Landcruiser
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Stop hacking, stop all work until you get to the bottom of things. You don't ride a sore unhappy horse
horse hates being groomed/rugged, touched etc
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Landcruiser
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I have a strange feeling about all this...
axe1312
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no, no, no. i ment in the future, is it better to have shoes on like the vet and farrier said, or use hoof boots or somethingStop hacking, stop all work until you get to the bottom of things. You don't ride a sore unhappy horse
axe1312
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same, ive known something isnt right from the first week, no one believed me, so i ignored it. but now that hes on bute, and ive found out it doesnt help, i realised it cant be sore body. so it must be something else. what are you thinking, ulcers? its just that he doesnt show any signs of ulcers apart from not wanting to be touched
Horseysheepy
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Not wanting to be touched can be a sign of ulcers.
He may have been neck twitched in the past, hence not liking you touch his neck, or resentment of having mane pulled.
He may have been neck twitched in the past, hence not liking you touch his neck, or resentment of having mane pulled.
ycbm
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It CAN be a sore body. Bute does not help much, if at all, with pain originating from nerves. Common sites would be anywhere along the spine, most common the neck.
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axe1312
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could an ill fitting saddle cause this. can surely ulcers dont affect the neck and back?
Surbie
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If you have stomach pain and are made to carry an ill-fitting rucksack for any length of time, you will brace your body to compensate. That can make your back and neck sore. It's a secondary issue caused by the stomach pain.
Am not saying that this is what has happened, more that this is how you might have this combination. Again, you need the vet, not posters on the internet though we can help with things to ask or look at.
sbloom
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I posted higher up about how things move through the body, pain in one area can quickly become referred around the body - for starters fascia, the pale stringy bit around the fibres in your steak, is effectively ONE organ, so a tension in one part will pull directly across the body.
Yes, an ill fitting saddle can cause all sorts of issues. Equally poor posture can cause it to almost be impossible to fit a saddle correctly, and they will get more sore in a "nearly" saddle; if you are wonky you can make your horse sore, if you're sat a long way behind your feet, and way back on the horse's back you'll be sat on one of the really big muscles that stabilises the pelvis and that causes postural issues....it's all interlinked and often finding the absolute original issue isn't possible. Equally it's not always necessary at all, just make sure you're working through all the issues that are found, and be prepared as you wind one back that another will show up.
In case you hadn't guessed I'm a saddle fitter, 14 years experience. An example of these linkages is that if you fit a better fitting saddle to a horse with a low grade undiagnosed movement issue, the horse will move better and overload the problem area, even with the help of a bodyworker (how many people know that a horse moving better needs a bodyworker out more regularly as they may need help with the new muscle engagement for a while). So what looks like a saddle issue, ie the lameness came on since the new saddle, and there may be accompanying pain under the saddle, is absolutely nothing to do with the saddle.
You're in a sport/activity/passion area that has few hard and fast answers and we are all learning, all the time. Breathe, take your time, you don't need to rush to answer all of us, but DO read, and read around what we suggest. Start to get a feel of who the knowledgeable posters on here are, which websites or FB pages offer really useful, progressive information. So much of the industry is stuck in the dark ages and will churn out easy simple answers (eg inject the bit that hurts) without the "big picture" of long term health and soundness.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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He really does NOT need sugar. He needs more fibre if he will eat it. Your vet should have explained that if your horse has had laminitis. YO should also know not to give a laminitic sugar.
Hormonal Filly
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Sounds exactly like my mare years ago, she had grade 4 (highest grade) ulcers. She hated being touched anywhere but didn’t have ‘all’ of the signs.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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Me too
Surely no YO could be so incompetent.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
A million and one things could be causing the problems you are having with your horse. I think you need some expert help on the ground, not a forum.
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TPO
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Oh they could, that much I'm fully on board with!
OP you need to get an equine vet out now to evaluate your horse. What you are relaying on here doesn't add up and that's probably partially due to your lack of experience & knowledge (no offence).
You need a good equine vet who will explain properly to you what they are doing, why they are doing it, what they find, what that means and how you manage or treat whatever that is. Write it down at the time, it's hard to take in so much information.
If you feel comfortable giving your general area I'm sure someone can recommend a good vet.
Tell the vets that you aren't insured and money is an issue. That will help them target what they are looking at/for initially.
I recently had a horse in hospital and a scope was "only" £246. Teaching hospitals are usually not for profit and they do go canny if you're not insured. Perhaps there's a teaching hospital near you where horse can get a work up and scope for less than having a vet out (including transport hire).
I know every horse mad kid wants a horse and parents want happy kids but this is why you need good support around you.
If what you've posted is true your YO is not that person. Perhaps look for assisted livery at a rising school or professional yard where there is help available for you
Pearlsacarolsinger
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If he still has laminitis, he is likely to be grumpy to the touch. Would you want someone brushing your hair, if you had toothache? For goodness sake don't give him sugary feed while treating for laminitis
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axe1312
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im in kings lynn
sbloom
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You may not get anyone responding to this post who is near to you with a recommendation, post in the regional board for East Anglia and you'll get a better response I expect.
Glitter's fun
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There is no harm to come from posting videos and photos on the open forum. People do it all the time . You can scribble over your face or choose one with you standing at the edge and crop yourself out. There are very knowledgeable people on here who could help you a lot by looking at them.
w1bbler
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You would be surprised how incompetent some yo 's are. The reason I left my last yard (13 years ago) was the yard owner announcing that worms don't kill horses. This conversation was sparked as I had done a worm count due to concerns about the yards worming programme/ land management. My horse came back with a 6000 epg count
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
On his passport is there a full history of his owners from when he was born ,or is it a recently done passport?
Landcruiser
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Can you post a full body picture of this horse OP? What's his name?
Glitter's fun
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Did you say he was vetted before you bought him, or not, I forgot.
Surbie
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Post #50 - yes
SantaVera
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A laminitic should not be fed any sugar,it needs hay,less than 10%sugar and starch combined. If extra calories are needed for weight gain then an oil based product such as milled linseed fed in an appropriate chaff eg Spillers happy hoof. Do not give any molasses based licks. Ring the feed companies for advice or read up on the laminitis sites on the internet.
Melody Grey
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I need to borrow your yard owner- could save me a fortune on scoping!
Joking aside, we really can’t tell without scoping.
Melody Grey
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Someone may already have said this (haven’t read all the replies). Remove the lick- many of them are molasses based and the sugar really irritates ulcers.
Might be worth going back to basics of just hay and minimal grass in the short term- what you’re describing could potentially be reactivity/ ulcers from a food intolerance.
Melody Grey
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And assuming no previous history of ulcers.
Bobthecob15
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Sugar is also terrible for ulcers!
If it was ulcers you'd need at least 2 scopes, one to diagnose and another after first course of treatment...so double the cost. The medication is the killer which brings it to over 2k. You need to insure him ASAP as it sounds like you are going to have a LOT of vets bills with this poor boy
Many yard owners are totally incompetent! Welcome to the world of horses, everyone thinks they are an expert ...most totally unqualified! I'd also be looking to move yards!
If it was ulcers you'd need at least 2 scopes, one to diagnose and another after first course of treatment...so double the cost. The medication is the killer which brings it to over 2k. You need to insure him ASAP as it sounds like you are going to have a LOT of vets bills with this poor boy
Many yard owners are totally incompetent! Welcome to the world of horses, everyone thinks they are an expert ...most totally unqualified! I'd also be looking to move yards!
Goldenstar
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This sounds like fascia pain .
The horse may of course have other things as well .
The horse may of course have other things as well .
Sossigpoker
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Mine didn't buck and wasn't girthy either but had ulcers. He was also very defensive and didn't want to be touched
You need to get your vet out and not listen to silly people who think they can rule out a serious medical condition based on their opinion.
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