HOW DO MY HORSES HOOVES LOOK ??

[Shadow the Reindeer]

thank you.i actually started crying when i read this post it's just so overwhelming when everyone is attacking you through the internet when all i am doing is asking for help and advise, and i know their feet are far from perfect and i did write that in the very first post,i hope a visit from the farrier is all that is needed

I know it can seem that way.. but in my eyes, not only do I care about the horse, but I care about the owner.. there are two sides to every story. I think you're very caring, but need helpful guidance.. I've seen on here how people can be ripped to shreds..

 

[Alyth]

Thank goodness for some calmer responses!! I haven't commented as I am no expert - and the bits of herbage in the photos made it difficult to see what is really happening. But I seriously doubt if a yearling would have rotated pedal bone....good luck, I hope you find a knowledgeable supportive helper, it is too easy to make snap judgements on internet photos.

 

[mariebx19]

thanks,i am clearly no expert either but i couldnt acctually imagine it being that either because he looks sound.i just cant wait till the farrier comes now and hopefully it is just trimming that needs done

 

[Queenbee]

I cannot believe how OTT this thread has become,seriously what is going on here,some sort of mass hysteria or delusion??

They are overgrown hooves on a youngster until proven different.I have seen far worse,even on this forum!!

The 'protrusion' was only seen on one pic,and could be anything including normal sole material,debris or just a bad camera shot!!

At least try and establish what exactly you are charging the girl with before hanging her eh




Not really your field,and yet you have had enough to say and have called the RSPCA?? Gosh I'd hate to see you when you are discussing something that IS your field

BTW am not certain but i think you'll find OP's horse with the bruise was not the same horse as with the alleged protrusion,so unsure where your logic was coming from there.

Even *if* you are correct in your assumptions and there is a problem,you have completely over reacted and I just hope your hot headed and arrogant actions haven't caused the OP a whole lot of hassle and upset.



You're not the only one not seeing what the others are,I'm not either.

Your observations seem bang on to me and I was thinking along much the same lines.

DL there are actually multiple pics of the protrusion... On the op's photo bucket account, really doesn't seem like debris to me

No, didn't call the RSPCA, called the SSPCA, and then emailed them pictures and links... They then made a photo based assessment that yes, this was concerning and did warrant further investigation... If only to get some sort of support in place to the op...

I would do it again in a heart beat if I had concerns... It's the second time in my life I've made such a call, once was locally, and now this... I don't have to do the investigating... I have concerns, I passed these concerns onto the SSPCA, you have missed the bit where I said I hope I am in the wrong with regards to seriousness, I would far rather overreact and call SSPCA than under react and not call them and have a pony suffer.

I'm fully aware that the bruise is on the five year olds hooves not the yearlings hooves, they are still overgrown and under run, the bruise could be any number of things, MOST of which would be innocent and harmless causes. it seemed to me that the op had not been aware of it to begin with.

I personally think it is you on this who is in the wrong here, you seem to think there is nothing wrong, and berate me for having an opinion that most of the others have on here, wnd for raising concerns with the appropriate organisations so it can be investigated in person. I personally couldn't care less what your opinion is of me doing this, because I couldn't in all good conscience not do it. And even if I hadn't.... It wouldn't have made any difference because I was not the only person who contacted them about these horse.

Just because you would walk by the op's field and leave her to her own devices doesn't mean we would and doesn't mean we should!

 

[mariebx19]

it really doesnt bother me that you have called them because they are not neglected animals,i didnt intend on them to suffer,i honestly thought when a horses hoof was overgrown was when the hoof started to curl at the edges,so it is the lack of knowledge not the intention of having my horses sore/uncomfortable.plus i will probably be giving you the field and my home address today.devonlass didnt say there was nothing wrong with them

 

[MaHats]

Oh dear OP, I’m afraid saying “i honestly thought when a horses hoof was overgrown was when the hoof started to curl at the edges” really does suggest that you don’t have enough knowledge at the moment.

Really you should have their hooves dealt with by a Farrier every 6 to 8 weeks; but that’s for everything being fine, which tbh, from the pictures, something is not right.

Given what I understand to be your circumstances, and the uncertainty over the pictures, get the Farrier as soon as you can and he will tell you how to proceed. If he tells you to get a vet and you cannot afford it; call someone like WHW, or BHS, (I’m sure someone can tell you better who you should call). Tell them your problem and that you cannot provide the vet care required and ask for help, don’t wait for them to come knocking on your door. But more importantly, don’t wait because your pony could suffer.

And make sure the Farrier you have is a darn good one, probably too late to change now, and to delay further would not be good, but ask for recommendations.

If it turns out to be something that you could manage yourself, advertise for a sharer. I’m sure there are people out there with experience but no horse, be honest, and get some help from someone who has experience and wants to help, and someone you like and are happy to share your horses with.

Hoof and health issues aside, you will need help to bring on the older one; and youngsters do need knowledgeable people if they are to go on being happy and healthy horses.

At the very least, you will need some advice on how to manage those horses on that grass.

If you get it right, you will save yourself allot of heartache, money, and most importantly you need happy healthy horses.

Please let me give you an example of how dangerous lack of knowledge can be.

I didn’t know that chocolate was poisonous to dogs; don’t know why I didn’t know, I just didn’t. After a particularly exhausting day, I settled down for a duvet evening with a large glass of wine, a large box of chocolates and my little dog. Each time I came across a chocolate I didn’t much like, I gave it to him. What a lovely evening, sharing a cuddle and my box of chocolates with my dog. I didn’t know that effectively, I was killing him. Luck was certainly on my side, because in the morning I found that each time I gave him a chocolate he took it from me, took it to the bottom of the bed and spat it out. So in the morning I had melted chocolates all over the duvet, instead of a dead dog. Lack of knowledge can kill; and you don’t know what you don’t know; get a helper/sharer, who does know, please, for your sake and that of those lovely horses.

 

[amandap]

http://www.progressivehorse.co.uk/html/healthy_hooves.html
http://www.progressivehorse.co.uk/html/unhealthy_hooves.html
http://www.hoofrehab.com/

Just learn all you can about diet and hooves mariebx19. x

ps.Put your name down for this free online nutrition course. https://www.coursera.org/course/equinenutrition

 

[DreamingIsBelieving]

it really doesnt bother me that you have called them because they are not neglected animals,i didnt intend on them to suffer,i honestly thought when a horses hoof was overgrown was when the hoof started to curl at the edges,so it is the lack of knowledge not the intention of having my horses sore/uncomfortable.

What people are saying is that if it is the pedal done protruding (and you say yourself it could be) then it is a serious veterinary emergency and, if left untreated, it could result in your pony having to be put to sleep. If you call the vet now, on emergency callout, then you're doing the kindest thing in getting treatment for your pony as quickly as possible to give him the best chance of recovery.

Just because you don't intentionally mean for your horses to suffer doesn't mean that they aren't suffering as a result of your ignorance. You obviously love them very much but your lack of knowledge is making them suffer. Horses are a very specialist animal, not like a cat or a guinea pig. It takes years of experience with horses before anyone is ready to even think about getting their own, and even then, the last thing they should be doing is getting a malnourished yearling and renting a field where there is no-one experienced on hand to help you out and push you in the right direction if you go about something the wrong way (like waiting too long to call the farrier, for example).

My advice - call the vet urgently, sort this problem out and if you decide to keep them then find a good livery yard (ask on here and I'm sure you'll get some recommendations) where there are plenty of knowledgeable and experienced horse folk to help you out.

 

[mariebx19]

well everything i dont know i do ask for help-on these forums...and i have already posted that i have called the farrier and the vet will be called tomorrow.

 

[Nari]

well everything i dont know i do ask for help-on these forums...and i have already posted that i have called the farrier and the vet will be called tomorrow.

That's good, but please call the vet now & ask them to come out today. I agree with the poster who said have someone else with you too, or at the very least a pen & paper & ask the vet to write things down, because sometimes if there's a lot of information it can be hard to take it all in especially if you're worried or upset.

 

[Gloi]

It doesn't look at all like a pedal bone protruding to me. It looks like a young pony that has lived on soft ground and has not been shedding the sole as it should have. Well overdue for a trim and shouldn't have got that bad in the first place, but having bought young ponies who have never been trimmed or handled in their lives, nothing that can't be sorted out.

 

[amandap]

It doesn't look at all like a pedal bone protruding to me. It looks like a young pony that has lived on soft ground and has not been shedding the sole as it should have. Well overdue for a trim and shouldn't have got that bad in the first place, but having bought young ponies who have never been trimmed or handled in their lives, nothing that can't be sorted out.

This is what I see so that's three of us.

 

[MaHats]

"well everything i dont know i do ask for help-on these forums...and i have already posted that i have called the farrier and the vet will be called tomorrow."

Please understand that you don't know what you don't know. You need to take a view of preventing problems, not just asking for help when you have one. Without knowledge, problems will be constant. If you are not able to prevent or recognise an issue early, then both you and your horse will pay dearly.

When is the Farrier due; does he have a good reputation?

Tomorrow is a Bank Holiday, why wait for a Bank Holiday to call, may as well call today then.

Did you look at the information on the links above? look at picture VIII on the second link.

 

[saalsk]

It wasn't a weekend or a bank holiday when you posted the original post

You said you knew they weren't right, yet saw no urgency to get a farrier in the time you have had the horse.

Take a long hard look at the pictures, and the stories about your other animals, and get a reality check.

 

[mariebx19]

i know they are a bit cheesy and you will obviously have an opinion on,which you are entitled to DO THEY LOOK LIKE UNHAPPY,ABUSED,UNHEALTHY NEGLECTED HORSES TO YOU yes i know their feet badly need a trim now but as i have said PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONTACTED AND THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO BE SEEN there is nothing more i can really do until they come out and obviously after that have them trimmed every 6-8 weeks.i will let you all know how it goes but it will be the last post i put up on here so thanks..and no i didnt expect you all to say there was nothing wrong but i asked for your help and all i have got is abuse from most of you anyway




http://youtu.be/TZNtExha_38

http://youtu.be/_xqVaIxNWkI

http://youtu.be/NVOs7gE1zJo

 

[Dexter]

It doesn't look at all like a pedal bone protruding to me. It looks like a young pony that has lived on soft ground and has not been shedding the sole as it should have. Well overdue for a trim and shouldn't have got that bad in the first place, but having bought young ponies who have never been trimmed or handled in their lives, nothing that can't be sorted out.

Same here I bought a yearling who had never really been handled or had his feet done. I waited a couple of weeks while I taught him to pick his feet up and be comfortable with being handled then got them done. Over the curse of a couple of months and a few trims they turned into good feet. Hes now a big sound 4yr old, still barefoot and with great feet

 

[TPO]

I think those saying that it doesn't look that bad are missing the point. There is a young girl, although not that young, who owns two horses who are not receiving the care they require because she does not have any equine knowledge or anyone mentoring her. Loving/ needing the horses does not excuse ignorance.

As has been pointed out already the SSPCA have already received calls about these horses, seen photos/ videos and are monitoring this thread. They'll see the horses in the flesh and decide upon the appropriate action for the welfare of both horses.

With that in mind further discussion seems pointless.

 

[LadyRascasse]

Can I just add a horse doesn't have to be lame to be in pain some horses have a higher pain threshold and won't show lameness until they are in absolute agony. I am pleased you have sought the appropriate help for your horses and hope they improve and just one over thing I pick up on Strangles is in NO WAY similar to a cold!! That's like saying Tuberculous is just a cold!

 

[mariebx19]

what i mean with they are similar is they both have discharge from the nose as a symptom.and i know they dont NEED to be lame,domino had pain since i got him and was only confirmed around november/december after vets saying there was nothing wrong with him..that is why in the time i have had him he has barely been ridden.

 

[TuscanBunnyGirl]

sorry but i would never give an animal away i know it is soo easy for some but i brought him to me,they have gotten attached so i am nt going to just give them away.i will get help with them

Giving them up to someone more knowledgeable would be the best thing you could do for them

I hope they do get help or something when the SSPCA come. Heartbreaking seeing horses suffer.

Well done to QueenBee for stepping up and doing something about this situation.

 

[MasterBenedict]

OP - I would just like to offer my help in any way possible. I know that some of the replies on here are may seem abusive towards you, but in reality the posters are just concerned for your horses.

In my post I posted the pics showing you what pedal bone rotation can look like in order to educate you. I think the main issue he is lack of knowledge - to which you have already admitted. (If my post came off as harsh I apologise - I am just a little shocked more at the lack of knowledge rather than the issues, which could be, and probably are, just overgrown hooves - we won't know until vet/farrier has been and I don't like to speculate)

My best advice to you is read read read everything you can about the care and maintenance of horses and always call a professional eg vet ASAP if you suspect anything is amiss. Please don't let the thread put you off posting your problems, as we are usually a very helpful bunch, if a little passionate

If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask - we all have to start somewhere, it's just a shame that you didn't start before you got yours but its a bit late for looking back now.

They are in your care and it is your responsibility to learn everything you can so your horses have the happiest, healthiest life they deserve.

If you do feel apprehensive about posting on here again, feel free to private message me and I will seek the advice you are after in a much calmer, less stressful way.

Good luck with the vet/farrier.

 

[amandap]

Supportive and kind post MasterBenedict.

This is what a pedal bone piercing the sole looks like. https://www.google.ie/search?q=peda...om%2Fsevere-laminitis-case-study.html;300;225

 

[PucciNPoni]

well everything i dont know i do ask for help-on these forums...and i have already posted that i have called the farrier and the vet will be called tomorrow.

If everyone here has suggested you urgently phone your vet (which means now, this minute) why are you waiting til Monday? Are you deliberately trying to wind up people who are trying to help? Wouldn't you rather get them all off your back?

 

[Purple18]

I'm not sure how many times people have told you you need a vet now like right now and your still saying they just need a trim ?! open your eyes and realise you need help. get to your phone and ring them. because if you don't there's a chance your 1 year old will have to be put to sleep if his feet are as bad as they look without help they will get worse you can't afford to wait til tomorrow. tomorrow might be too late....

 

[AMW]

Im another one who thinks a young pony with unattended feet needing to see a good farrier. If that was the pedal bone coming through that pony would be unable to stand. Im another one who has bought rough youngsters with feet needing doing. Farrier first imo

 

[PucciNPoni]

Im another one who thinks a young pony with unattended feet needing to see a good farrier. If that was the pedal bone coming through that pony would be unable to stand. Im another one who has bought rough youngsters with feet needing doing. Farrier first imo

I agree, that if that was pedal bone the ponies in the video wouldn't be able to walk - which they do. Not entirely convinced they look *sound* form the clips, but I don't think they necessarily look as dramatic as all that.

However, it seems to me that the OP is winding people up on purpose just from the tone and length of this thread.

 

[Aarrghimpossiblepony]

I agree, that if that was pedal bone the ponies in the video wouldn't be able to walk - which they do. Not entirely convinced they look *sound* form the clips, but I don't think they necessarily look as dramatic as all that.

However, it seems to me that the OP is winding people up on purpose just from the tone and length of this thread.

Well it's a choice people have to make.

WUM or real.

If Wum then walk away, if real then driving them off this forum is going to help the ponies how exactly?

 

[jessieblue]

Not sure there is much point in me replying to this thread as mostly every comment I was going to post has been said along the way!! However, if this is a genuine post, then I am also concerned for the ponies welfare so thought I would offer my comments anyway. I agree with earlier posters the photos were alarming. I did think PEDAL BONE!! Very worrying, but I do know photos can be misleading and photos are sometimes not genuine, so we cant really know for sure!! Sometimes things arent how they first seem, but I would agree that the only way to make sure the ponies arent suffering unnecessarily is to have a professional check them as soon as possible. Marie, why cant you call the vet today?? It will cost you a little bit more for a visit, but really not that much considering that these horses may need treatment after the intitial visit as well. It is bank holiday monday tomorrow sweet so the visit will cost you the same as today. You can call a vet anytime you know. Whereabouts are you? Seriously, can you call the vet now, then come back and tell us what he/she says? I would really love to hear that there is nothing to worry about and that your ponies need the trim you already have booked. Surely you will only be worrying now until tuesday otherwise considering what has been said on here already??

Marie, please do this for your boys. Do it now and if you pm me I will send you a cheque towards the callout fee! Ill pay half the visit fee for you if that would help. Let me know your details and ill send you the money, if only to put an end to this situation that has blown up. If anyone else is really interested in the welfare of these horses maybe they could all pay a few pounds toward TODAYS visit and we can get this all over and done, whether good or bad news. The vet has to be called today though, right now.

Cant think of anything more helpful to say really!

 

[PucciNPoni]

Well it's a choice people have to make.

WUM or real.

If Wum then walk away, if real then driving them off this forum is going to help the ponies how exactly?

Personally, I would like to know exactly *who* is making the original posts, whether real or WUM. If WUM, then indeed I would be happy to walk away. However, I've read the thread and am not entirely convinced either way, but certainly leaning to WUM. If request for help is genuine, then I certainly would not want to drive the OP away - indeed would suggest they get help for their ponies long term (not just short term) as I'm not entirely convinced that as a horse owner, completely on their own without a y/o, manager or other liveries to help out is actually in these ponies best interests.

 

[jessieblue]

Does everyone agree that the first thing is to get these ponies seen by a vet today, so help and advice can be made available?? I am sure if a vet feels a welfare call necessary that would follow too. Surely the best thing we can do from here is to encourage an urgent vet visit. If money is the reason OP wont call the vet today and we remove that problem then it simply has to be a wind up considering the alarming nature of some of the posts. I can understand some of the anger, but the only thing I really want to do is get help for the ponies that seem to be in trouble in this thread. Trying to win an argument with someone that thinks differently to you is a waste of energy. I am in essex and if OP is in my area I am happy to do what I can to sort this situation out!