I haven't seen any clear information about it yet, but I suspect that the gov't will go the whole hog and ban any situation where hunting could 'accidentally' take place, and that is likely to include drag hunting. The trail hunting debacle has shown that the lawless hunts will take on any guise that allows them to continue hunting illegally. I hope I am wrong, but I'm not sure how the wording could be made so watertight that drag hunting could continue without any risk of it being used as a cover by some people.I'm still struggling to work out if trail hunting includes true drag, or do they mean the so-called trail hunting that the traditional hunts do? In any case, presumably the drag hunts can continue without the hounds if they don't lay a trail but just follow the master.
Woman tells court how she saw 'hounds savage fox in her garden'
Four men deny all charges relating to fox hunts in Hingham and Tittleshall, Norfolk, in 2023.www.bbc.co.uk
Wow that is pretty desperate"Stephen Welford, defending all four men, suggested that what Ms Field had described as a pack of hounds had been a flock of sheep."
Oh.my.dog."Stephen Welford, defending all four men, suggested that what Ms Field had described as a pack of hounds had been a flock of sheep."
I completely agree with your first paragraph, but not so sure about the second one. I have lived in several counties where the majority of the hunts are run by farmers or other working people, and the field is full of various locals, none of whom are upper class or rich. I have also lived near very wealthy hunts, but I don't think the majority are like that, and haven't been for a long time. I suppose that perception is possibly more important than reality for the press and general public though, and large numbers of them seem to think that anyone who owns a horse is rich and posh, so I can see why that opinion extends to hunting.A total ban would be a big relief. No matter what people's views are on killing foxes, we're far too populated of a country now for a pack of dogs to be running loose. Every year there are pet deaths - usually cats but also horses, alpacas and livestock. Hunts seem to have little to no control of their dogs, causing near traffic accidents and deaths of dogs on train lines, roads etc. It's only a matter of time before there is a human fatality and the lack of respect for the law is just astounding.
It has been pointed out many a time that it would have been banned forever ago, were this a working class sport with its main participants living on a council estate.
It definitely needs to stop now, under the current rules it is just being used as a cover for organised unchecked law-breaking on a regular basis. It is a form of organised crime. It is a shame that legitimate trail hunting can't continue as it's enjoyable for many and preserves much of the tradition, but that has been prevented by those who arrogantly chose to break the law (over and over and over again).
Is that why they race home?? Oh my dog that's so sadI guess taking a bird hundreds of miles away from home when his partners eggs are due to hatch at any time?
I used to race pigeons in my youth.
Its a bit different when probably 80% are using trail hunting as a smokescreen.I’m struggling to think of any other example where we ban a perfectly harmless thing because some people doing it break the law. We don’t ban shopping because some people shoplift, or driving because some speed. It’s a dodgy basis for any law (not that it will make a difference sadly).
Fair point but not drag hunts.Its a bit different when probably 80% are using trail hunting as a smokescreen.
I can not speak for drag hunts as we do not have one in the area. we do however have a "" Trail hunt"" who do most certainly and obviously use it to hunt and kill foxes as well as causing disruption on the roads, upsetting livestock and killing pets.Fair point but not drag hunts.
Fair point but not drag hunts.
No, they race home because they have a homing instinct. And like sheep dogs have been bred for years for that instinct.Is that why they race home?? Oh my dog that's so sad
Will it really though? I'm not sure it will go down because drag hunters haven't taken the moral high ground (and absolutely, they should). I think it will be because both types are tarred with the same brush, mostly though ignorance of the difference between the two.No, but if they do go down it will be partly because they didn't speak up against what they knew was going on in the trail hunts.
No, they race home because they have a homing instinct. And like sheep dogs have been bred for years for that instinct.
Also it is massive anthropomorphisation to attribute a desire to "be home when their partner lays her eggs" to a bird, which is complete rubbish and completely detrimental to any rational discussions of animal welfare.
Their having a strong homing instinct doesn't make exploiting it for fun any more (or at all) ethical. Racing pigeons frequently meet unpleasant fates on their way home or are found exhausted by members of the public. In the same vein my neighbour's collie was run over by a bike as a puppy and has had MSK problems all his life - while she's a brilliant owner who spends a huge amount of time and effort balancing his physical abilities with his mental needs, the fact that he has a strong drive is a real drawback for him given that his body can't really stand up to it. Breeding these strong drives into animals and then exploiting them could be considered really dubious ethically.No, they race home because they have a homing instinct. And like sheep dogs have been bred for years for that instinct.
Also it is massive anthropomorphisation to attribute a desire to "be home when their partner lays her eggs" to a bird, which is complete rubbish and completely detrimental to any rational discussions of animal welfare.
I'm not sure on what grounds people are questioning pigeon racing but if that is banned before the factory farming of chickens, it goes to show how totally out of touch with reality people are.
So really only pet dogs should be bred? That’s not meant to sound unduly aggressive but if you are going to do any sport with a dog it needs drive.Their having a strong homing instinct doesn't make exploiting it for fun any more (or at all) ethical. Racing pigeons frequently meet unpleasant fates on their way home or are found exhausted by members of the public. In the same vein my neighbour's collie was run over by a bike as a puppy and has had MSK problems all his life - while she's a brilliant owner who spends a huge amount of time and effort balancing his physical abilities with his mental needs, the fact that he has a strong drive is a real drawback for him given that his body can't really stand up to it. Breeding these strong drives into animals and then exploiting them could be considered really dubious ethically.
I guess it comes down to how willing anyone is to use an animal as sporting equipment. We may admire them physically or for their abilities, but we don't have to live in their bodies/heads. When the drive becomes a welfare issue for whatever reason it's the animal that has to suffer for it, even though it doesn't understand *why*. And the stronger the drive, the more likely it will be to cause problems in less than optimum circumstances. I'm only wondering. In a person 'drive' might be considered pathological, almost.So really only pet dogs should be bred? That’s not meant to sound unduly aggressive but if you are going to do any sport with a dog it needs drive.
Are you ok with agility? Scentwork?
I think racing pigeons are things of beauty. So sleek and physically perfect.