Clodagh
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Birds are more challenging than clays, if well presented.
Hunting is in a spot of bother
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paddy555
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then I'm sure the birds are delighted they can provide that challenge before they die.
paddy555
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can't see any but no doubt someone will tell us shortly.
ycbm
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Walls are homes or highways to massive numbers of creatures from invertebrates to reptiles, birds and small mammals.
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Millionwords
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This is a c&p as I'm at work (having just been repairing some DSW in the rain), and haven't got time to type properly.
Dry stone walls provide bare rock for many species such as lichens, liverworts and mosses. As walls mature, gaps between stones can develop a shallow, nutrient-poor soil, which can then provide opportunities for wildflowers.
Dry stone walls can provide a range of microclimates, with south-facing walls providing warm, sunny positions for warmth-loving insects and basking (and hibernating) reptiles. The presence of a rough grass strip immediately adjacent to dry stone walls is particularly beneficial for amphibians, reptiles and for some invertebrates.
Other nooks and crannies provide damp, sheltered areas for insects, while larger cavities can even provide nesting areas for songbirds and small mammals. However, much of this value quickly declines when walls are not maintained and sections collapse.
The linear nature of walls can help species to move through the landscape as well as being valuable navigational features for birds and bats. As dry stone walls are often built in treeless landscapes, they can also provide useful vantage points for birds of prey. The whinchat and stonechat also commonly use walls as vantage points to search for insects. Dry stone walls can also allow species usually only restricted to scree slopes on cliff faces to survive in other areas of the UK.
Clodagh
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I thought of all the lichens, moss and ferns I see on DSW on the moor. It’s easy to discount flora.
suestowford
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I have dry stone walls around my garden and there are many things which live in them. There was a toad who had the prime spot, years ago. I'd be gardening and I'd see his head pop out to check who was passing his front door.
paddy555
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there are miles of them here even without building any more so I don't think our wildlife and fauna are deprived in any way.
As far as building new DSW's there is a cost. Financially they are expensive. There is a considerable cost to the taxpayer. As there is a limited money supply as we are told on many threads here about both poverty and lack of NHS treatment I wonder if the money given in grants to construct new walls wouldn't be better spent on those sort of areas.
The comment above is correct that their value quickly declines when they are not maintained and sections collapse. This happens a lot. Grants are given for new walls or wall repairs but there is no follow up requiring them to be maintained. It doesn't take sheep long to find their way through pig wire and to start pulling the walls down.
On the other side to conservation there is the cost to the environment in constructing them. Vehicle emissions for the wallers getting to work day after day, vehicle emissions from diggers which are working all the time. These are time consuming to build. Emissions from the endless trailer loads of stone which have to be brought in. A large trailer load of stone builds only a very small section of wall. Lorry emissions as soil has to be transported into the area from a distance for double sided banks. The tractor emissions from the post hole driver, the environmental cost of producing, gates, pig wire and barbed wire and staples.
In the olden days wall building had little impact on the environment. A shovel, pick, sledge hammer and a couple of bars plus the labourers. Now we are talking about considerable emissions.
ycbm
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Walls in my area were top wired only Paddy and the only stuff that fell down was incompetently built. I've seen miles, literally, of rebuilt wall stand for many years with little degradation. Nothing that I rebuilt myself fell down and the first lot I did 31 years ago.
ycbm
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If you are going to start comparing carbon footprints you need to be including the steel used for wire and the constant renewal of rotten fence posts. You argument seems a bit weak to me.
sakura
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Birds are also living, breathing creatures who feel pain and fear. Clay does not.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Just seen on FB about that poor poor cat that savaged this week because of the hunt
Absolutely stunning gorgeous cat
Throw the book at them, make them go to court for animal cruelty and compensate that poor lady who's cat it was
I don't think I could be held responsible if that was my cat...
Why is it still taking place??? Just ban it completely
Absolutely stunning gorgeous cat
Throw the book at them, make them go to court for animal cruelty and compensate that poor lady who's cat it was
I don't think I could be held responsible if that was my cat...
Why is it still taking place??? Just ban it completely
Millionwords
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BREAKING: A hound from the Grove and Rufford Hunt has been hit by a car on the busy A614 near Bothamstall, Nottinghamshire, as the hunt was hunting foxes near the road.
sakura
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Koweyka
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Ah another victim of those trails that blow in the wind or have four legs and a bushy ginger tail.
It’s a matter of time before a member of the public is killed.
It’s a matter of time before a member of the public is killed.
Koweyka
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Nasicus
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Er... Not sure about you, but that footage is quite clearly a pack of hounds mangling something, accompanied by a guy ready with a bin bag to scoop up the
Koweyka
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It’s always the hunts way of throwing shade on us, they edit footage blah blah blah that footage speaks for its self as does the earlier one where you see the fox’s head flapping about.
I always take bin bags out with me, because every time I go out I expect the hunts to kill a fox, guess the hunts feel the same ….
ycbm
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I predict that this won't result in a successful prosecution unless there is evidence that the hounds were encouraged and/or evidence that no effort was made to stop them.
People watching this need to understand that laying a light trail of fox scent is not illegal. Having hounds become more interested in a live fox than the trail is not illegal. Failing to be able to call your hounds back is not illegal as long as you try. Hounds catching that fox and ripping it to pieces is not illegal.
And while trail hunts continue to use weak fox scent for trails, then they bring sabbing on themselves and will eventually lose trail hunting altogether.
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moosea
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Oh no! another terrible 'accident'
How veryshocking expected.
A bunch of thugs running amok in the countryside, yet again.
Bring on the full ban ASAP.
Please feel free to link or pm any petitions to get this banned.
How very
A bunch of thugs running amok in the countryside, yet again.
Bring on the full ban ASAP.
Please feel free to link or pm any petitions to get this banned.
Millionwords
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Millionwords
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*upsetting video* horse and hound, and sabs, Quads and terrier men in the middle of a dual carriageway to reduce the carnage.
That "trail" and that "hound control" are non-existant.
https://www.facebook.com/1242135777...PjZiiocB8g1ySPzEhyzWS5DdECcyVl/?sfnsn=scwspmo
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Millionwords
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I'm not sure why the independent reported on this over other incidents, in the name of inclusively i suppose, but hunts want to be wary of ending up in news outlets whatever the negative reason if they wish to continue
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hire-hunt-body-shaming-activist-b2236052.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hire-hunt-body-shaming-activist-b2236052.html
skinnydipper
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Sandstone1
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Nice people from the Warwickshire hunt. Body shaming and bullying.
Sandstone1
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How can this be allowed to go on?
ycbm
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And by that stupid behaviour in those "privileged" accents, they've done more to harm trail hunting than ten videos of catching foxes. Idiots.
Those who are organising hunting within the spirit of the law, making every attempt not to chase fox, should be very worried about this, and trying desperately to work out how to distance themselves from it.
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Miss_Millie
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My god, that poor grey horse. I don't like the position her leg is in, that does not look good. The way these people treat their animals is unbelievable.
Dexter
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Its almost like they want hunting to be stopped. I used to be pro hunt but I just cant condone what is happening now. I also think its too late for the honorable, law abiding people to distance themselves. The damage is too much and too consistent.
Sandstone1
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Its all so disgusting. How can this be right? Pro hunters should hang their heads in shame. No doubt they will blame sabs for it all.