axe1312
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yes, thats right
horse hates being groomed/rugged, touched etc
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axe1312
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yes, fine with others. still difficult for me, but my coach said to be less precise rn and focus on the bond, and getting myself in him in the right position before judging out straight lines and corners. and since then, our circles are much better, same with straight lines
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
Sadly nobody can say that without an endoscope check.
axe1312
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nope, not insured, we was hoping on doing it, but its too late to do it now, it wont be ready in time for the vet in 6 days will it?
axe1312
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hes not overweight, hes slightly under actually, he needs the sugar. we soak the hay as he is allergic to the dust, but dont do it for long as he drops his weight, especially as he cant have field time atm
axe1312
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omg, can the vet access him for ulcers before a scope?
Barton Bounty
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Its not sugar he needs , my horse has hardly any sugar in his diet whatsoever and is at an absolute perfect weight. I have a full ulcer friendly diet
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
If he's laminitic and not fat there will be another underlying cause such as Cushing's or EMS. He doesn't need extra sugar for weight but you could add something like micronised linseed for extra calories. Are his teeth in good order to help him chew the hay?
sbloom
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Sugar is not a good thing for any horse but especially not for laminitis and ulcers, if a horse needs more weight then look to structural carbs (hay, pellets etc), protein and oil.
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Surbie
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He honestly doesn't need the sugar. You could add a bit of linseed, micronised or oil.
As you're not soaking the hay long there will still be residual sugar in that. If he's not overweight and is laminitic then I would get tests done for Cushings and EMS as laminitis can be a symptom of these. I would also soak the hay for longer to get more of the sugar out while he is laminitic and talk to the vet about adlib soaked hay while he is in.
So far you've mentioned:
1. ulcer symptoms
2. neck pain
3. laminitis
I'm sorry you have this to deal with. He doesn't sound a very happy horse and I would be flagging all three of those areas to the vet.
littleshetland
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It does sound pain related. Try cutting out the sugar - it's a bit like giving blue smarties to toddlers! I agree with the other posters on here, and it does sound like it could be ulcer related.
You could try some Aloe Vera and see if that makes a difference, but there are a lot of 'ulcer' supplements that you could try and see if he becomes a bit more comfortable, this may indicate you need to get him scoped. I've found Hilton Herbs 'GastriX' to be quite good too. Your YO needs to understand that discomfort from ulcers manifests itself in all sorts of ways! Good luck and keep us posted!
You could try some Aloe Vera and see if that makes a difference, but there are a lot of 'ulcer' supplements that you could try and see if he becomes a bit more comfortable, this may indicate you need to get him scoped. I've found Hilton Herbs 'GastriX' to be quite good too. Your YO needs to understand that discomfort from ulcers manifests itself in all sorts of ways! Good luck and keep us posted!
Glitter's fun
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Did you take video on your phone of him moving? It would be very helpful to post that.
Edited to add.. or any video of him doing what he does? You must have loads! Most teenagers I know thrust photos of their horse at me constantly. You have been too restrained!
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Supercalifragilistic
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Grumpiness can be a symptom of cushings. If you have the vet coming out anyway it’s worth asking them to do the free test - the test itself is free, you are of course paying for the vet’s time, but if they are coming out anyway you might as well./..
sbloom
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Even a standing photo, a kind of conformation shot, from both sides, can be illuminating.
dottylottie
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most insurance companies have a 14 day period where they don’t cover anything bar external injuries, so absolutely insure him asap but anything dating before the start day of insurance period or inside that 14 day window won’t be covered. to be honest, if he was mine i’d get him in for a full work up because it seems he’s got a lot going on bless him, but i appreciate it’s not your decision and i don’t know many 15 year olds that can pull out a few thousand pounds from nowhere!
Pearlsacarolsinger
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How on earth would YO know that?
I had a mare who was extremely sensitive to touch, we eventually found that she was senditive/allergic to cereals. I would strip your horse's diet back to nothing but grass/hay and if that doesn't help within a couple if weeks, ask the vet to scope for ulcers.
axe1312
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yes teeth checked a weeks ago. the laminitis is concussive, due to farrier saying shoes are needed, he will be having shoes once recovered.
axe1312
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not neck pain, just unhappy to be touched, hes fine stretching it and eating having blankets lying on it, mane brushed, patted there. just hates being groomed nthere
axe1312
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he had only grass for a week or so, and thats when he dropped weight
axe1312
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he had a full vetting when purchased, is it nessessary for another one?
hes had the physio assess him, she said he had an ill fitting saddle before our one, and he was very tense
axe1312
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oh okay, ill ask about that. im going to ask about cushings, ulcers etc, and get her to check him over see what she thinks, shes there anyway like you said
axe1312
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yes, ill send it privatley too you as i dont want it open to the world
Tiddlypom
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IIRC he's 14 and has been through a number of homes previously?
To insure, you would have to declare his existing veterinary history with you. Existing conditions will be excluded. The insurance company will ask to see the vet history before accepting any claim.
If he is currently is being treated for active laminitis, which is potentially very serious indeed, then any lameness workups are out for now.
I'm afraid that I suspect that there are a number of interlinked potential causes for the discomfort which is leading to the grumpiness.
To insure, you would have to declare his existing veterinary history with you. Existing conditions will be excluded. The insurance company will ask to see the vet history before accepting any claim.
If he is currently is being treated for active laminitis, which is potentially very serious indeed, then any lameness workups are out for now.
I'm afraid that I suspect that there are a number of interlinked potential causes for the discomfort which is leading to the grumpiness.
sbloom
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You had him vetted before you bought him, he's developed issues since you bought him, so yes. You could experiment with diet for a couple of weeks as @Pearlsasinger has suggested, have a different bodyworker out who looks at movement patterns...but beyond that yes, you'll need a vet. Is he not under a vet for the laminitis?
axe1312
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i cant send it, only photos
axe1312
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yes, shes out again in 6 days. i didnt mention anything as i so worried about his lameness, but sinse the bute, i tried grooming seeing if he was better, which if anything he is worse.
ycbm
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For the most part the neck bone isn't near the mane, it's at the bottom. None of this rules out nerve pain in the neck.
Arzada
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My head is spinning, there is so much going on with your horse OP. I'd like to suggest making a detailed account of the issues ahead of the vet's visit and go through it thoroughly with her. This way you will cover everything. And make notes of the vet's answers. It's so easy to come away with an overwhelming amount of information only to later wonder what was said about something. Will you have someone with you who can take notes while you can focus on the conversation?
Landcruiser
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It sounds like you are out of your depth with this horse and his issues. Well done for reaching out here, but you need someone on the ground. A vet is the best choice. Your YO does not know whether there are ulcers present. It definitely sounds like ulcers, and the ONLY way to be sure is a scope. Use google to research what this involves. (My young mare was "angry" and cosntantly trying to bite or lifting a leg/kicking, swishing her tail. She scoped for grade 2 ulcers and after treatment is a different horse.
The "laminitis." How is this presenting itself? Footiness? Laminitis stance? pulses, weight shifting? Depending on severity this can be a veterinary emergency. If it's concussive, adding shoes will INCREASE concussion and at best mask any footiness that's going on (which you need to know about to address).
Horslyx licks are virtually pure molasses and are the devil's work. ONLY good as a training reward, in strictly small amounts. Throw it in the bin.
Without insurance, you are going to need deep pockets to treat this horse, and there's no way around that I'm sorry to tell you.
The "laminitis." How is this presenting itself? Footiness? Laminitis stance? pulses, weight shifting? Depending on severity this can be a veterinary emergency. If it's concussive, adding shoes will INCREASE concussion and at best mask any footiness that's going on (which you need to know about to address).
Horslyx licks are virtually pure molasses and are the devil's work. ONLY good as a training reward, in strictly small amounts. Throw it in the bin.
Without insurance, you are going to need deep pockets to treat this horse, and there's no way around that I'm sorry to tell you.
axe1312
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pulsing in back legs, stiff back legs, not wanting to move, lame on hard floor. the vet said it is because he is flat footed, and the concussion caused laminitis. what should i do then? hoof boots for hacking?
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