If I were to consider breeding a foal

[LadyGascoyne]

MC I haven't seen an Arab like that for years, he's lovely! I went off Arabs quite a bit about 10-15yrs ago when locally all I started to see were ones with the more extreme seahorse heads (apologies to anyone who likes them but I really don't), but I really love the more old fashioned type of stamp with the less extreme dish to the face. One of the Connemara's I have now has a very high % of desert-bred Arab blood (introduced into the breed 1890's-1920's ish) and looks very much like the pictures of one of Lady Wentworth's Arab stallions back in the 1920s/30s. I am planning to look for something with a higher % of Arab blood the next time I buy, but having seen the stallion above I would consider full Arab if it looked like that!

Sorry LG for going off-topic, although I will add that Mim is absolutely lovely, and your posts about her (and the pictures of some of the Arabs owned by other HHOers) have definitely made me interested in Arabs again .

That’s the one I like the most at the moment! He’s lovely.

 

[Clodagh]

I think if you don’t mind too much about the end result you’d really enjoy it. I loved my foal.
Embryo transfer is very intrusive for the mare, are you sure you would not prefer Mim to have the fun bit too? ( I mean raising the foal).

 

[LadyGascoyne]

I think if you don’t mind too much about the end result you’d really enjoy it. I loved my foal.
Embryo transfer is very intrusive for the mare, are you sure you would not prefer Mim to have the fun bit too? ( I mean raising the foal).

I suppose it’s just the risk to her. I think she’d be an excellent mum. I just worry about putting her at that risk because of something I want.

 

[ihatework]

I’ve always liked Handassa, he is a proper stamp of Arab. I’d like one day to be brave enough to inject something like that into my future bloodlines.

If you are thinking Iberian there is this up at Twemlows you could keep and eye on - just bear in mind I know beggar all about what makes a good pre stallion.
http://stallionai.co.uk/stallions/eclipse-ces/

 

[TheMule]

I think if you don’t mind too much about the end result you’d really enjoy it. I loved my foal.
Embryo transfer is very intrusive for the mare, are you sure you would not prefer Mim to have the fun bit too? ( I mean raising the foal).

It's really not very intrusive for the mare- it's a hell of a lot less intrusive than her having it herself! It's also takes the risk out for a precious mare.
You need to scan for ovulation timing but then it's just a uterine flush.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

MC I haven't seen an Arab like that for years, he's lovely! I went off Arabs quite a bit about 10-15yrs ago when locally all I started to see were ones with the more extreme seahorse heads (apologies to anyone who likes them but I really don't), but I really love the more old fashioned type of stamp with the less extreme dish to the face. One of the Connemara's I have now has a very high % of desert-bred Arab blood (introduced into the breed 1890's-1920's ish) and looks very much like the pictures of one of Lady Wentworth's Arab stallions back in the 1920s/30s. I am planning to look for something with a higher % of Arab blood the next time I buy, but having seen the stallion above I would consider full Arab if it looked like that!

Sorry LG for going off-topic, although I will add that Mim is absolutely lovely, and your posts about her (and the pictures of some of the Arabs owned by other HHOers) have definitely made me interested in Arabs again .

No offence taken. From a seahorse headed arab owner.

 

[Clodagh]

ET is not that much more expensive when done right. Both times my


It's really not very intrusive for the mare- it's a hell of a lot less intrusive than her having it herself! It's also takes the risk out for a precious mare.
You need to scan for ovulation timing but then it's just a uterine flush.

Fair enough, good to know. I always thought it was endless scans and injections.

 

[SilverLinings]

No offence taken. From a seahorse headed arab owner. View attachment 90034

Your horses all sound lovely MC, and what you've posted about them and their personalities is also part of why I started considering Arabs again. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone, it's just my aesthetic preference (towards the Connie/TB/traditional Arab types), all horses are lovely but when I'm buying I am drawn to a particular type. I suppose the world would be boring if we all liked exactly the same things!

 

[HashRouge]

Gosh, Handassa is smashing! What a good looking horse!!

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I've got a bit of a seahorse

 

[Clodagh]

I asked my old fashioned Arab breeding friend and she said…
There are the Shadwell stud frozen semen they are selling off cheap...mostly racing/French breeding but Vasilisk is Old Russian. Also look on the AHS premium stallion list http://www.ahs-premium.org.uk/

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Who was it on here that posted a fair bit previously, that's in France and breeds Shagya Arabs?

 

[LadyGascoyne]

I asked my old fashioned Arab breeding friend and she said…
There are the Shadwell stud frozen semen they are selling off cheap...mostly racing/French breeding but Vasilisk is Old Russian. Also look on the AHS premium stallion list http://www.ahs-premium.org.uk/

Oh that’s brilliant. This year will be my year if investigating and due diligence. And Mim’s year of shows, fun rides and hacking. Next year would be baby plans, if all tests check out.

 

[LadyGascoyne]

@The Fuzzy Furry I love shagyas, I remember the the posts but not the name I

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Who was it on here that posted a fair bit previously, that's in France and breeds Shagya Arabs?

She's on Facebook, as RaceRare Cleveland Bays and Shagya Arabians, has had a good amount of SJ success with her lovely big grey Arab mare.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

@The Fuzzy Furry I love shagyas, I remember the the posts but not the name I

I think it might have been Rollin but am on phone without specs, worth a search tho x

 

[Cloball]

I don't know who the vlaq stud use but they usually have some lovely tall chestnut Arabs and partnered Arabs.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I don't know who the vlaq stud use but they usually have some lovely tall chestnut Arabs and partnered Arabs.

They breed some lovely Arab's so does Coombe farm he uses a lot of the old English and Polish lines, thing is the crabbet arabs tend to be smaller or most of the ones I know of are.

 

[Hackback]

They breed some lovely Arab's so does Coombe farm he uses a lot of the old English and Polish lines, thing is the crabbet arabs tend to be smaller or most of the ones I know of are.

Yes, I'm torn because I love Crabbets - they are the Arabian horse of my childhood books and dreams - but they don't seem to come in tall sizes, although they are strong and sturdy to make up for it.

While I really like the look of Handassa, in my eyes he is more like a thoroughbred than an Arab in his quarters, although I think he is French and that this is typical of a French Arab? Perhaps that type would suit me better, as I am quite tall, but I am just a sucker for a Crabbet!

 

[Cortez]

MC I haven't seen an Arab like that for years, he's lovely! I went off Arabs quite a bit about 10-15yrs ago when locally all I started to see were ones with the more extreme seahorse heads (apologies to anyone who likes them but I really don't), but I really love the more old fashioned type of stamp with the less extreme dish to the face. One of the Connemara's I have now has a very high % of desert-bred Arab blood (introduced into the breed 1890's-1920's ish) and looks very much like the pictures of one of Lady Wentworth's Arab stallions back in the 1920s/30s. I am planning to look for something with a higher % of Arab blood the next time I buy, but having seen the stallion above I would consider full Arab if it looked like that!

Sorry LG for going off-topic, although I will add that Mim is absolutely lovely, and your posts about her (and the pictures of some of the Arabs owned by other HHOers) have definitely made me interested in Arabs again .

Blimey, I don't know what you're seeing there, but that horse has the worst hind end/croup I've ever seen on an Arab (or other breed for that matter).

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Yes, I'm torn because I love Crabbets - they are the Arabian horse of my childhood books and dreams - but they don't seem to come in tall sizes, although they are strong and sturdy to make up for it.

While I really like the look of Handassa, in my eyes he is more like a thoroughbred than an Arab in his quarters, although I think he is French and that this is typical of a French Arab? Perhaps that type would suit me better, as I am quite tall, but I am just a sucker for a Crabbet!

I like the crabbet arabs the only tall one I ever knew was a mare my friend owned She was Ashlings bred by Sheila in Essex they don't breed anymore but she was a beautiful rose grey and 15.2 she was quite fine though.

Most of the others I know are short and stocky looking Jean Peck bred some lovely crabbets alot where champions in the ring.

I do think a lot of the older Polish lines are similar to some crabbet types they are generally a bigger more substantial horse.

My 2 are are Russian Polish one is barely 15 hands and stocky the other is 15.2 and finer, both closely related and come from show lines but they are probably classed as old fashioned types now compared to what they breed now.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Blimey, I don't know what you're seeing there, but that horse has the worst hind end/croup I've ever seen on an Arab (or other breed for that matter).

I must admit I'm not a fan of that one either.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Yes, I'm torn because I love Crabbets - they are the Arabian horse of my childhood books and dreams - but they don't seem to come in tall sizes, although they are strong and sturdy to make up for it.

While I really like the look of Handassa, in my eyes he is more like a thoroughbred than an Arab in his quarters, although I think he is French and that this is typical of a French Arab? Perhaps that type would suit me better, as I am quite tall, but I am just a sucker for a Crabbet!

I find the bigger boned wide type do take up your leg and Silvern Rislam was high percentage crabett and only 14.1 Darren Crowe won everything with him under saddle and I really don't think he looked big on him.

 

[LadyGascoyne]

Oh it’s so annoying to have to retype this constantly because of bug at the moment

@Cortez @Pinkvboots

I agree his hind end does let him down. But he has raced successfully so there must be some power in it.

He has an athleticism that Mim doesn’t have but agreed there is a lot of thoroughbredyness (new word) about him

 

[Cortez]

Are you planning on racing, or going very fast?

 

[Equi]

Oh it’s so annoying to have to retype this constantly because of bug at the moment

@Cortez @Pinkvboots

I agree his hind end does let him down. But he has raced successfully so there must be some power in it.

He has an athleticism that Mim doesn’t have but agreed there is a lot of thoroughbredyness (new word) about him

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I’d say he pulls a lot with the front though. Arnie at the front but not so much in the hind.

 

[LadyGascoyne]

Still struggling to post but @Cortez

Mim has the tiniest canter strides so a bit more reach wouldn’t go amiss.

@Equi may well be the case.

I’ve looked at his sires conformation and it is similar in the hind end. May be a deal breaker.

 

[Cortez]

Still struggling to post but @Cortez

Mim has the tiniest canter strides so a bit more reach wouldn’t go amiss.

Unless you plan to go racing, using that as a guide isn't a lot of use. Race horses are not designed for riding, they're made to go extremely fast, on the forehand, that's all. You need a sire with a big, open frame and balanced conformation, fore and aft.

 

[Hackback]

@Cortez @Pinkvboots

I agree his hind end does let him down. But he has raced successfully so there must be some power in it.

He has an athleticism that Mim doesn’t have but agreed there is a lot of thoroughbredyness (new word) about him

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I agree but there's a reason TBs are the shape they are, so it makes sense that horses bred for racing will gravitate towards the same body type. It's just a different type, not necessarily wrong and it may be what you are looking for for Mim. My friend who has bred a lot in the past always says you should look at the offspring, not just the sire.

 

[LadyGascoyne]

Unless you plan to go racing, using that as a guide isn't a lot of use. Race horses are not designed for riding, they're made to go extremely fast, on the forehand, that's all. You need a sire with a big, open frame and balanced conformation, fore and aft.

I’d be happy to breed a large hack type from Mim, and many of them are very Thoroughbredy. I was thinking of an Anglo Arab but there aren’t too many about right now.

I will keep looking but everything is very small in the purebred Arab category.

I agree but there's a reason TBs are the shape they are, so it makes sense that horses bred for racing will gravitate towards the same body type. It's just a different type, not necessarily wrong and it may be what you are looking for for Mim. My friend who has bred a lot in the past always says you should look at the offspring, not just the sire.