Hunting is in a spot of bother
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SilverLinings
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It's quite alarming really, especially as there seems to be a fair few that pop up on land the public has access to! With the widespread heather and gorse etc over large parts of both counties I'm not surprised they aren't seen until you're over one, you could probably hide all sorts in that landscape.
Regarding the hunts though, as I've posted before on this thread I'm certainly aware of a few hunts in devon that definitely don't lay a trail so I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this hunt didn't either. It would be interesting to know whether the shaft in question is already widely known about locally or not.
Regarding the hunts though, as I've posted before on this thread I'm certainly aware of a few hunts in devon that definitely don't lay a trail so I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this hunt didn't either. It would be interesting to know whether the shaft in question is already widely known about locally or not.
sakura
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Typical behaviour from the FBH.
Millionwords
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It looks like in a field? That doesn't answer the question though
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Millionwords
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Agricultural-University-students-strap-dead-fox-roof-car-charity-rallyI'd imagine these agricultural students support hunting given this stunt.
Apologies for linking the rag mail.
Apologies for linking the rag mail.
SilverLinings
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The RAG (now RAU) seem to attract/cultivate a lot of young people with very dubious moral compasses: The Times printed an expose a couple of years ago about the significant (even for students) levels of drink and drug use, and reported some appalling stories of sexual harassment and assault of female students. A friend's daughter changed colleges six months after starting due to the behaviour of male students. I'm not surprised about the story you linked to, unfortunately.
Burnttoast
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Ah, the future custodians of the countryside.... always heartening to see such respect for our native wildlife.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Releasing a bagged fox to be hunted is so heinous and blatant a crime that even the apathetic and complicit MFHA (as was) took action when the Seavington Hunt were covertly filmed doing just that in March '22. The huntsman later pleaded guilty in court.
The British Hound Sports Association said: “In March the Masters of Foxhounds Association (MFHA) was made aware of a serious incident involving the Seavington Hunt.
"The MFHA unequivocally condemned this behaviour which was wholly unacceptable and would not be tolerated by any of the hunting associations. The MFHA committee immediately suspended the hunt and revoked the membership of its Master. Following a police interview the huntsman left the employment of the hunt.
"The hunt remains suspended from the British Hound Sports Association, the new governing body for hunting with hounds, until a full enquiry is carried out by the Hound Sports Regulatory Authority, the new regulatory body that is responsible for disciplinary matters. This will take place following the conclusion of the legal process."
The British Hound Sports Association said: “In March the Masters of Foxhounds Association (MFHA) was made aware of a serious incident involving the Seavington Hunt.
"The MFHA unequivocally condemned this behaviour which was wholly unacceptable and would not be tolerated by any of the hunting associations. The MFHA committee immediately suspended the hunt and revoked the membership of its Master. Following a police interview the huntsman left the employment of the hunt.
"The hunt remains suspended from the British Hound Sports Association, the new governing body for hunting with hounds, until a full enquiry is carried out by the Hound Sports Regulatory Authority, the new regulatory body that is responsible for disciplinary matters. This will take place following the conclusion of the legal process."
Miss_Millie
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That's absolutely disgusting. What the hell is wrong with some people.
Miss_Millie
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I'm so fed up of this s**t.
paddy555
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lots around here and many very difficult to see with the widespread gorse. None of them mapped. We often ride through them. Endless tourists walk through them just following the tracks. I doubt many know they are there.
rabatsa
Confuddled
If hunts are going to break the law by hunting foxes, why use a bagged fox when there are so many wild ones about?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
You'd bloomin well hope that bagged foxes were a false myth put out by the antis, but sadly no. See the Seavington Hunt.
If it can be proved with solid evidence that that is what happened recently at the Meynell then I hope that the book is thrown at them by the courts. The hunt were being heavily sabbed at the time according to the sab reports so it beggars belief that they'd release a bagged fox under all that scrutiny.
If it can be proved with solid evidence that that is what happened recently at the Meynell then I hope that the book is thrown at them by the courts. The hunt were being heavily sabbed at the time according to the sab reports so it beggars belief that they'd release a bagged fox under all that scrutiny.
Clodagh
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As a pro hunter BITD I find the hunting of a bagged fox a totally despicable crime. I’ve only seen it done once, when hunting was legal, and it was completely obvious, the poor thing could hardly move and had no idea where it was or which way to run. I can’t see why anyone would find that an interesting spectacle.
I know many people wouldn’t find a wild, healthy, fit and local fox being hunted sporting either but bagged foxes are just sick and I’ve no idea why anyone would stoop to do it.
I know many people wouldn’t find a wild, healthy, fit and local fox being hunted sporting either but bagged foxes are just sick and I’ve no idea why anyone would stoop to do it.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Because they aren't in the right places to provide good cross country riding opportunities.
Which gives the lie to the suggestion that it;s all about the sport of watching the hounds hunt.
Clodagh
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It really always was for me. I appreciate not for many.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I know clodagh. I hope you believe me when i say that I do feel for you losing a sport you loved.
Millionwords
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Good news!
Hounds were rescued
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/dogs-rescued-after-falling-porkellis-8123356
Koweyka
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Koweyka
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I have no words for the ITV clip.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
That is utterly sickening. We all know that it goes on, but there it is filmed in close up. The evil delighted cackles of the people who were present 
. I wonder how the footage was made public, it seemed to be filmed by a hunt supporter? ETA The person filming is calling the hounds by their names and waving a hunt whip, he seems to be part of the team digging the foxes out.
A statement from the BHSA reads: "The British Hound Sports Association (BHSA) was yesterday, Tuesday 7th February, given footage of activities of the Avon Vale Hunt which would appear to contravene the Core Principles of the BHSA, and possibly the law.
"The hunt, and individuals within the hunt, were immediately suspended from all hunting activities. The Hound Sports Regulatory Authority were informed, and the hunt has been asked to appear before a disciplinary panel on Thursday 9th February.
. I wonder how the footage was made public, it seemed to be filmed by a hunt supporter? ETA The person filming is calling the hounds by their names and waving a hunt whip, he seems to be part of the team digging the foxes out.A statement from the BHSA reads: "The British Hound Sports Association (BHSA) was yesterday, Tuesday 7th February, given footage of activities of the Avon Vale Hunt which would appear to contravene the Core Principles of the BHSA, and possibly the law.
"The hunt, and individuals within the hunt, were immediately suspended from all hunting activities. The Hound Sports Regulatory Authority were informed, and the hunt has been asked to appear before a disciplinary panel on Thursday 9th February.
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Clodagh
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I wonder if someone wasn’t quite as supportive as they seemed? Surely if you are going to do that you’d request everyone put their phones away? It makes it even more wrong that it was deemed enough of a spectacle that it was filmed.That is utterly sickening. We all know that it goes on, but there it is filmed in close up. The evil delighted cackles of the people who were present
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
I'm presuming that the footage was shared on line to be gloated over and someone who has viewed it has quite rightly shopped them in. I hope that whoever did the shopping in is safe, there's going to be some rather angry members of the Avon Vale Hunt about.
Miss_Millie
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Imagine thinking you are so above the law, that you upload a video to social media of you and others blatantly breaking it, for all to see
I honestly don't understand how anyone can support hunting anymore - even those who enjoy legally trail hunting must be able to see that the majority of those who hunt ARE hunting illegally and have complete contempt for the law?
Even if I loved the things that many pro-hunt people claim to love - watching hounds work, travelling at speed on horseback through beautiful countryside etc, I would not be able to sleep at night if I associated with people who 1. Think they are above the law and 2. Clearly enjoy terrorising and killing wildlife. I would be completely embarrassed and ashamed to be friends or even acquaintances with such people.
I am praying for the day when hunting is finally completely banned, because until it is, incidents like these aren't going to stop.
Koweyka
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You would be amazed what is shared online on pro hunt pages, we have several badger baiting convictions because of arrogance in sharing the footage.
Miss_Millie
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I just want to add that I am forever bemused by people from the countryside with a superiority complex who gate keep rural living as if they are guardians of the land, whilst their hobbies involve terrorising the wildlife and showing no respect for nature whatsoever. The mind boggles.
Millionwords
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There are no words for how sickening this is, and how every single person in that clip, including the mounted field are complicit.
I'm sure they'd deny any wrong doing though.
CrunchieBoi
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I think only the most deluded would now attempt to deny the widespread criminality within trail hunting.
The new governing body are clearly not interested in encouraging legal trail hunting.
Time for them all to be shut down.
The new governing body are clearly not interested in encouraging legal trail hunting.
Time for them all to be shut down.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Btw, the practice of digging up foxes which had gone to ground in the presence of the waiting pack was banned by the MFHA's own rules well before the Hunting Act came into force. Hounds had to be moved well away from the site of the dig.
I remember reading about it somewhere in Michael Clayton (former editor of Horse and Hound)'s memoirs The Ride Of My Life:Memoirs of a Sporting Editor.
I remember reading about it somewhere in Michael Clayton (former editor of Horse and Hound)'s memoirs The Ride Of My Life:Memoirs of a Sporting Editor.
Clodagh
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When I was hunting if a fox was bolted it was always with the hounds out of sight and at a distance. I wonder if the ‘it’s all illegal now’ is making the f*tards more stupid? Not condoning it in any way. But like legal coursing is now not a legal thing the hare is still coursed illegally but not now given fair lead.