Hound 'culling'

Our current beagle who is a rescue is also very similar looking to Candy (lot thinner though lol) and she has hers, but isn't from a hunt kennels and I often wish for the same.

I am not opposed to dew claw removal if done correctly and if it is necessary for the sake of the dog.
 
He catches everything, everyone and anything with his so we're considering it. An expensive procedure in which he has to be put out but perhaps a neccessary evil. No matter how much we file it, it still catches, hurts him and hurts everyone else too - and they don't get worn down through walks as he doesn't walk on them.
 
You declare in your first post on the forum that he is a cross! You then post pictures and ask people to suggest what breed he is crossed with and now you are saying he is pure. I don't believe from all you have said and having looked through the pictures that he is pure foxhound at all! But it shouldn't matter as long as you are happy with him.
 
I never said anywhere he's pure...

It's pretty impossible to know with a rescue who doesn't have a good background. I'm not debating whether he is a cross or not when I can't know for sure and neither can you. All I said was many individuals who would declare themselves experts think he's a full Foxhound. I think he is indeed a cross, but his nature is hound through and through. It's easier on us to say he's a cross, you wouldn't believe the rubbish and even abuse we get from people when we say he's a Foxhound.
 
alfiesowner, I seem to remember that you may have posted a pic of your dog on here previously. I can't find it, so if you have, would you repost it? Ta!

Alec.
 
Alec, of course. Originally posted them in my intro but happy to share a few here too. Always interested to hear peoples thoughts.

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What a handsome chap. He doesn't look like a foxhound to me - too small and light, but could be a harrier? It is hard to tell how big he is from the pictures.
I am intrigued to know where foxhound welfare get their hounds from, I cannot imagine hunts supporting them? Perhaps they rehome those show bred foxhuonds that you see at Crufts? (Genuine question). Alfie is very handsome indeed. He doesn't look like a lab cross, IMO. Still, breed is irrelevant as long as you love him.
 
I thought the "show" foxhounds were generally hunting rejects?

And one question I've always wondered... Is it possible to register any foxhound with the kennel club? After all it's a recognised breed, and their pedigree is certainly recorded!
 
The "show" foxhounds are not something I know anything about, but I do know that the huntsman of the North Staffs showed one there a couple of years ago, and that certainly wasn't a reject!
 
charterline said:
I thought the "show" foxhounds were generally hunting rejects?

And one question I've always wondered... Is it possible to register any foxhound with the kennel club? After all it's a recognised breed, and their pedigree is certainly recorded!
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I had a parallel argument with the KC years ago over the importation of gundogs registered with The American Field Dog Stud Book (an international working gundog registry) and then registering the dogs with the UK KC. The KC insisted that they must first have their pedigrees authenticated by the indigenous kennel club which, for example, might be the American Kennel Club. Once authenticated, the AKC would issue an Export Pedigree. The UK KC would then register the dog on the strength of this Export Pedigree. But AKC (for example) would only autenticate the pedigrees of certain 'recognised registries' within their own jurisdiction.

A bit of nonsense really as the AFDSB was in existence long before the AKC.

I imported a dog from South Africa that was registered with the AFDSB and also the South African Field Trial Club. Although the dog was not registered with The South African Kennel Club, they changed their rules to 'recognise' the SAFTC and subsequently issued an Export Certificate that was acceptable to the UK KC. Same dog, just more money in fees to the KC and it's affiliates.

And if you can follow that load of bureaucratic nonsense, you deserve a medal. The object is not to ensure the purity of pedigree breeding (it is easy enough to fiddle pedigrees) but to maintain a monopoly of canine registrations world-wide....and yet another reason I hate the KC!!!

So, yes, I think it is possible to apply to have a foxhound registered with the KC as the foxhound association would issue a certificate of pedigree that would then be accepted by the KC. By why on earth would anyone bother? I wonder how many working sheepdogs registered with the International Sheep Dog Association are also registered with the KC? So, yes, a KC registered foxhound is more than likely to be a reject and I don't know many shepherds who would seek out a KC registered sheepdog unless they were mentally challenged!
 
alfiesowner said:
Alec, of course. ……..
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He is indeed a handsome dog and he certainly fills the eye, but I'd be most surprised if he was a foxhound from a registered pack by lineage. Just why, I'm not sure, but then I'm not a judge of hounds!

None the less, he's your pride and joy, and THAT'S all that matters!

Thanks for the pics.

Alec.
 
Dry Rot said:
…….. , I think it is possible to apply to have a foxhound registered with the KC as the foxhound association would issue a certificate of pedigree that would then be accepted by the KC. …….. !
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By the 'foxhounds association', do you mean the MFHA? I would be staggered to hear that any MFHA Member would supply the necessary documentation to allow a KC acceptance. Obviously someone who has no sense of common-sense has and at some point, because they're now shown under KC rules, but the responsible would be horrified, considering the mess that the KC and the attendant show societies have made of just about every registered breed of dog.

Alec.
 
Personally, I'd have to admit that I'm not keen on this idea. Too old or too slow is no reason in my eyes to PTS something, albeit hound or horse or other.

If they are going to breed the hounds to do that job in which they'd never be happy as a pet afterwards, they should atleast dedicate some sort of program or place for the unwanted hounds.

Please don't attack me for this, it's just my opinion. I'm very open to others views too however.
 
Clodagh said:
What a handsome chap. He doesn't look like a foxhound to me - too small and light, but could be a harrier? It is hard to tell how big he is from the pictures.
I am intrigued to know where foxhound welfare get their hounds from, I cannot imagine hunts supporting them? Perhaps they rehome those show bred foxhuonds that you see at Crufts? (Genuine question). Alfie is very handsome indeed. He doesn't look like a lab cross, IMO. Still, breed is irrelevant as long as you love him.
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He's not a Harrier as he's too large and too heavy. 29 inches to the withers and 30kg, he's also still filling out (his chest is much bigger now than in some of those photos). We thought Harrier too for a while but he's just too big. I completely agree he isn't crossed with lab - I've owned labs as well as beagles previously and he has no lab characteristics whatsoever! You're quite right - breed is irrelevant when you love the dog but it is fascinating! He certainly makes for a good debate!

Foxhound welfare are sometimes ex pack (but very young ex pack), some ex show and then some crosses who, somehow filter into breeding, irresponsible breeders sell the puppies as something else and they're given up (which happened with Alfie - but we didn't get him from foxhound welfare). A minority of hunts seem to support them but I don't think most do.
 
Alec Swan said:
He is indeed a handsome dog and he certainly fills the eye, but I'd be most surprised if he was a foxhound from a registered pack by lineage. Just why, I'm not sure, but then I'm not a judge of hounds!

None the less, he's your pride and joy, and THAT'S all that matters!

Thanks for the pics.

Alec.
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It would be very surprising - I've never heard of foxhounds being bred for any other purpose than the hunt or sometimes show.

He most certainly fills the eye - makes up for the mess he leaves in his wake! He is a challenge but not dislike any rescue or high energy breed really.

There does seem to be a lot of hounds, particular Harriers, foxhounds and trail hounds, recently in rescues though so I can't help but wonder where they are coming from. I've never seen them in rescues before really until this year.
 
Haz:) I have to say I agree. Something doesn't sit right with me, breeding a dog for a purpose that ends with it getting shot when it's done. 7 or 8 years old is still a young dog. But for me it's the dogs put down very young because they don't cut it, that really doesn't sit right. A lot could be done with them in way of rehoming but instead they're PTS. A waste.
 
alfiesowner said:
Haz:) I have to say I agree. Something doesn't sit right with me, breeding a dog for a purpose that ends with it getting shot when it's done. 7 or 8 years old is still a young dog. But for me it's the dogs put down very young because they don't cut it, that really doesn't sit right. A lot could be done with them in way of rehoming but instead they're PTS. A waste.
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The problem arises when we consider the dog itself, and though they'd hardly have ambition, they are certainly of only one mindset and that's the purpose for which they're bred. To pass on such a dog (hound) and to expect the animal itself to understand the good intentions of the adopter, simply doesn't work.

When the work-bred dog which has been kennelled for all it's life and has been a part of an involved pack existence, is passed over to a pet home, then generally the animal would be assured a life of frustration and misery. Were it otherwise, then hounds would be gifted and away from their packs, it isn't and so that's why they aren't. I wish that it was otherwise.

Alec.
 
charterline said:
Please tell me how on earth you would rehome an 8 year old foxhound as a pet?
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I didn't say you could. Just that I find it an uncomfortable thought for them to be PTS half way through their lives but I can understand why it's done. You can dislike something but still understand it, similar to how I imagine those in the hunt feel.
 
Dry Rot said:
So, yes, I think it is possible to apply to have a foxhound registered with the KC as the foxhound association would issue a certificate of pedigree that would then be accepted by the KC. By why on earth would anyone bother? I wonder how many working sheepdogs registered with the International Sheep Dog Association are also registered with the KC? So, yes, a KC registered foxhound is more than likely to be a reject and I don't know many shepherds who would seek out a KC registered sheepdog unless they were mentally challenged!
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Took 5 months but friends foxhound is now KC registered. Because she wanted to show and there are classes available. End of.
 
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