How flat are these feet? **pics**

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Just out of curiosity really due to the problems we are currently having, could you give me your comments on how flat you think these feet are?

Thanks in advance
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Thanks xx
 
i dunno how to judge but abby's feet are rediculously flat like seriously, its the biggest pain in the arse ever
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our farriers doing such a gd job of making them a better shape tho
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Don't know how long ago the horse was shod but the toes look a bit long (if newly shod) to me. However I'm not an expert, just had lots of TB types over many years.
 
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Don't know how long ago the horse was shod but the toes look a bit long (if newly shod) to me. However I'm not an expert, just had lots of TB types over many years.

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he was only shod on Friday!
 
i'd say the toes do look quite long for just being shod maybe its just like that so your farrier has to come out more often but then he's scamming you by not doing a proper job which could make his feet worse
 
Hi there. They look quite flat to me. What are the heels like? Are they collapsing in? Is that why he is in heartbars? I would agree that his toes are very long. The best way of analysing a horses foot and therefore how to shoe it appropriately is to look at its xrays.

My horse has very similar feet but his pedal bone was almost horizontal, his pasterns are much longer and more on the angle and the farrier after seeing xrays could see how much toe he could take off and did so accordingly. Unfortunately my horses prognosis isnt good (see my posts) but that is due to a lot of other problems. My advice is that if you are worried act quickly... (which you may be already - sorry not sure of history!)
 
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Hi there. They look quite flat to me. What are the heels like? Are they collapsing in? Is that why he is in heartbars?

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Yes his heels are collapsing in too. Farrier only put him in egg bars on Fri as after last shoeing Rocky was lame and farrier thinks its cos the heels need more support.

I am going to trot him up this afternoon and see if he is still lame, then call vet. I am praying that he is going to be ok as we have never had a foot problem until now!!

I will have a look at some of your posts now xx
 
I think those feet are terrible tbh. Toes too long, collapsed heels & the hoof pastern axis is tendon trouble waiting to happen.
I would either get a remedial farrier, or get a good equine vet to review the feet and prescribe a course of remedial shoeing to the farrier.
I personally wouldn't ride till his feet are sorted.
 
They really arnt that flat and continueing with the bar shoes ever 4 weeks will continue to support the heels and will also continue to correct the hoof/pastern axis.


The hoof quality is poor and your poor farrier looks like her had a job to get nails in where he wanted.

The toes are not that long either, what you need to bear in mind is that these EGG bars look to have no clips on them, and therefore the toe with hang slightly over the front.. Which is turn will ease the break over. which will in turn make it easier for the horse to move.

I think you farrier has made a good call with the EGG bars, I think I would continue down the route and see what happens. I would also be tempted to have some EQUI-PAK put into the sole.

Has this horse been tested for Navicular?

I have seen horses with feet which are a hell of a lot flatter!

Lou x
 
They look pretty much like my horse's feet ... i.e. flat!

How on earth do you keep egg bars on? I found they came off weekly
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Problem with egg bars is that they can cause collapsign heels to roll over even more. Raised heels may help - my farrier used Equilok on heels with natural balance shoes. In theory this should have worked but as said before lots of different things happening.

Farrier swears by adding biotin and oil to diet. My lad has been on Top Spec comprehensive plus more biotin and outshine (wont tolerate neat oil) for last 9 weeks and his feet grew really quickly this time, s much so that the farrier after 5 weeks could take lots of toe off and could see a noticeable difference in heel hieght. OK I know it takes 9 months for a whole hoof to grow but this is much improved since previous conditions.

Would def recommend some xrays to see what is going on. It may just be his conformation but you need to help avoid any problems that flat feet / collapsed heels can cause.
 
The problemw ith any bar shoe is that is puts constant pressure on the heel.. Problem of not, this can encourage and does encourage the heels to grow down correctly.

Biotin is the obviouse hoof supplement. If this horse was mine, I would put it on profeet. I would also use naf hoof moist as it allow the natural moisture levels to be maintained and prevents the lock in/lock out effect that oil based products do. Another alternative is Gellatine.. Which a sachet a day added to feeds can produce great results.

As you said, the average horse takes around 9 months to grow a full hoof down. Ted used to take nearly 18 months. Each horse is diffrent...

And Im not being funny people.. but how about... as the horse has only just been put into egg bars.. you give them chance..?

Lou x
 
Navicular - no he hasn't been tested for this. He went lame in April with no explanation and when it got to xray day he trotted up sound.

I keep them on with some of those extra long woof wear over reach boots? Im praying they stay on as my horse is very good at pulling shoes off as he tracks up so well

I am going to jump in the car now and go back down and trot him up, if lame I will be straight on phone to vet.

Are any of you good with photoshop? I would be interested to see if someone could draw a line on the feet to show the angle they should be at?

I do appreciate all of your comments - it is the most worrying thing when their feet go wrong. . . especially when insurance doesn't cover it. but, to be honest, I will find the money somehow if xrays are what the vet suggests. Rocky is the most gentle horse so I will do anything to fix this x
 
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Biotin is the obviouse hoof supplement. If this horse was mine, I would put it on profeet. I would also use naf hoof moist as it allow the natural moisture levels to be maintained and prevents the lock in/lock out effect that oil based products do. Another alternative is Gellatine.. Which a sachet a day added to feeds can produce great results.


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Thanks for that - I haven't got him on a supplement as my farrier told me he wasn't convinced any worked. I will go and get some. As for hoof moist I am currently using Kevin Bacon as it was recommended to me by my instructor - does this work as well as the one you suggest?
 
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I think those feet are terrible tbh. Toes too long, collapsed heels & the hoof pastern axis is tendon trouble waiting to happen.
I would either get a remedial farrier, or get a good equine vet to review the feet and prescribe a course of remedial shoeing to the farrier.
I personally wouldn't ride till his feet are sorted.

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Exactly and I do not think the eggbars are helping him.
 
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I think those feet are terrible tbh. Toes too long, collapsed heels & the hoof pastern axis is tendon trouble waiting to happen.
I would either get a remedial farrier, or get a good equine vet to review the feet and prescribe a course of remedial shoeing to the farrier.
I personally wouldn't ride till his feet are sorted.

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Exactly and I do not think the eggbars are helping him.

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even though they have only been on 4 days? don't suppose you'd mind explaining why you dont think they are helping? I am so worried about this and want to make sure I do the right thing
 
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I think those feet are terrible tbh. Toes too long, collapsed heels & the hoof pastern axis is tendon trouble waiting to happen.
I would either get a remedial farrier, or get a good equine vet to review the feet and prescribe a course of remedial shoeing to the farrier.
I personally wouldn't ride till his feet are sorted.

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Exactly and I do not think the eggbars are helping him.

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What a stupid comment! Really stupid!
Have you read any of this post? How can you possibly say that the eggbars are not helping after a grand old time of 4 days!

FEAR MONGERING.

Lou x
 
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Did the xrays show any changes to the distal sesemoid bones?

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Lou x

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thank you for editing that photo! I can see it more clearly now. I should have thought about it more at the time - as he trotted up sound the vet said she wasn't going to xray as we thought the problem was sorted. Looking back I wish we had xrayed then.

I am really really confused now as to what to do - some saying eggbars good, some saying eggbars bad decision.....?!
 
Kevin baker is marvalous if you use it about twice awake, inbetween applications of this (im assuming its the on with laurel in it?) i would be using the hoof moist every time you see the horse.

Lou x
 
The hoof pastern axis will come and really isnt that far out. I would persever with the bar shoes.. hes only had them on 4 ays. I would give them time.. I would also be tempted to hang fire with getting the vet too if the lame ness is only slight.

Lou x
 
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Kevin baker is marvalous if you use it about twice awake, inbetween applications of this (im assuming its the on with laurel in it?) i would be using the hoof moist every time you see the horse.

Lou x

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ok thanks for the tip
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I will buy some hoof moist too
 
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The hoof pastern axis will come and really isnt that far out. I would persever with the bar shoes.. hes only had them on 4 ays. I would give them time.. I would also be tempted to hang fire with getting the vet too if the lame ness is only slight.

Lou x

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yeah the lameness is only slight so perhaps you are right and I need to give him a bit of time to settle into the shoes.

Thank you so much for your help!!! Fiona xx
 
They are flat feet.

IME heart bars are better for collapsed heels than egg bars but your farrier may have his reasons for using egg bars.

I'm narked that insurance are now excluding foot problems investigations for anything with flat feet. If anything is going to further de-value thoroughbreds, that is going to do it.
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I'm narked that insurance are now excluding foot problems investigations for anything with flat feet. If anything is going to further de-value thoroughbreds, that is going to do it.
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Tell me about it - this only started as when I had him vetted there was a comment on the certificate of "slight flat front feet".

So my insurance now reads that anything RELATING to ANY of the feet is excluded!!! (even though his back feet are fine!)
 
LOL All four of Ted legs were excluded.. I was gutted.. still forked out a few grand for him on vet bills even though it killed me.. and in the end unfortunatly killed him too. Ted flat feet

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And his wonky legs
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Lou x
 
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