Hunting is in a spot of bother

[ycbm]

No I don't think you have been rude on this thread and that's not what I meant. I was referring to people following hunts in real life. And then only to those I have happened across while I've been out & about, or those who have been past my house when I've been at home. And yes, in real life I have yet to meet anyone following a hunt who I would describe as polite. Foot/car followers mainly but the occasional person on a horse.
Maybe they don't realise how badly they come across, and maybe this is something you don't see if you are up in front with the hounds, but the hunt followers do a lot of damage to hunting's reputation.
I have yet to see a sab 'in the wild' so can't comment on them from my own experience.

Even hunting with drag hounds I'm sad to say that the behaviour of hunt officials and hunt followers frequently made me feel embarrassed for being part of it.

Palo, before you respond to this if you intend to, please be aware that your small local rural Welsh hunt bears no relation to hunting in Cheshire, particularly with respect to urban environments and the size of the mounted and non mounted field of followers.
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[palo1]

The video that was filmed of the Wynnstay is on the Cheshire Monitors Facebook page, unfortunately the witness was very intimidated and was too scared to give evidence, when the main footage can’t be used it seemed a strange decision to take it to court knowing the evidence would be dismissed. It’s extremely blatant hunting though.

The same Cheshire Monitors of which 8 were arrested for intimidating a young woman and of which at least 1 had form and a conviction for assault?

And this weekend East Northants Hunt Sabs vehicle was impounded because the driver had no licence and no insurance...Yes, the vehicle was taxed and MOT'd but still no licence or insurance for the driver. They are calling Police corruption of course.

 

[Koweyka]

The same Cheshire Monitors of which 8 were arrested for intimidating a young woman and of which at least 1 had form and a conviction for assault?

And this weekend East Northants Hunt Sabs vehicle was impounded because the driver had no licence and no insurance...Yes, the vehicle was taxed and MOT'd but still no licence or insurance for the driver. They are calling Police corruption of course.

No the Cheshire Monitors are a peaceful monitoring group you are very much mistaken.

Was it the East Kent Hunts terrier quads that were seized a week or so ago by the police for some sort of illegality…..

 

[Tiddlypom]

No, don't believe the absolute rot that Hunting for Truth spouts ?‍. You've been sold a lie.

The Cheshire Monitors are just that - law abiding and peaceful monitors. The sort that you have said that you have no problem with. They film but do not actively sab. They do, of course, annoy the illegal fox hunters hugely by spoiling their fun. They may be non violent, but they are very determined and very tenacious.

There are various sab groups in Cheshire, but the Cheshire Monitors are not them.

 

[Millionwords]

The same Cheshire Monitors of which 8 were arrested for intimidating a young woman and of which at least 1 had form and a conviction for assault?

And this weekend East Northants Hunt Sabs vehicle was impounded because the driver had no licence and no insurance...Yes, the vehicle was taxed and MOT'd but still no licence or insurance for the driver. They are calling Police corruption of course.

"But sabs..."

Makes the Wynnstays / whatever hunts illegal (enough for the police to be chasing prosecution) actions alright then

 

[Koweyka]

This huntsman is one of the most ruthless killers of foxes in the U.K.

 

[Koweyka]

I believe the Beaufort are also in court later this week.

 

[Millionwords]

This huntsman is one of the most ruthless killers of foxes in the U.K.

So, this legal trail they all bang on about.....

I'm amazed that any pro hunt expect even a single person to believe any of them when the most famous hunts who are watched by the most public aren't even trying to hide what they're doing. Why would the smaller hunts bother using a "trail"?

Prepare for silence from the hunting community in the hope it all blows over and the plebs forget about it.

 

[Koweyka]

So, this legal trail they all bang on about.....

I'm amazed that any pro hunt expect even a single person to believe any of them when the most famous hunts who are watched by the most public aren't even trying to hide what they're doing. Why would the smaller hunts bother using a "trail"?

Prepare for silence from the hunting community in the hope it all blows over and the plebs forget about it.

Exactly so many hunts are never watched, there aren’t enough of us, literally thousands of hunt days take place and anything could happen and who would know, nobody holds them accountable, though it’s very telling that when a hunt that is never monitored suddenly gets “visitors” they pack up and go home.

When you have hunts like the Warwickshire, Quorn, Beaufort the Ledbury still blatantly hunting despite being watched you would be extremely naive to claim all the others are behaving.

 

[sakura]

As much as people complain about sabs and monitors, at the end of the day, they won't be the downfall of the hunting that currently remains legal. Someone letting you know about a behaviour doesn't make them responsible for that behaviour - they are simply telling you of it.

The behaviour of sabs is another topic entirely, imo. It's not why hunting is in trouble. Hunting is in trouble because too many hunts cannot or will not change their behaviour and attitude to something the general public will support.

 

[Koweyka]

As much as people complain about sabs and monitors, at the end of the day, they won't be the downfall of the hunting that currently remains legal. Someone letting you know about a behaviour doesn't make them responsible for that behaviour - they are simply telling you of it.

The behaviour of sabs is another topic entirely, imo. It's not why hunting is in trouble. Hunting is in trouble because too many hunts cannot or will not change their behaviour and attitude to something the general public will support.

Hunts will be there own downfall, no wonder he punched a policewoman when she tried to seize his phone, some very disgusting stuff from him and different hunt masters regarding killing foxes on there.

 

[Millionwords]

Ive tried to screenshot in order, but the order doesnt really matter.

The punishment is pathetic, and wont put anyone off. Im positive that the him and HRSA are simply chuckling waiting for the next hunt day to come around to carry on.

 

[Millionwords]

As much as people complain about sabs and monitors, at the end of the day, they won't be the downfall of the hunting that currently remains legal. Someone letting you know about a behaviour doesn't make them responsible for that behaviour - they are simply telling you of it.

The behaviour of sabs is another topic entirely, imo. It's not why hunting is in trouble. Hunting is in trouble because too many hunts cannot or will not change their behaviour and attitude to something the general public will support.

THIS, A thousand times this.

 

[Koweyka]

Ive tried to screenshot in order, but the order doesnt really matter.

The punishment is pathetic, and wont put anyone off. Im positive that the him and HRSA are simply chuckling waiting for the next hunt day to come around to carry on.

The Cheshire Hunt almost lost a lot of land when they were on a killing spree several years ago, I wonder how the landowners feel that they have a convicted huntsman at the helm, I doubt it will be the last time Finnegan is in court.

 

[Tiddlypom]

ITV report up now. The police got hold of his phone, it was all on there in text messages.

FGS, I posted a few months ago that the masters of my local pack must have had a brain f@rt when they appointed their new huntsman for the current season. This is him ?.

Local pack have squandered the hard won reprieve they got from being sabbed and monitored that they achieved after switching to trail. The antis were, by and large, trusting them and leaving them alone. Now this. The antis will never buy it that he is trail hunting here.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-12-06...h-dogs-after-police-unearth-fox-hunting-texts

Magistrates said Finnegan had a “pattern of offending over a period of time”.

"Following the conviction, a spokesperson for the British Hound Sports Association (BHSA) said: "We can confirm that a current member of the BHSA has today pleaded guilty to illegal hunting on 7th January 2022, near Hartbury, Glos.

"This organisation does not condone illegal activity and the matter has been referred to the Hound Sports Regulatory Authority (HSRA) which is the regulatory body responsible for disciplinary matters."

 

[Miss_Millie]

Imagine thinking you're so untouchable that you openly talk about fox hunting on Whatsapp. A phone that could get lost or stolen, a message that could be forwarded to anyone at any time. A phone that could be seized by the police...?

Finnegan is either grossly arrogant or a bit thick. I'm going to guess both.

Trail hunting is on borrowed time.

 

[CrunchieBoi]

Did the thick twat not get the memo about using a different phone for bragging about your illegal hunting exploits? What a simpleton!

The other folk he was in touch with must have serious squeaky bum syndrome.

 

[Koweyka]

Did the thick twat not get the memo about using a different phone for bragging about your illegal hunting exploits? What a simpleton!

The other folk he was in touch with must have serious squeaky bum syndrome.

I suspect he was thrown under a bus by several masters and a guilty plea was damage limitation to stop even more evidence about the lie that is trail hunting.

 

[Millionwords]

Did the thick twat not get the memo about using a different phone for bragging about your illegal hunting exploits? What a simpleton!

The other folk he was in touch with must have serious squeaky bum syndrome.

Hes probably not thick, just arrogant and assuming he'll never be caught, the same as all the other people caught sending inappropriate things on WhatsApp...like the police.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I posted the below on 22 July of this year.

We've had a few seasons of blissful peace since then. But the masters have had a complete brain f@rt and have appointed for this season a new huntsman with a distinctly chequered past which will be like a red rag to a bull to the antis who have largely been leaving local pack alone recently.

Not looking forward to the new season here at all.

So today what does the freshly convicted illegal fox hunter do? Why, turn up at a meet and ride out as huntsman of my local pack as if nothing has happened. The antis are not impressed.

My misgivings from July were all too well founded. Wtf is the governing body of hunting doing allowing this farce?

 

[Millionwords]

I posted the below on 22 July of this year.



So today what does the freshly convicted illegal fox hunter do? Why, turn up at a meet and ride out as huntsman of my local pack as if nothing has happened. The antis are not impressed.

My misgivings from July were all too well founded. Wtf is the governing body of hunting doing allowing this farce?

Dont forget regulatory bodies are investigating.??
Ex Quorn whip is also in court this week with another huntsman too.

 

[teapot]

I see the Royal Artillery Hunt had some issues with sabs this morning

 

[Sossigpoker]

I see the Royal Artillery Hunt had some issues with sabs this morning

Sounds hilarious.

 

[dotty1]

I believe the Beaufort are also in court later this week.

The 2 day trial was dropped by the CPS the day before……..they continue to get away with blatant hunting…..how much evidence is needed!!

 

[Millionwords]

I see the Royal Artillery Hunt had some issues with sabs this morning

Because they're unusually aggressive and have been regularly filmed breaking the law and common decency.

 

[teapot]

Sounds hilarious.

Because they're unusually aggressive and have been regularly filmed breaking the law and common decency.

Failing to notice both that they were only on hound exercise this morning and trespass on MoD land is a big no no

 

[Millionwords]

Failing to notice both that they were only on hound exercise this morning and trespass on MoD land is a big no no

They can't complain that sabs have turned up given their previous behaviour.

"Aww its not fair, sabs have turned up when we're not breaking any rules even though we said we weren't....despite them having videos of our usual behaviour"

???

 

[Sossigpoker]

Tbh I have no idea who these jokers are and what they were hoping to achieve.
It's not something the groups I follow would do.
What exactly did that achieve apart from make them look silly?

 

[Millionwords]

This RA hunt? The huntsman himself fillmed chasing a fox when out hunting?
https://fb.watch/hkLmRawOMm/

 

[Sossigpoker]

This RA hunt? The huntsman himself fillmed chasing a fox when out hunting?
https://fb.watch/hkLmRawOMm/

Them and Avon Vale are horrendous, don't even pretend to within the law.