Hunting is in a spot of bother

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Clodagh said:
Genuine question, how do they know who are the problem foxes?
When we had a farm, which was hunted, we didn’t shoot the foxes. For many years we had a distinctive bob tailed fox we saw regularly but he was no bother and we left them all be.
When we started losing chickens we went out and shot the lot. Obviously you shoot the one in your garden in the daytime if possible but if not you go and clear them out.
How can your marksmen identify the specific fox that is causing bother?
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The main guy who shoots fox will go to any farm in the area reporting stock losses and/or sight of foxes near lambs. He sits and waits and when the fox turns up he shoots it. There is another guy who specialises in the problem deer, so has a similar technique but he stalks them.
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So the Tetcott Hunt has folded due to lack of finances and support, when pushed on the fate of the hounds the hunt committee stated they won’t guarantee the hounds will not be destroyed, so much for the hounds all having loving homes when they retire (nobody believed that anyway) more like a bullet in the head prior to a trip to an incinerator.

“The Regional representative of the MFHA Paul Hancock who was present was asked by the floor would the MFHA oversee and commit to the safe re-homing of hounds and ensure no hounds were destroyed?, a Mr RICHARD TYACKE Director of the MFHA stood up and explained he would answer this question on behalf of Mr. Hancock (Four Burrow Hunt) and the MFHA and said whilst they would do their very best they simply were not able to commit or guarantee that hounds would not be DESTROYED should the Tetcott Hunt Fold.”
 
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I mean, it's a waste of a life, but being humanely euthanized (and that can include via a bullet to the head), isn't the worst fate. I think many if not all of these hounds would need a specific type of home and owner. Which won't be so easy to find.

IME, many of the hounds that belong to various hunts don't live the best lives in the best of conditions anyway. Of course there's always someone with a tale saying that so and so loves the hounds and exercises them. Well of course, so and so needs them for his/her "sport" and enjoyment of that "sport" so will do just above the minimum to ensure that those hounds can live and do their job. They're not pets.

I do think that the hunt should do their due diligence and attempt to rehome the hounds, but if there are no suitable homes, or no suitable person can be found for them, then it's their responsibility to humanely dispatch them. Of course they can't guarantee homes for all of them, and of course no one is beating down their door to have one of these hounds, I imagine.

It sucks for the hounds, but they don't/won't know that. So there's that.
 
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The Tetcott Hunt seems to be having a rather acrimonious implosion if the informal minutes of the recent EGM as reported to Hunting Leaks are accurate.

https://huntingleaks.is/news/

The main thing is that the hounds must continue to be properly cared for and exercised until such time as their ultimate future is decided, whether that is to be draughted to another pack or to be culled.
 
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Hounds welfare must be the first priority but of course suspension of a hunt is not the same (quite) as folding. They may fold of course but many hunts have suspended activities for one reason or another and come back from the brink of extinction.
 
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Clodagh said:
That’s appalling. Bagged foxes are the very lowest, even when hunting a wild found one was legal.
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We can always tell bagged ones, they stand stock still trying to get their bearings which of course they can’t, this hunt needs to be disbanded and all the hunt staff should never be employed in that capacity again.
 
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ycbm said:
Cub hunting unmistakably. How can it possibly be anything else?

The single most disgusting thing I've ever done in my life. I still blame my younger self for not having the guts to ride away (and tell the people I was out with at the time what I thought).
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Why are they allowed to get away with it? Its clear what they are doing. No way are they following a trail but still they continue to break the law and get away with it.
 
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Sandstone1 said:
Why are they allowed to get away with it? Its clear what they are doing. No way are they following a trail but still they continue to break the law and get away with it.
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Because we don't have enough police to police burglaries, never mind fraud. And because the moment anyone in uniform turned up, they'd just stop and there would be no evidence. So it would require covert (no pun intended) surveillance which needs official approval and big resources.
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ycbm said:
Because we don't have enough police to police burglaries, never mind fraud. And because the moment anyone in uniform turned up, they'd just stop and there would be no evidence. So it would require covert (no pun intended) surveillance which needs official approval and big resources.
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Warwickshire police has a rural crime dept, surely they should be interested in this?
 
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Sandstone1 said:
Warwickshire police has a rural crime dept, surely they should be interested in this?
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How many staff has it got and what else are they covering? ATV theft is rife, for example. They are uniformed staff on Rural Crime in Cheshire. The moment someone in uniform appears they will simply stop turning the foxes back. And if they stop that there is no evidence whatsoever to prosecute them with.
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Tiddlypom said:
That certainly looks like 'holding up' to me - and holding up has no place whatsoever in post ban legal trail hunting. It's old fashioned and definitely now illegal cubbing.

How brazen are they thinking that they can get away with it?
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It's also confirmation, for me, that the Warwickshire intend to fox hunt for the entire coming season. I hope they get the sabbing they deserve.
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Well, rather than relying on sabs this is a case for the brand new separate Regulatory Authority – the Hound Sports Regulatory Authority (HSRA) - which administers all regulation and disciplinary matters for members and member hunts, in accordance with the rules set by the BHSA.

If the HSRA has any teeth and actually means to regulate hunting from within, rather than being complicit in supporting illegal practice...

The Warwickshire Hunt should be suspended pending a robust investigation into its activities by the HSRA.
 
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For goodness sake is this still going.

Again I'm not sure who all these "pro hunters" are? Perhaps I've been following a different thread but all I have seen are those who hunt LEGALLY such as myself offer balance to the argument rolled out by some that all hunts are hunting illegally and also condemn frequently the practice of illegal hunting. I'm not sure what you expect us "pro hunting" lot (as you deem us) to say any further on the matter? Illegal hunting and bad behaviour by hunts has been condemned throughout this thread.

That video is blatantly showing illegal cub hunting, a practice I have always found appalling. The footage should be submitted to the police for them to investigate.
 
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shortstuff99 said:
I don't think many pro hunters post on this thread much anymore.
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To be fair, we've never had any hunters who are openly pro illegal hunting on this thread and there's not much anyone can say about this except "is wrong, it shouldn't be happening".

I wonder if people who did hunt fox legally, and want a return to it, want this kind of cubbing back too. I understand that not all hunts did it.
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