HOW DO MY HORSES HOOVES LOOK ??

[Shadow the Reindeer]

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/what-is-laminitis-founder-how-to-treat-26089.html

 

[mariebx19]

Do you think it's okay to leave young horses with their feet curled up just because other people are doing it?! So how can you dare to have the ordasity to condone what you're putting these poor ponies through because someone else has done it!!!!! .

take some god damn responsibility and realise how bad the situation is!!!!!!!

i didnt say it was ok I WOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT THEM TO GET INTO THAT STATE and i do take responsibility that is why in the very first post i wrote 'i know they are overgrown but will be trimmed this month..

 

[TPO]

i have never injured my pets,never left them in pain so from these questions i dont know how anybody would get the idea from that they are not cared for or in the wrong hands or whatever

and yes they are FAR to easy to get

LOOK AT YOUR HORSES

< head -bang-wall>

 

[mariebx19]

Why post on here asking us to diagnose if your horse has strangles... If you go to your vet for such things surely such an idiotic post would not have been necessary...

because i wasnt sure if it was a cold or strangles..they are quite similar

Finally, my gasket has blown... You invited people to contact the SSPCA, well I did, this morning and they agree with my concerns...they are investigating and I am sure they will support you to get the right care administered to your horses because you are clearly failing in my opinion, but now its there opinion that count.[/QUOTE]

oh yeah i said i would give an adress didnt i .....well tomorrow i will speak to my sister,to see if she would be willing to give it as well,or we can phone them ourself annonomously and take pics of them with our animals to prove they came,because i dont want to give the adress out and they go missing 'because they are so neglected'

 

[mariebx19]

Couldn't bite my tongue any longer guys.

nobodys asking you to hold back,just say what you feel

 

[mariebx19]

This thread is stupid....


everyone one has advised you on your horses mariebx19

i know they have and i have took it all in but the criticism i wont put up with-THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TONIGHT..THE FARRIER HAS BEEN ARRANGED AND VET WILL BE PHONED AFTER THE WEEKEND

if you want people to say your horses feet are fine and you don't need a vet then it won't happen everyobe would be lieing if they said that

i know myself they need trimmed i didnt say they were perfect...

 

[TPO]

You have let them get into a state. Your horses feet are a state. A trim by a farrier will not fix them. A good farrier will NOT touch those feet without a vets involvement. You need a vet. You need help urgently. Your horses need care from someone who knows about horses.

What are your parents/guardians saying about this? Can you show them this thread?

 

[mariebx19]

the caps lock is really starting to p*** me off now....
so im use caps lock...only because i am typing so much and cant be bothered turning it off it is only typing,trust me i dont mean anything by using caps..
your horses need help if your so sure your right. get a vet and if your right the vet will say they are as good as you say they are. your making yourself look like a fool now. all i see in your posts is you trying to explain why you do have knowledge you are you trying to convince us or yourself ?

ok,although im not saying i do have loads of knowledge about horses health conditions and i have also said they are going to be seen to and they arent great,so ok

 

[Queenbee]

I am going to make a bit of a bold statement...

1 op seems to be incredibly defensive and unwilling to take criticism, suggestions, opinions or tips well, op is also of the view that there is nothing wrong with the horses and they are receiving the best possible care.

2 op has already hinted at the fact that she has other personal issues "I wouldn't be here if it were not for them"

3. The welfare office (well sspca) already have photos, location, photos of location and an officer investigating. I'm bold enough to stand up and say I did this, and op I truly hope that it is not as bad as the pics suggest, hopefully this will be the outcome I hear when they update me later this week.

I suspect that for anyone to bother commenting or getting drawn into further discourse with op is pointless.

 

[TPO]

The smug little smiley faces after you joke about your neglected horses are not doing you any favours.

The pictures you posted are of neglected horses.

 

[mariebx19]

You owe a lot to them? Enough not to let them suffer? I wish horses could scream when they were in pain etc because there'd be a lot less suffering but I guess because they can't physically tell us...maybe it's easy for you to just ignore and pretend it's not happening?
yeah it would be ALOT easier,they are not suffering,yes there feet need trimmed i know that and i am not ignoring or pretending it isnt happening.

You took on a yearling when you find leading scary?!..
the yearling is great to lead and is already halter broken

Yes your animals are at risk with you
no ,they really arent

Please OP, just give them to someone who knows what they're on about..surely you can do that for your horses sake? [/QUOTE
sorry but i would never give an animal away i know it is soo easy for some but i brought him to me,they have gotten attached so i am nt going to just give them away.i will get help with them

 

[mariebx19]

You have said the lady who helps you runs the yard that you used to keep the horses at? the same yard where there are horses with curling feet? The authorities should be visiting that yard too as that is cruelty and this is not a lady you should be turning to for adviseit isnt the same lady

 

[mariebx19]

I am going to make a bit of a bold statement...

1 op seems to be incredibly defensive and unwilling to take criticism, suggestions, opinions or tips well, op is also of the view that there is nothing wrong with the horses and they are receiving the best possible care.

i am willing to take suggestions/opinions/tips but not about my other pets i have been saying from the very 1st post that they arent good 'why else would i have posted these pics' and there is nothing more i can do until the vet and farrier come out.

2 op has already hinted at the fact that she has other personal issues "I wouldn't be here if it were not for them"

3. The welfare office (well sspca) already have photos, location, photos of location and an officer investigating. I'm bold enough to stand up and say I did this, and op I truly hope that it is not as bad as the pics suggest, hopefully this will be the outcome I hear when they update me later this week.
i will give you an adress tomorrow probably as long as you get back to me about what time they will be there because my horses are wary of other people and i would like to be there.and i will update you all myself anyway.

I suspect that for anyone to bother commenting or getting drawn into further discourse with op is pointless.

yeah it is because i have already listened to it all and i have said something is being done

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

What's his history? Do you know who bred him? His parentage? Could this actually be the result of inbreeding?
MarieBx19 - the 'hair' mixed in with what should be the sole of his foot.. developmental issue - NOT YOUR FAULT - nature can be so cruel some times, it maybe just his foot never grew a proper sole, and what you see is the aftermath. What you can do for him though, is manage this problem and give him the life he so much deserves.
You need to take these pictures and email them to your vet asap, or we'll just keep guessing.
Need I remind you.. the saying goes "No foot, no horse"

 

[PapaFrita]

OP.... The feet do not look good. However, they are not very good photos so I, personally, can not make further comment other than to agree that you should get a vet to look at your horses and give a full and proper appraisal. It is the responsible thing to do and MUCH more reliable than asking on a forum.

 

[mariebx19]

well i know the person who bought him as a young foal (not personally) but i think he knows the breeder.All i know is his dam was a 14.3hh piebald heavy cob and his sire was a 15hh blagdon heavy cob.he was born around april /may 2012,and he was late being taken off the mare.after christmas.i know,the farrier has been arranged and the vet will be called on monday because in the pics it does look like his pedal bone is protruding but could it be laminitis if he never stands like he is laminitic ???

 

[MasterBenedict]

OP - I am to going to voice my opinions on these photos as I totally agree with all the other posters on here and at the risk of sounding like a a broken record....

BUT - here I have tried to explain why everyone is so concerned in case you don't understand. Yes, the feet are horribly overgrown and mis-shaped but the most worrying thing I have tried to explain below -

Orange square - I really hope that this is some sort of plant matter but looks like it could be some sort of growth on the sole of the foot - often seen in new born foals but disappears very quickly. Shouldn't be there.

Green circle - could possibly be the way the sole has grown but worried this could be the actual foot (pedal) bone coming down through the sole of the hoof, like this -

As you have already admitted that you are not the most knowledgeable horse person PLEASE get help from a professional, namely a VET ASAP!!!

If money doesn't allow, please think about why you have these horses. They need more care and attention and knowledge than what you have at this point. The only one upset at them going would be you - horses don't see the world the way we do.


Please get the care they need and keep us all updated. Would love to see a happy outcome from this but somehow doubting it. Please prove me wrong.




Edited to say just seen you last post, written at same time I was writing mine. So you do know about the pedal bone rotating through the sole and your admit that the pics look like this could (not definitely) be the case and yet you still didn't think to get vet out until suggested on this forum?!

I despair...

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

If I was in your shoes, i'd probably not have taken him on. You've got a hell of a lot on your plate with this poor boy, and a lot to worry about.
I know you wanted to give him a better life and get him better, why else would you have bought him? Sometimes though, we have to learn to let our head rule, it's what limits damage control.
I've seen so many first time and inexperienced owners end up in similar situations with pity buys, and the heart break that goes hand in hand with it. What ever happens on Monday, you'll come out of this with your eyes wide open and having learnt a hell of a lot from the time you spend with the vet. Please remember, some of the people who are members on this forum care passionately about their horses, and hate to see or even think a horse is unnecessarily suffering. You will get a lot of angry and passionate posts, but that's only because they care so much, about this pony. After all, at the end of the day, we're all in this because we want a horse in our lives.
Let me know how things go on Monday, i'm sending healing vibes for your boy xx

 

[Fools Motto]

As we are all (generally) a helpful bunch, I don't know where you are, but surely there has to be someone from here not that far from you, who wouldn't mind seeing you and the horses, and offering free advice. There is a lot of learning to do, and it comes easier to some than others. Often, a ''live prod'' of knowledge goes a very very long way.
I, for one would be very willing to lend you a helping hand, and getting things back on track, but I fear I'm unlikely to be from your neck of the woods.

But, the first port of call is to get a vet to assess youngsters feet, and by the looks of it, his coat too. I would have thought, by now he should be pretty sleek and shiny, whether or not he has been groomed. His long coat to me, says more is going on than just his feet. I realise he is a poor rescue and it is early days for you??

 

[mariebx19]

if it was laminitis would he not stand in a laminitic stance ???

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

I can say this much, your 5 year old just needs a trim, bruising is concussive and will grow out.
Yearling, be prepared for heartbreak, I so hope I'm wrong

 

[mariebx19]

with phoenix,if it is lack of development in his sole like you said,what could be done about it ?? what would be the outcome ??

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

with phoenix,if it is lack of development in his sole like you said,what could be done about it ?? what would be the outcome ??

Only the vet can tell you, i'm no expert, but i've seen enough horses feet over the years to say there's something very wrong
Has he any insurance in place?

 

[mariebx19]

no he hasnt.

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

I think you need someone with you when the vet comes out, preferably someone knowledgeable and experienced, don't go it alone, you need support

 

[devonlass]

I cannot believe how OTT this thread has become,seriously what is going on here,some sort of mass hysteria or delusion??

They are overgrown hooves on a youngster until proven different.I have seen far worse,even on this forum!!

The 'protrusion' was only seen on one pic,and could be anything including normal sole material,debris or just a bad camera shot!!

At least try and establish what exactly you are charging the girl with before hanging her eh

Yes, and what causes such bruising, or put another way... what can cause such bruising? Possibly the same thing that's causing the whacking great big protrusion from the yearlings hooves! So yes, I am for real! Bruising on its own, not a problem, bruising taken in context of pictures, concerns me greatly and that is an understatement!

I may be imagining things its not really my field,

Not really your field,and yet you have had enough to say and have called the RSPCA?? Gosh I'd hate to see you when you are discussing something that IS your field

BTW am not certain but i think you'll find OP's horse with the bruise was not the same horse as with the alleged protrusion,so unsure where your logic was coming from there.

Even *if* you are correct in your assumptions and there is a problem,you have completely over reacted and I just hope your hot headed and arrogant actions haven't caused the OP a whole lot of hassle and upset.

Tbh mariebx19, I don't think I'm seeing what others are and I don't think we can say what is going on from the photos. The sole (and frog) may well just be over grown and trying to shed in sheets/layers. I just see over grown hooves mainly and think a hoof care professional eye in the flesh is needed along with a trim and/or time on an abrasive surface providing the horse is comfortable.

In my understanding youngsters hooves need regular trimming if on grass as they probably wont get enough wear to keep them in check.

You're not the only one not seeing what the others are,I'm not either.

Your observations seem bang on to me and I was thinking along much the same lines.

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

I'm so sorry I can't offer you hope, just tell you what I see. Who's your farrier? Have you sent him any pictures? I assume you have full internet access, find your vet, find an expert in this field and send them your pictures of your youngsters feet.

 

[Shadow the Reindeer]

Devonlass, she needs guidance, i'm only going by what I can see. I've admitted i'm no expert, and that she needs someone who knows the business with her when the vet comes. Some of the comments have been harsh, you really can't bash a computer.
Like I said, I hope i'm wrong, i've spent ages just looking at the pictures and trying to find comparisons to put her at ease, but i'm struggling to. If she needs someone to talk to, i'm here, we're here.

Marie, where are you based?

 

[mariebx19]

I cannot believe how OTT this thread has become,seriously what is going on here,some sort of mass hysteria or delusion??

They are overgrown hooves on a youngster until proven different.I have seen far worse,even on this forum!!

The 'protrusion' was only seen on one pic,and could be anything including normal sole material,debris or just a bad camera shot!!

At least try and establish what exactly you are charging the girl with before hanging her eh




Not really your field,and yet you have had enough to say and have called the RSPCA?? Gosh I'd hate to see you when you are discussing something that IS your field

BTW am not certain but i think you'll find OP's horse with the bruise was not the same horse as with the alleged protrusion,so unsure where your logic was coming from there.

Even *if* you are correct in your assumptions and there is a problem,you have completely over reacted and I just hope your hot headed and arrogant actions haven't caused the OP a whole lot of hassle and upset.



You're not the only one not seeing what the others are,I'm not either.

Your observations seem bang on to me and I was thinking along much the same lines.

thank you.i actually started crying when i read this post it's just so overwhelming when everyone is attacking you through the internet when all i am doing is asking for help and advise, and i know their feet are far from perfect and i did write that in the very first post,i hope a visit from the farrier is all that is needed

 

[mariebx19]

well when it feels like evryone is attacking you,obviously i know i asked for opinions but that is all i asked for, not abuse,you could drive people away that need help and support so maybe ease up a little on people asking for your help and advise and rather than criticise them help them to help their pets.