Ladyinred
Well-Known Member
No response to my polite email enquiry, asking why I have been banned.
Funny that I did the same and had no reply.
No response to my polite email enquiry, asking why I have been banned.
There is a lot of twaddle posted on every forum discussing Intelligent Horsemanship. Most of the posters are making judgements based on one incident - and most posters have no idea of what IH or nh is!! Most posters are basing their judgements on learner horsemen or prejudiced media reports......
The pot calling the kettle black, Alyth?
(shrug) I don't see the point in hanging around where you're not wanted. There's no law that says that forum owners have to let everybody be a member. It's only the internet.
I've learnt a lot and I've moved on but I've never changed my mind about MR, not from when I first saw a video of his when I was at uni in about '98. I didn't like him then, I thought he was a liar, and I think the same now.
Interesting to see you on the IHDG post, attempting and failing to stir things up. And you're making a huge assumption, that our misgivings are based on lack of understanding of your "IH"/"NH" beliefs/training methods/allegiance. Personally, my distaste is based on many things, but primarily, the marketing of age-old methods as having been devised and invented by one individual.There is a lot of twaddle posted on every forum discussing Intelligent Horsemanship. Most of the posters are making judgements based on one incident - and most posters have no idea of what IH or nh is!! Most posters are basing their judgements on learner horsemen or prejudiced media reports......
The pot calling the kettle black, Alyth?
It seems to us that Bridget Hughes (typing) and Monty went to a great deal of effort to give you a detailed reply. Rather than any form of thank you they received:-
"Verbiage"?! Offensive, and inaccurate. If he's on about this thread. Particularly when taking into account the length of this "statement"! Still doesn't make much sense. He says it, plain as day. I think perhaps what he meant was the stage play used what he'd written, to make the fake horse realistic. Still, if that is the case, it's one aspect of the stage production.
"But it was in 2008 that they wrote this play, based on the books that I have written".
His words are at very best misleading, and unclear. But clearly it's not ok to question!"
The 'verbiage' Monty spoke about was on his own website. You didn't take the time to read the explanation or hear his apology for how he originally expressed himself. IHDGs members have generally expressed that they don't wish to feel they are going to be 'under attack' over any little comment they make. We are quite sure you will find far more suitable forums to suit your personality and we wish you well on them.
The same could be said for you, and this thread. I don't feel your response represents the majority view. Many expressed an interest as to whether I received a response to my email enquiry. Now do get to bed. I'm sure you have "groudwork" to do in the morning.Oh my goodness is this thread still going on. Noobs31, get over it, don't you have some Christmas Presents to wrap or something to take your mind off the great insult.
^^^And as for those who proclaim, if you don't like it, don't go there, leave us to it...I for one would, if it weren't for the vast number of perfectly good horses who are messed up and/or written off due to "natural horsemanship" methods. The entire idea of a "problem horse" has been generated by this machine. Whilst they retain as their motto that "there are no problem horses, only owners". They make insidious amounts of cash by marketing quick fixes which they sell at obscenely high prices. The problem of the novice owner is a new one, and awfully bad news for the horse. They seek not to fix it, but to capitalise. Monty is an awfully rich man. He's not selfless. Just go and read the IHDG (those of us who are not banned, obviously) and every day you'll see some poor person "giving up", because they've bought the gadgets, books and DVDs and things are still unimproved.
If I thought for one second, that horse welfare were at the forefront of any of their minds, I'd capitulate. Good grief, how many of us turn up to help a less experienced friend with our hair flowing free and our shirts knotted at the waist?! Sheesh!
I strongly agree with this point and add this applies to any training/thinking you follow. We must take responsibility for our own actions, learning and choices, not enter the blame culture...I do feel its unfair to blame monty for every idiot that gets it wrong in his name.
£25 for years membership/£25 for a ticket to see Monty- the man who the Horse and Hound (through the rider) credited for the success of the Supreme Horse of the Year 2012 Plus the Derby Winner wore his Monty Roberts Stalling Stalls blanket. No wonder noobs sounds bitter if she feels £25 is a fortune. You don't have to be a raving fan or even personally like this person who got the award from the Queen to think he must have some useful knowlege that would be worth £25? How much does one pay for a lesson from a recently qualified BHSAI instuctor nowadays?
Perhaps noobs is secretly working for him to flag up interest in his February tour?!
Interesting that you should ascribe that motive to me.Interesting to see you on the IHDG post, attempting and failing to stir things up.
Sorry, you lost me there - I can't see what relevance my own beliefs could possibly have in this matter. And my "allegiance"?? I'd like to hear what you think it is (by pm if you like)!And you're making a huge assumption, that our misgivings are based on lack of understanding of your "IH"/"NH" beliefs/training methods/allegiance.
I'm not a follower of the whole ih, nh thing, & I do think on a individual basis that monty himself is becoming slightly less in touch with reality as years pass. Personally I think that a lot of things claimed to be his methods are just very old-fashioned good horsemanship, & I use them anyway. I'm not a fan of join up & I don't like the marketing ploy of ih/nh. Or the fact everything is promoted as kind. Eg my personal bug bear the dually. Lots of fools going round socking horses noses, not having a clue how they work. Of course stallion chains & chifneys are just as bad in the wrong hands, but unlike duallys aren't promoted as kind, so the average well meaning novice doesn't just use them wily nily, thinking they are mild.
However, I don't think its fair to blame monty for every idiot who practices in his name. Our local idiot worships Kelly marks. And attributes everything she does to km. Eg km said to do this, km said you shouldn't do that, despite never having done more than read a book. Imo that doesn't make km a fool, just the lady who follows her. And its no different to any other method. I've met idiots who fancy themselves as dressage riders, & whack doubles on green horses to get an outline. That doesn't mean Carl hester etc are all misguided, just the idiot that blindly thinks holding a horses head in is dressage. And whilst monty does have a cult like following, that imo should have the negative aspects as widely promoted as the positive, I do feel its unfair to blame monty for every idiot that gets it wrong in his name.
The same could be said for you, and this thread. I don't feel your response represents the majority view. Many expressed an interest as to whether I received a response to my email enquiry. Now do get to bed. I'm sure you have "groudwork" to do in the morning.
Excellent post.I'm not a follower of the whole ih, nh thing, & I do think on a individual basis that monty himself is becoming slightly less in touch with reality as years pass. Personally I think that a lot of things claimed to be his methods are just very old-fashioned good horsemanship, & I use them anyway. I'm not a fan of join up & I don't like the marketing ploy of ih/nh. Or the fact everything is promoted as kind. Eg my personal bug bear the dually. Lots of fools going round socking horses noses, not having a clue how they work. Of course stallion chains & chifneys are just as bad in the wrong hands, but unlike duallys aren't promoted as kind, so the average well meaning novice doesn't just use them wily nily, thinking they are mild.
However, I don't think its fair to blame monty for every idiot who practices in his name. Our local idiot worships Kelly marks. And attributes everything she does to km. Eg km said to do this, km said you shouldn't do that, despite never having done more than read a book. Imo that doesn't make km a fool, just the lady who follows her. And its no different to any other method. I've met idiots who fancy themselves as dressage riders, & whack doubles on green horses to get an outline. That doesn't mean Carl hester etc are all misguided, just the idiot that blindly thinks holding a horses head in is dressage. And whilst monty does have a cult like following, that imo should have the negative aspects as widely promoted as the positive, I do feel its unfair to blame monty for every idiot that gets it wrong in his name.
I strongly agree with this point and add this applies to any training/thinking you follow. We must take responsibility for our own actions, learning and choices, not enter the blame culture...
But that analogy does not stand up. Monty/Kelly and their affiliates are selling a training method. Hester is an athlete at the top of his discipline. The former are making promises and cash, the latter is competing at the top of his game. And most importantly, those who have quoted this as an "excellent post" have reinforced my idea that "IH" (or whatever the "correct" term or acronym is, and with this I include all the massively marketed "natural" methods) is indeed cultish, and making vast amounts of money out of those of us who are not terribly bright.However, I don't think its fair to blame monty for every idiot who practices in his name. Our local idiot worships Kelly marks. And attributes everything she does to km. Eg km said to do this, km said you shouldn't do that, despite never having done more than read a book. Imo that doesn't make km a fool, just the lady who follows her. And its no different to any other method. I've met idiots who fancy themselves as dressage riders, & whack doubles on green horses to get an outline. That doesn't mean Carl hester etc are all misguided, just the idiot that blindly thinks holding a horses head in is dressage. And whilst monty does have a cult like following, that imo should have the negative aspects as widely promoted as the positive, I do feel its unfair to blame monty for every idiot that gets it wrong in his name.
But that analogy does not stand up. Monty/Kelly and their affiliates are selling a training method. Hester is an athlete at the top of his discipline. The former are making promises and cash, the latter is competing at the top of his game. And most importantly, those who have quoted this as an "excellent post" have reinforced my idea that "IH" (or whatever the "correct" term or acronym is, and with this I include all the massively marketed "natural" methods) is indeed cultish, and making vast amounts of money out of those of us who are not terribly bright.