Hunting is in a spot of bother

paddy555 said:
that's the bit I don't get. If they want to shoot use clays. I can see the pleasure of honing your shooting skills, I used to enjoy rifle shooting at one time. Just no need to bring the ducks and pheasants into the equation
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Birds are more challenging than clays, if well presented.
 
paddy555 said:
can't see any but no doubt someone will tell us shortly.
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This is a c&p as I'm at work (having just been repairing some DSW in the rain), and haven't got time to type properly.


Dry stone walls provide bare rock for many species such as lichens, liverworts and mosses. As walls mature, gaps between stones can develop a shallow, nutrient-poor soil, which can then provide opportunities for wildflowers.
Dry stone walls can provide a range of microclimates, with south-facing walls providing warm, sunny positions for warmth-loving insects and basking (and hibernating) reptiles. The presence of a rough grass strip immediately adjacent to dry stone walls is particularly beneficial for amphibians, reptiles and for some invertebrates.
Other nooks and crannies provide damp, sheltered areas for insects, while larger cavities can even provide nesting areas for songbirds and small mammals. However, much of this value quickly declines when walls are not maintained and sections collapse.
The linear nature of walls can help species to move through the landscape as well as being valuable navigational features for birds and bats. As dry stone walls are often built in treeless landscapes, they can also provide useful vantage points for birds of prey. The whinchat and stonechat also commonly use walls as vantage points to search for insects. Dry stone walls can also allow species usually only restricted to scree slopes on cliff faces to survive in other areas of the UK.
 
Millionwords said:
This is a c&p as I'm at work (having just been repairing some DSW in the rain), and haven't got time to type properly.


Dry stone walls provide bare rock for many species such as lichens, liverworts and mosses. As walls mature, gaps between stones can develop a shallow, nutrient-poor soil, which can then provide opportunities for wildflowers.
Dry stone walls can provide a range of microclimates, with south-facing walls providing warm, sunny positions for warmth-loving insects and basking (and hibernating) reptiles. The presence of a rough grass strip immediately adjacent to dry stone walls is particularly beneficial for amphibians, reptiles and for some invertebrates.
Other nooks and crannies provide damp, sheltered areas for insects, while larger cavities can even provide nesting areas for songbirds and small mammals. However, much of this value quickly declines when walls are not maintained and sections collapse.
The linear nature of walls can help species to move through the landscape as well as being valuable navigational features for birds and bats. As dry stone walls are often built in treeless landscapes, they can also provide useful vantage points for birds of prey. The whinchat and stonechat also commonly use walls as vantage points to search for insects. Dry stone walls can also allow species usually only restricted to scree slopes on cliff faces to survive in other areas of the UK.
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there are miles of them here even without building any more so I don't think our wildlife and fauna are deprived in any way. :D

As far as building new DSW's there is a cost. Financially they are expensive. There is a considerable cost to the taxpayer. As there is a limited money supply as we are told on many threads here about both poverty and lack of NHS treatment I wonder if the money given in grants to construct new walls wouldn't be better spent on those sort of areas.

The comment above is correct that their value quickly declines when they are not maintained and sections collapse. This happens a lot. Grants are given for new walls or wall repairs but there is no follow up requiring them to be maintained. It doesn't take sheep long to find their way through pig wire and to start pulling the walls down.

On the other side to conservation there is the cost to the environment in constructing them. Vehicle emissions for the wallers getting to work day after day, vehicle emissions from diggers which are working all the time. These are time consuming to build. Emissions from the endless trailer loads of stone which have to be brought in. A large trailer load of stone builds only a very small section of wall. Lorry emissions as soil has to be transported into the area from a distance for double sided banks. The tractor emissions from the post hole driver, the environmental cost of producing, gates, pig wire and barbed wire and staples.

In the olden days wall building had little impact on the environment. A shovel, pick, sledge hammer and a couple of bars plus the labourers. Now we are talking about considerable emissions.
 
Walls in my area were top wired only Paddy and the only stuff that fell down was incompetently built. I've seen miles, literally, of rebuilt wall stand for many years with little degradation. Nothing that I rebuilt myself fell down and the first lot I did 31 years ago.
 
If you are going to start comparing carbon footprints you need to be including the steel used for wire and the constant renewal of rotten fence posts. You argument seems a bit weak to me.
 
Just seen on FB about that poor poor cat that savaged this week because of the hunt

Absolutely stunning gorgeous cat

Throw the book at them, make them go to court for animal cruelty and compensate that poor lady who's cat it was

I don't think I could be held responsible if that was my cat...

Why is it still taking place??? Just ban it completely
 
BREAKING: A hound from the Grove and Rufford Hunt has been hit by a car on the busy A614 near Bothamstall, Nottinghamshire, as the hunt was hunting foxes near the road.
 
Koweyka said:
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountr...1Ud9u9BOMcF0CX4SYJBq8ndUlJDqPbTU9TxVQaadFvugc
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"The hunt will cooperate fully with any police investigation following this incident, however, we would urge extreme caution in relying upon heavily edited and clipped footage provided by anti-hunting protesters.”
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Er... Not sure about you, but that footage is quite clearly a pack of hounds mangling something, accompanied by a guy ready with a bin bag to scoop up the evidence remains...
 
Nasicus said:
Er... Not sure about you, but that footage is quite clearly a pack of hounds mangling something, accompanied by a guy ready with a bin bag to scoop up the evidence remains...
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It’s always the hunts way of throwing shade on us, they edit footage blah blah blah that footage speaks for its self as does the earlier one where you see the fox’s head flapping about.

I always take bin bags out with me, because every time I go out I expect the hunts to kill a fox, guess the hunts feel the same ….
 
Koweyka said:
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountr...1Ud9u9BOMcF0CX4SYJBq8ndUlJDqPbTU9TxVQaadFvugc
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I predict that this won't result in a successful prosecution unless there is evidence that the hounds were encouraged and/or evidence that no effort was made to stop them.

People watching this need to understand that laying a light trail of fox scent is not illegal. Having hounds become more interested in a live fox than the trail is not illegal. Failing to be able to call your hounds back is not illegal as long as you try. Hounds catching that fox and ripping it to pieces is not illegal.

And while trail hunts continue to use weak fox scent for trails, then they bring sabbing on themselves and will eventually lose trail hunting altogether.
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Sandstone1 said:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1542245582911406
Nice people from the Warwickshire hunt. Body shaming and bullying.
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And by that stupid behaviour in those "privileged" accents, they've done more to harm trail hunting than ten videos of catching foxes. Idiots.

Those who are organising hunting within the spirit of the law, making every attempt not to chase fox, should be very worried about this, and trying desperately to work out how to distance themselves from it.
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ycbm said:
And by that stupid behaviour in those "privileged" accents, they've done more to harm trail hunting than ten videos of catching foxes. Idiots.

Those who are organising hunting within the spirit of the law, making every attempt not to chase fox, should be very worried about this, and trying desperately to work out how to distance themselves from it.
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Its almost like they want hunting to be stopped. I used to be pro hunt but I just cant condone what is happening now. I also think its too late for the honorable, law abiding people to distance themselves. The damage is too much and too consistent.
 
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