Hunting is in a spot of bother

[Tiddlypom]

Blimmin' heck, who on earth would want to follow a pack who has such unpleasant d1cks following it, let alone the illegal hunting that they get up to.

Disgusting fat shaming comments from multiple individuals in Carry On film posh toff accents.

And I went to a very posh girls' boarding school and my cousin taught at Eton, so I'm sadly familiar with that utterly entitled attitude, which tbf is not ubiquitous amongst the product of a public school education.

Wtf are is the new hunting body doing letting that bunch of clowns still hunt?

 

[minesadouble]

That dying hound video! I think it says so much that not one sab sat with that hound. I feel that any GENUINE animal lover would have sat with it and comforted it rather than filming an animal in its dying moments solely to promote their cause.

 

[Clodagh]

That dying hound video! I think it says so much that not one sab sat with that hound. I feel that any GENUINE animal lover would have sat with it and comforted it rather than filming an animal in its dying moments solely to promote their cause.

I was actually more disgusted that no one from the hunt stayed with it. Did they collect its body?
Tbh it’s a really horrible video but I hope it was basically dead by the time it was filmed.

 

[Miss_Millie]

That dying hound video! I think it says so much that not one sab sat with that hound. I feel that any GENUINE animal lover would have sat with it and comforted it rather than filming an animal in its dying moments solely to promote their cause.

The hound was moments from dying, rushing it to a vet would have achieved nothing. Video footage is the only way to expose hunts for what they really are, if this video is another nail in the coffin of hunting, it will prevent future suffering of these exploited animals.

As Clodagh said, abandoning one of your animals to die and suffer like its life means nothing is truly disgusting.

 

[ester]

I'm a bit confused by what you mean by sat with it, they are there? There is a poss break in the footage but it was agonal gasping pretty quickly.

 

[Caol Ila]

It looked to me like the sabs were the ones sitting with the injured hound! Not the hunt. And the ones trying to stop the traffic from hitting more dogs.

Felt sick at the blase way the rider acted about the horse stuck in the ditch. I would have been hysterical if that was my horse.

The hunts are not helping themselves.

 

[moosea]

That dying hound video! I think it says so much that not one sab sat with that hound. I feel that any GENUINE animal lover would have sat with it and comforted it rather than filming an animal in its dying moments solely to promote their cause.

Really?
You don't think it is awful that the hunt allowed their dog to stray into traffic?
You don't feel that it should have been the hunt sitting with the dog they allowed to be hit by a car?
You don't find it disgusting that they were obviously not following a pre laid scent?
You're not horrified that the hunt put peoples lives at risk?

None of that bothers you?
Because all of that bothers me.

 

[minesadouble]

It all bothers me. But if I was the sole person that close to a dying domesticated animal my first response would be to comfort it not film it. No matter what the animal, no matter what the circumstances.

 

[bluehorse]

I am anti hunt, but I support trail hunting if it‘s legally. I do not support the grey area in between. I have to say the footage on here today has been far more enlightening than seeing another fox or an unfortunately passing pet ripped to shreds. Hounds allowed to run to their death on a busy road. Horses ridden until they failed and couldn’t jump - hired out for the purpose. I’ve always hated the term hireling.

And people on here criticising the sabs for not sitting with the hound? Where the hell were the hunt staff? And how do you know that there weren’t others there that were ‘comforting’ the hound? At least they were there. Unlike their owners. People saying that hounds are domesticated are forgetting the argument that hunts put forward about shooting them - they are not domesticated and can’t be rehomec as pets so just get hauled out of the kennels and shot when they’re no good any more. There is footage of this too.

The days of hunting are numbered and I am glad. Utterly sickening.

 

[Millionwords]

Really?
You don't think it is awful that the hunt allowed their dog to stray into traffic?
You don't feel that it should have been the hunt sitting with the dog they allowed to be hit by a car?
You don't find it disgusting that they were obviously not following a pre laid scent?
You're not horrified that the hunt put peoples lives at risk?

None of that bothers you?
Because all of that bothers me.

I was going to post something similar to this, the sab WAS there, stroking the hound. I know how distressing the situation must have been (having sat with my own run over dog in her dying moments), but they are also trying to prove what goes on. They are bit by bit exposing hunts, and their awful behaviours, thanks to phones, cameras etc.

 

[Millionwords]

That dying hound video! I think it says so much that not one sab sat with that hound. I feel that any GENUINE animal lover would have sat with it and comforted it rather than filming an animal in its dying moments solely to promote their cause.

Sabs stopped the traffic, it was a sab with the hound stroking it. Hunts claim hounds aren't domestic pets

Where were the hunt? Were they comforting the hound? why were the hounds on a trail onto an A road?

 

[Sandstone1]

That dying hound video! I think it says so much that not one sab sat with that hound. I feel that any GENUINE animal lover would have sat with it and comforted it rather than filming an animal in its dying moments solely to promote their cause.

I am not sure which video you watched. In the one I saw a sab was stroking the hound and talking to it.
Any GENUINE animal lover would not put a animal in that position in the first place. What the HELL do the hunt think they are doing allowing animals on a busy road? They are lucky a person was not killed. I suggest instead of trying to blame sabs you question why they were on the road, why they had no control of hounds and why they think they are above the law!
It was a sab with the hound at the end, it was sabs who stopped the traffic and prevented a worse situation, What about the horse in the ditch? Was that sabs fault????
Some of the posts on here show what a skewed viewpoint some people have.
What about the video of bullying and body shaming? I guess there will be a excuse somewhere for constantly calling someone "Fatty" If a sab had done that to someone riding I can guess the uproar that would cause.
I am honestly so angry, upset and disgusted by this.

 

[Millionwords]

It always amazes me how the pro hunt (which i too was) will defend tooth and nail reasons for hunting, words "taken out of context", long winded explanations of surrounding issues, BUT
With the several unarguable incidents like this one, prosecutions, bullying footage, pet killing footage, assault footage...go very quiet.

They should be banging down the doors of their governing bodies, demanding hunts be suspended, rallying for change, forcing these "bad apples" (which there seem to be a Cartload of) out to stop the fall of the sport they support.

Yet they are quiet...hand wringing, hoping it will blow over, be forgotten, or blaming sabs and saying "yes, but...." is that the actions of those who continually claim to want change?


Speaks volumes.

Eta; not just here, but also in general.

 

[Sandstone1]

Blimmin' heck, who on earth would want to follow a pack who has such unpleasant d1cks following it, let alone the illegal hunting that they get up to.

Disgusting fat shaming comments from multiple individuals in Carry On film posh toff accents.

And I went to a very posh girls' boarding school and my cousin taught at Eton, so I'm sadly familiar with that utterly entitled attitude, which tbf is not ubiquitous amongst the product of a public school education.

Wtf are is the new hunting body doing letting that bunch of clowns still hunt?

At least Carry on films were funny in their way and time.
This whole thing is far from funny.

 

[Sandstone1]

It always amazes me how the pro hunt (which i too was) will defend tooth and nail reasons for hunting, words "taken out of context", long winded explanations of surrounding issues, BUT
With the several unarguable incidents like this one, prosecutions, bullying footage, pet killing footage, assault footage...go very quiet.

They should be banging down the doors of their governing bodies, demanding hunts be suspended, rallying for change, forcing these "bad apples" (which there seem to be a Cartload of) out to stop the fall of the sport they support.

Yet they are quiet...hand wringing, hoping it will blow over, be forgotten, or blaming sabs and saying "yes, but...." is that the actions of those who continually claim to want change?


Speaks volumes.

Eta; not just here, but also in general.

I completely agree. I have most of them on UI here because I have heard all the excuses before. " its sabs fault" " its pest control" " its tradition" " you do not understand country ways"
There is no excuse.
Its illegal
Its out dated
Its unnecessary
Its cruel
I could go on but whats the point.

 

[Clodagh]

I’m not sure you should mock people who have posh accents. If they were foreign accents or people of colour would you deride how they speak?

 

[ycbm]

I’m not sure you should mock people who have posh accents. If they were foreign accents or people of colour would you deride how they speak?

I don't see anyone mocking their accents, but stating they are "posh" accents and they are.

And it's very relevant, because one of the standard complaints against sabs is that they sab because they think only posh people do it. And there's a lengthy video of shameless bullying of a young female by a whole bunch of toff accented blokes strengthening that very prejudice.
.

 

[Clodagh]

I don't see anyone mocking their accents, but stating they are "posh" accents and they are.

And it's very relevant, because one of the standard complaints against sabs is that they sab because they think only posh people do it. And there's a lengthy video of shameless bullying of a young female by a whole bunch of toff accented blokes strengthening that very prejudice.
.

Carry on Film posh toff accents?
I’m not disagreeing that they are almost certainly very privileged rich people but thats kind of how they speak.

 

[ester]

IME english accents have always been fair game though (maybe they shouldn't have been) I'm a somersetian after all. I can do somerset or posh depending on company or quantity of alcohol consumed.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Indeed, it is how some posh 'county level' people, but by no means all of them, speak. I'm not mocking them, but it makes identifying them as toffs very easy. I posted as someone who could have easily acquired such an accent, but luckily did not.

It's long been a central mantra of the hard core pro hunt factions that the antis are in it because it's a class war against the perceived 'posh', and that their actions are nothing to do with animal welfare. Those thoroughly unpleasant posh male oiks, with their deliberately humiliating remarks to a female, play right up to the stereotype of the nasty posh pro hunting type.

The footage is an absolute gift to the antis.

 

[Clodagh]

I do agree that they are behaving in a deeply unpleasant way. But I don’t even think they are that posh ?.
(I’m not, btw, state school Essex education).

eta yes posh but not artificially so

 

[palo1]

Re; unpleasant behaviour and body shaming: not so long ago hunt sab pages ran a feature on 'hunt hags' - showing images of women hunters and voting for the most 'ugly'. I guess it was just 'banter'...Lots of hunters have been called fat and ugly and much worse too, in public but I guess that is ok - well it seems that it might be because I don't see any reference to those insults being deeply unpleasant when they have come from the other side. In 2016 anti hunting folk in some numbers took great pleasure in the death of child killed in an accident. Lots of comments like this one from Susan Cattrall 'Shame the hounds didn't rip her apart at the same time' . Her name is in the public domain for this comment. So, yeah, people behaving badly...

People being vile, stupid and provocative DOES happen on both sides. It's not ok but being stupid and grim isn't the preserve of hunters with a certain kind of accent...

 

[Clodagh]

Re; unpleasant behaviour and body shaming: not so long ago hunt sab pages ran a feature on 'hunt hags' - showing images of women hunters and voting for the most 'ugly'. I guess it was just 'banter'...Lots of hunters have been called fat and ugly and much worse too, in public but I guess that is ok - well it seems that it might be because I don't see any reference to those insults being deeply unpleasant when they have come from the other side. In 2016 anti hunting folk in some numbers took great pleasure in the death of child killed in an accident. Lots of comments like this one from Susan Cattrall 'Shame the hounds didn't rip her apart at the same time' . Her name is in the public domain for this comment. So, yeah, people behaving badly...

People being vile, stupid and provocative DOES happen on both sides. It's not ok but being stupid and grim isn't the preserve of hunters with a certain kind of accent...

I couldn’t be bothered with the whataboutery comments, but I completely agree with you. Yes it’s wrong on both sides but the sabs do, IMO, have the gold star for vile ‘banter’.

 

[Gallop_Away]

Re; unpleasant behaviour and body shaming: not so long ago hunt sab pages ran a feature on 'hunt hags' - showing images of women hunters and voting for the most 'ugly'. I guess it was just 'banter'...Lots of hunters have been called fat and ugly and much worse too, in public but I guess that is ok - well it seems that it might be because I don't see any reference to those insults being deeply unpleasant when they have come from the other side. In 2016 anti hunting folk in some numbers took great pleasure in the death of child killed in an accident. Lots of comments like this one from Susan Cattrall 'Shame the hounds didn't rip her apart at the same time' . Her name is in the public domain for this comment. So, yeah, people behaving badly...

People being vile, stupid and provocative DOES happen on both sides. It's not ok but being stupid and grim isn't the preserve of hunters with a certain kind of accent...

This is exactly why I have been sat on my hands for the last few comments. Sabs have no right to take the moral high ground when it comes to body shaming and vile comments. A quick look at their social media pages shows are happy to sling just as vile insults at people so don't really have much right to play victim here I'm afraid.

The nasty vindictive childish behaviour needs to stop on BOTH sides. The video is vile but I have seen sabs say the same to others. It all needs to stop.

As for the video of the dying hound, it's disgraceful and I found it deeply upsetting. How that hunt can claim to care about its hounds yet leave one dying at the side of a road is beyond me. Poor baby ?

 

[Dexter]

Re; unpleasant behaviour and body shaming: not so long ago hunt sab pages ran a feature on 'hunt hags' - showing images of women hunters and voting for the most 'ugly'. I guess it was just 'banter'...Lots of hunters have been called fat and ugly and much worse too, in public but I guess that is ok - well it seems that it might be because I don't see any reference to those insults being deeply unpleasant when they have come from the other side. In 2016 anti hunting folk in some numbers took great pleasure in the death of child killed in an accident. Lots of comments like this one from Susan Cattrall 'Shame the hounds didn't rip her apart at the same time' . Her name is in the public domain for this comment. So, yeah, people behaving badly...

People being vile, stupid and provocative DOES happen on both sides. It's not ok but being stupid and grim isn't the preserve of hunters with a certain kind of accent...

The difference is the sabs are savvy. They know what to do with things like this and it then blows up on social media.

 

[Miss_Millie]

Re; unpleasant behaviour and body shaming: not so long ago hunt sab pages ran a feature on 'hunt hags' - showing images of women hunters and voting for the most 'ugly'. I guess it was just 'banter'...Lots of hunters have been called fat and ugly and much worse too, in public but I guess that is ok - well it seems that it might be because I don't see any reference to those insults being deeply unpleasant when they have come from the other side. In 2016 anti hunting folk in some numbers took great pleasure in the death of child killed in an accident. Lots of comments like this one from Susan Cattrall 'Shame the hounds didn't rip her apart at the same time' . Her name is in the public domain for this comment. So, yeah, people behaving badly...

People being vile, stupid and provocative DOES happen on both sides. It's not ok but being stupid and grim isn't the preserve of hunters with a certain kind of accent...

Body shaming and hate speech is wrong on all accounts, period.

 

[Gallop_Away]

The difference is the sabs are savvy. They know what to do with things like this and it then blows up on social media.

Exactly and you'd think the twits in the footage would know this ?. Not only is it horrible but it's also playing right into sabs hands.

 

[Millionwords]

Re; unpleasant behaviour and body shaming: not so long ago hunt sab pages ran a feature on 'hunt hags' - showing images of women hunters and voting for the most 'ugly'. I guess it was just 'banter'...Lots of hunters have been called fat and ugly and much worse too, in public but I guess that is ok - well it seems that it might be because I don't see any reference to those insults being deeply unpleasant when they have come from the other side. In 2016 anti hunting folk in some numbers took great pleasure in the death of child killed in an accident. Lots of comments like this one from Susan Cattrall 'Shame the hounds didn't rip her apart at the same time' . Her name is in the public domain for this comment. So, yeah, people behaving badly...

People being vile, stupid and provocative DOES happen on both sides. It's not ok but being stupid and grim isn't the preserve of hunters with a certain kind of accent...

Noone should be doing it, but those past incidents are gone, hunts know how poor they are at maintaining their public image on sm. They know how GOOD sabs are. So why stoop to that level knowing that it'll be everywhere.

A. Because they don't care
B. Because they can't help themselves
C. Because they're too stupid to realise that its going to be everywhere
D. Because they think stooping to that level is okay "because sabs do it too"


Then bleat how horrible sabs are and how its not fair that they spread the footage.

If they cared, they'd either do better, or have the nouse to share similar from sabs.

Most responses to anything like this are "but sabs do it too".
Someone has to rise above it and do better, you'd think it would be those with the most to lose.

 

[Sandstone1]

The same old what about this what about that again.... So why were the hunt on a main road? why was a horse left injured in a ditch with its rider saying " Its just tired" Why was a hound left dying at the side of the road? The only people to stop and try to comfort it while taking its last breaths were sabs.
How people can continue to condone this so called " Sport" is really beyond me. Yes, for sure sabs will have their faults. However, they are not the ones on social media and in the press showing themselves up as bullies.

 

[YorksG]

The same old what about this what about that again.... So why were the hunt on a main road? why was a horse left injured in a ditch with its rider saying " Its just tired" Why was a hound left dying at the side of the road? The only people to stop and try to comfort it while taking its last breaths were sabs.
How people can continue to condone this so called " Sport" is really beyond me. Yes, for sure sabs will have their faults. However, they are not the ones on social media and in the press showing themselves up as bullies.

Re your last paragraph, I have seen sab pages on SM with photos of people on horses, eating, with captions such as "a pig on a horse" " fat woman can't manage to go without food for ten minutes" etc. So body shaming and misogynistic imo