How rare is this!!

if you read what I had put, I don't think you HAVE to have two registered parents to produce a good foal. My gripe is with unregistered stallions, because this generally points towards people who havent a clue about breeding which in turn results in crap animals which have more of a chance of leading short miserable lives.

My point was that you hapen t have one of the better ponies. It may simply be that he came from a good stallion and no-one ever bothered to register him. It happens. Or it may be that he's just lucky that he's got good conformation and looks. It's a hell of a gamble though isnt it? People who breed just to see what their stallion might throw are playing russian roulette with animal's lives and welfare, and that makes me angry.
 
as this thread seems to have turned into some kind of JM07 is the devil incarnate..

i'll answer as best as i can..

George was very Fugly....

it was mentioned to me SEVERAL times that he was crap..on here before my sabbatical and since..

the difference in that comparison is George has a solid pedigree so he had at least a decent parentage to hopefully aspire to.
this foal is a mish-mash..so no grounding as such.
which doesnt mean he wont be a swan in the future..

i have said in this thread that i've owned fugly foals..

George was very fugly..a lot of people on here DID say he was ugly and WTF have you bought ... did i bleat???? well do i need to ask? i dont think so....and if he didnt come round he would have been PTS..end of..

i cant see why i'm the only one who gets flak on posts such as this..

i#m not "un-feeling" as you put it..but i wont post "nice" for the sake of it..
 
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TBH, Patches, I'd eat my hat if Oliver isn't an unpapered purebred. It happens, I used to have a purebred hill dartmoor that was lacking a brand and papers to prove it.
As such, he was gelded, but such a loss to the breed!

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why do you keep saying what i want to say, but before me? makes me look like I'm copying you
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I'm not. I'm just slow at typing...


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On the other side of the coin, a mate of mine bred German Shepherds - quite a famous bloodline, traceable back over 20 generations. One puppy was something special - she won every puppy class she was entered in, my mate had a waiting list as long as her arm for pups when the time came, yadda yadda yadda...

She decided the time was right to breed from this fabulous bitch... and nothing. The bitch was barren, and therefore worthless as anything other than a lovely pet.

Just saying, you never can tell.
 
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George was very Fugly.... has a solid pedigree....and if he didnt come round he would have been PTS..end of.. i#m not "un-feeling"

[/ QUOTE ]So, if your horse hadn't turned out pretty enough, you would have destroyed it? I thought the whole argument here was that breeding registered, pedigree stock was meant to save them from exactly this sort of end?
 
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George was very Fugly.... has a solid pedigree....and if he didnt come round he would have been PTS..end of.. i#m not "un-feeling"

[/ QUOTE ]So, if your horse hadn't turned out pretty enough, you would have destroyed it? I thought the whole argument here was that breeding registered, pedigree stock was meant to save them from exactly this sort of end?

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i didnt breed the bloody thing..i paid peanuts for him..

and yes, if he turned out shite like others who i've taken to Potter's, ten he would most certainly have joined them...

i see no problem there..you obviously do, so explain...
 
Those who are jumping on the "there is nothing wrong with crossbreeds" wagon ar ein some cases missing the point. You without exception all brought your "crossbreeds" because you had seen what they were going to turn into as there were close to maturity and could see they had clean limbs etc. Same as I did with my "mongrel". HOWEVER, where there are our very nice crossbred horses, there are hundreds of not so nice ones caused by indiscriminate breeding such as the one posted by the OP. I dont believe everything should be papered etc etc to be bred out of, but a measured decision should be made when considering what the result would be from a nice stallion to a suitable mare. Putting something to something else just to "see what would happen" is unacceptable IMHO if done intentionally. Horses will sometimes be horses and accidents happen, fair enough, but INTENTIONALLY breeding something without any thought to what may be produced or desired is unacceptable.

And those that have bred out of "crossbred" mares, good on you as I am sure you have considered what areas of the mare can be improved so have gone out to produce something better than the original article that obviously had its merits in the first place to be bred from. And how many of you would just pick a random stallion out of a field to do this?! I can bet most of you ahve gone out for a well bred and quality animal.... BUT breeding for breedings sake is again unnecessary and is the reason why there are so many unwanted horses.

Rant over.
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My first problem is this: if you are buying 'shite' horses and ponies, and then sending them to be destroyed, you are essentially FINANCING that miserable industry, or in other words you are actively supporting and maintaining it. People like you provide custom so that indiscriminate breeders (whether registered or not) can continue making money. Do you not see the mind-bending and utter ridiculousness of your position? You have argued that papered = good = saved from a miserable life and having done so, you then state quite plainly that in your case it most certainly does not.

My main problem, however, is that from what I gather, your attitude is: if it isn't 'pretty' enough, destroy it, because horses are expendable and disposable. A person like you would have Brandy shot, and that I find truly despicable.
 
QR - Charlie and Country_gal.

Tell me what "purebred" you think Oliver is then because I'll be damned if I know, or my vet, farrier, instructor.

We're assuming he's a Welsh B x C, a complete and utter no-no for Welshies and therefore he would most certainly be a frowned upon "cross breed".
 
But you don't ever seem to want to give anybody the benefit of the doubt. That's what comes across.

I agree that some people are somewhat ingenuous with their postings, but you never even give them the chance.
 
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes - BOUGHT - not bred! Dear Christ.
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Stop breeding for the sake of it - just to see, scrap the rubbish, buy and care for the rest and the problem is solved.

JM07 knows what I am talking about!
 
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My first problem is this: if you are buying 'shite' horses and ponies, and then sending them to be destroyed, you are essentially FINANCING that miserable industry, or in other words you are actively supporting and maintaining it. People like you provide custom so that indiscriminate breeders (whether registered or not) can continue making money. Do you not see the mind-bending and utter ridiculousness of your position? You have argued that papered = good = saved from a miserable life and having done so, you then state quite plainly that in your case it most certainly does not.

My main problem, however, is that from what I gather, your attitude is: if it isn't 'pretty' enough, destroy it, because horses are expendable and disposable. A person like you would have Brandy shot, and that I find truly despicable.

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you have a post total of less than 300..you know f all about me..so either do some research BEFORE you critisise/judge what i do or dont do with my ponies...or shut up.
 
I wouldnt have a clue, but there's every chance he's out of a sec c stallion to a crossbred mare. I would have thought he'd had some new forest in there somewhere.
 
as i sold Oliver to Patches he would, by tracing back a few owners, be predominately Section C...

he isnt IMO 100% C...
 
Okay, put it another way, just say you wanted to put your mare into foal, would you go to a stud and choose a nice stallion or would you go down to road and pay £50 to the local farmer to use his cross bred (of totally inknown breeding) overgrown colt that he just couldnt be bothered to have gelded??
 
Interesting how you failed to actually tackle the issues I presented head on. It tends to signal something of a lack of real firepower in a counter-argument. Also, as I'm sure you're aware, 'posting' rate has no parity with 'reading' rate - how can you gauge just how much I know about you from what I've posted? That was a particularly weak comeback at best. And lastly, if criticism upsets you quite this much, tell me why it is you're so quick to dish it out?
 
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Have you got seriously bad P.M.T. or are you naturally bitter and twisted?

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At my age PMT doesn't come into it..

bitter and twisted also comes naturally..
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Yes i agree, for goodness sake its a foal which has been born to a family which want it for a start! It will probably have a smashing life, if its loved and wanted then what is the problem... Some posters have a way of really twisting the knife in, at what should be a happy event. He is no show pony but im sure he will make a great allrounder eventually, and lets face it thats what over 70% of people want, something safe.
 
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Interesting how you failed to actually tackle the issues I presented head on. It tends to signal something of a lack of real firepower in a counter-argument. Also, as I'm sure you're aware, 'posting' rate has no parity with 'reading' rate - how can you gauge just how much I know about you from what I've posted? That was a particularly weak comeback at best. And lastly, if criticism upsets you quite this much, tell me why it is you're so quick to dish it out?

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That has to be the smartest post on this thread! and on that I wish you all good night
 
ok...i'll answer any questions..

as i'm old and infirm..not to mention rude illiterate..oh, and suffering from PMT..
Can you ask away...numbering the questions as you go??

thank you...............................
 
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Maybe H.R.T. might help then.
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is that the stuff that includes mares urine..not keen TBH..
 
Gah I have watched this post since it started but not commented.

To start Sophie congratulations on your friends new foal. I think it is cute and will trun out grey
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THERE ARE PLENTY OF QUALITY HORSES WHO ARE NOT REGISTRED WITH UNKNOWN BREEDING WHO ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME JOBS AS THOSE WITH SOME POSH PARENTAGE AND A FANCY PASSPORT.

People are so narrow minded and pathetic I can't believe some people wouldn't buy unregistered horses why?? It may be your horse of a lifetime but you wouldnt buy it just because it hasn't got a posh passport or known parents
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soo fickle. It saddens me
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THERE ARE PLENTY OF QUALITY HORSES WHO ARE NOT REGISTRED WITH UNKNOWN BREEDING WHO ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME JOBS AS THOSE WITH SOME POSH PARENTAGE AND A FANCY PASSPORT.

People are so narrow minded and pathetic I can't believe some people wouldn't buy unregistered horses why?? It may be your horse of a lifetime but you wouldnt buy it just because it hasn't got a posh passport or known parents soo fickle. It saddens me

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Oh FFS, you have completely missed the point. Unregistered isnt the problem, indiscriminate breeding is.
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I am completely against the reason for why this foal has been bred, but own a unregistered horse. What does that make me?! Read my previous post along with _Charlie_'s and I think you will get what people have been getting at. Dont call people narow minded before understanding their arguement
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QR - I think the people defeding cross bred hores are failing to see the point. For everyone of us on here the has a cross bred, how many others have been left to rot in a field? How many have problems that are due to crap conformation etc?
I know my mongrel has, and I also know he was saved from rotting in a field.
Im not saying that pure breds have no faults, however by breeding from graded mares and stallions the faults due to conformation can be limited.
JM07 provides a service which, in my opinion is invaluable, perhaps if people werent careless enough to breed rubbish (pure or cross bred) then she wouldnt have to.
No comments on the foal, but people cannot say a horse has a home for life with any real certainty, you never know what is round the corner. Again selling to one good home guarentees nothing for the future of your youngster.
 
I have owned two unregistered ponies which have both been fabulous. I've a feeling that's down to luck though, rather than the fact someone had an 'accident' or didnt know what they were doing.

Doesnt mean i'd put a mare of mine to any old stallion, I'd be wanting to ensure my foal had every chance of having a good conformation, good temperament, and good ability to do it's job.
Sadly, the only way I could do this would be to use a licenced stallion with a full history.

May i suggest you, and others who are wailing "My pony's a crossbreed... he's not crap / useless" actually think about what's being said here before getting all emotional about it.

All we wish for is for people to THINK about what they are breeding, and encourage good breeding by only using stallions licenced by the relevant society (be that sports horse, native etc). This will in turn reduce the amount of ponies ending up at bottom end markets and ultimately going for meat.
 
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