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A rant

Well yesterday I took Moti to the vet for his monthly Librella. He is a small terrier with terrier reactions at time. He is a rehome having been a stray and can be reactive with strange dogs getting in his face. I entered the waiting room to be met with a collie which looked interested and wagged it tail - owner shortened lead and held it away as we passed. I had Moti on a very short lead. The only other dog in the waiting area (quite roomy enough) was a yellow lab who immediately stood up and barked and wagged and strained at the lead. Owner did nothing so I picked Moti up saying to the lab "NO" and "mines not keen on other dogs". Lab was then allowed to put paws on me to sniff Moti. Again I said "NO" and shoved lab with my elbow. Moti by this time stressed and unhappy.
OK I thought we'll go over there to the quiet corner. Sign says in big letters "this area is for reactive or stressed dogs". It has a sofa arranged as a barrier and corners off an area. I sat down. Moti sat by my leg and blow me down the lab appears around the corner to sniff Moti and push him with his nose! Owner says "he's dying to say hello" :oops: :oops: Moti snarles and air snaps and I said "he'll bite in a minute". Owner gives me a dirty look and takes his dog back to main reception area. Just why would you do this. Lab was on a lead so owner could easily have restrained him. Moti is muzzled once he enters the consulting room as he nips if feeling cornered at the vets. Neither him nor I needed the stress. He is getting better and better but I wonder how he'll be next time?

I did tell the vet and she said "did he bite the lab?" I said no and she said "Pity. It's the only way some people learn!". They were going to have a word with the owner about personal space and staying away from reactive dog area. I'm just so cross Moti was subjected to extra stress when there was absolutely no need.
 

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What sort of dog was it?
The report didn’t say, but that was just one of three dogs recently shot dead while worrying sheep in Cheshire. 25 sheep killed 😢. Police post from December.

OP RECALL 🎄 request.
Three dogs have been shot dead in Cheshire in the last month after attacking lifestock while off the leash. A total of 25 sheep were killed.

We are urging dog owners to make sure they have control over their dogs when walking in the countryside over the festive season. The sheep killed over the last month died in four separate incidents.

In addition this last week the team deployed to another four livestock worrying and attack incidents.

“It is vital that you keep your dog on the lead around livestock, even if you can usually trust it to come to call. If you live in or near a farming area, you must make sure that your dog cannot escape from your property, as it may find its way onto land containing sheep.

Dogs should only be released from a lead if walkers are followed or chased by cattle.
“It’s better to be safe than sorry by using your lead to control your dog. This should avoid not only the devastation and financial cost to the farmer who has lost his or her sheep, but the trauma to the dog owner from their dog’s actions, and the thought it could have been shot to prevent further devastation.

“We want everyone to enjoy the countryside safely and responsibly- take a look at the countryside code to see how you can do your bit."

We simply urge owners - no matter how reliable you think your dogs are - keep dogs under control near livestock.
You can also show that you care for all animals by taking the #OpRecall pledge here: https://orlo.uk/PTGQ3 and do your bit in keeping all animals safe.

Pc Jim Clark
 

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A rant

Well yesterday I took Moti to the vet for his monthly Librella. He is a small terrier with terrier reactions at time. He is a rehome having been a stray and can be reactive with strange dogs getting in his face. I entered the waiting room to be met with a collie which looked interested and wagged it tail - owner shortened lead and held it away as we passed. I had Moti on a very short lead. The only other dog in the waiting area (quite roomy enough) was a yellow lab who immediately stood up and barked and wagged and strained at the lead. Owner did nothing so I picked Moti up saying to the lab "NO" and "mines not keen on other dogs". Lab was then allowed to put paws on me to sniff Moti. Again I said "NO" and shoved lab with my elbow. Moti by this time stressed and unhappy.
OK I thought we'll go over there to the quiet corner. Sign says in big letters "this area is for reactive or stressed dogs". It has a sofa arranged as a barrier and corners off an area. I sat down. Moti sat by my leg and blow me down the lab appears around the corner to sniff Moti and push him with his nose! Owner says "he's dying to say hello" :oops: :oops: Moti snarles and air snaps and I said "he'll bite in a minute". Owner gives me a dirty look and takes his dog back to main reception area. Just why would you do this. Lab was on a lead so owner could easily have restrained him. Moti is muzzled once he enters the consulting room as he nips if feeling cornered at the vets. Neither him nor I needed the stress. He is getting better and better but I wonder how he'll be next time?

I did tell the vet and she said "did he bite the lab?" I said no and she said "Pity. It's the only way some people learn!". They were going to have a word with the owner about personal space and staying away from reactive dog area. I'm just so cross Moti was subjected to extra stress when there was absolutely no need.

People in vet waiting rooms drive me mad!
Dog owners, I’m afraid to say, are some of the most entitled people.

A little update on our favourite Rottie owner as I’ve seen him (though the man keeps a distance) Rottie is now muzzled on every walk, and he is purposefully not walking through the yard but on the other side of the farm buildings. He is still trespassing around the private fields and letting his dog poo everywhere, but he is ensuring he goes round extra early when no horses are about (we’ve given up trying to stop the trespassing, just try to live with it :rolleyes: )

He still walks it on the end of the lead though and it pulls him all over the show. My friend has just moved into a house on the lane to our farm and the rottie lunged at her son when he was walking to the bus stop so she’s now having to accompany him up the road because he’s frightened of dogs. Rottie is muzzled and is probably just wanting to be friendly in his over enthusiastic way, but the owner is clueless about how other people might perceive it.

Still, he’s taken the warnings by the police seriously, so that’s something.
 

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We have a very proactive Police Rural Crime Team.

The pixelated image is of the corpse of the dog caught worrying sheep. It was shot.


Jenkin Chapel was one of my normal hacking routes, I'm glad I'm not riding on public roads any more. She must have driven out there from Stockport to walk that dog in open sheep country. Poor dog paid with its life for her idiocy.
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Could do with an 'Angry' emoji!!

I have a belief that Lab owners fall into two categories. The owners that work them have them impeccably trained. I have seen 4 sitting in the open boot of a car in a busy pub forecourt with people, food and dogs in easy reach. They could easily have jumped out but diddn't. They sat in a perfect row surveying the scene with owner inside the pub and no supervision.

Another lady used to walk 5/6 at times, never less than 3, all on a loose lead. I sometimes saw her in the park doing a training session with them. They were totally focussed on her, it was impressive.

The other sort seem to be in the majority. They are generally being towed around by an overweight animal that either lunges at my dog or tries to jump up at me. Some Labs seem to be needlesly aggressive and I will never forget the one that nicked my chips I was eating at some horse trials. It's owner, who had been dragged over to my food said it was OK, he'd only had a few🤢, another was dragged over to me and my dog in a pub, the lady said he was so strong and then asked me if my dog was castrated as he didn't like entire dogs and would fight them! I bent my new hiking stick on one that just wanted to play ... Some Lab owners are definately fur baby parents.
 

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Both. And when you point out that not every dog wants another dog blundering into their space you get the 'dogs need to socialise' crap.

As I've said before, it's the equivalent of sending the class jock to forcibly interact with the quiet goth kid sitting in the corner, minding his own business.
 

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Not only do these owners not understand dogs and dog body language, they don't understand the not so subtle message from the human either.

When I have my dog on a lead and take her off the path and out of the way, it is not an invitation for them to allow their dog to get in her face or up her jacksie.
 
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I am beginning to wonder if there are just some fairly poor Labradors out there.

Someone I know has two from different litters, a black and a yellow. Black lab is a lovely, focused but willing dog who is always quite connected to her people and listens well. Yellow is really very tricky. She’s bolshy, snappy, and throws herself around on the lead to go for other dogs, cats, horses etc. She’s fine with people but she doesn’t seem to connect much. I find her really cold, and her eyes are disconcertingly hard.

Conformationally, black lab is a bit small but nicely put together. She has medium sized, soft eyes and a broad head but a more refined face. Yellow has a very large, coarse head with small eyes and is very straight through the hind leg to the point that she almost dishes her hind legs rather than bends them. She’s also very powerful in front but with quite a straight shoulder and short neck. The black one is leaner, more athletic and has an elastic, straight stride covering more ground.

Black is unregistered, from local working parents on a farm. Yellow is KC.

ETA - found google images to try to explain what I mean better

Black looks similar to this
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Yellow is very pale but not dissimilar to this type but this dog is probably nicer.

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My Lab is built similarly to the black one in LadyG's post. An acquaintance of mine prefers "English Labs" because they are larger and more blocky. I don't care for them because they often have ugly heads/faced and are kept obese.

My Lab is a simpleton, and we've always had to work so diligently on getting her to hold commands. Just watching her sometimes, she's so clueless, bless her. She's very good at retrieving and swimming, plus has excellent stamina, but she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. So I could see a dog like her combined with a more clueless owner being a nuisance at times. She's very sweet, but between her and the handler, someone's got to have a brain.

I do know someone that purchased a Lab from breeder to be a "service dog" for their autistic child and expected the dog to just know what to do 🙄 the dog is rather unruly and spends most of its time in a crate now. They claim breeder won't take it back, it I know of this breeder and they will, and it's in their sales contract. I think the people don't want to admit they failed or are just being cheap, because that breeder also offers training too.
 

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Tle lady I used to see training sometimes had very dainty fox reds. I initially asked her what breed they were 😂

I have 2 friends towed around by fat black ones. I did think they were reasonably easy to train for basic stuff, I had a lab X collie who was a doddle, even for me who cannot be bothered!
 

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I glanced at my field cam today and from a distance it looks like someone’s dog was in my field but the camera doesn’t quite zoom in that far. I’m lucky my oldie wouldn’t care, he’s used to dogs and carried on grazing. I know exactly who it will be and if I find poo in their tonight when I go up, all hell will break loose.
 

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The only dog we had an issue with on our walk today was a Lab 🙄. The woman wasn’t wearing wellies so was skirting around the muddy area and had no eyes on the dog. Cue dog bounding up to us and growling at our spaniel who cried and ran between my legs. “Oh he’s just chasing”…. FFS
 

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Could do with an 'Angry' emoji!!

I have a belief that Lab owners fall into two categories. The owners that work them have them impeccably trained. I have seen 4 sitting in the open boot of a car in a busy pub forecourt with people, food and dogs in easy reach. They could easily have jumped out but diddn't. They sat in a perfect row surveying the scene with owner inside the pub and no supervision.

Another lady used to walk 5/6 at times, never less than 3, all on a loose lead. I sometimes saw her in the park doing a training session with them. They were totally focussed on her, it was impressive.

The other sort seem to be in the majority. They are generally being towed around by an overweight animal that either lunges at my dog or tries to jump up at me. Some Labs seem to be needlesly aggressive and I will never forget the one that nicked my chips I was eating at some horse trials. It's owner, who had been dragged over to my food said it was OK, he'd only had a few🤢, another was dragged over to me and my dog in a pub, the lady said he was so strong and then asked me if my dog was castrated as he didn't like entire dogs and would fight them! I bent my new hiking stick on one that just wanted to play ... Some Lab owners are definately fur baby parents.
Add Spaniel owners to that too- they are either worked or utterly spoiled "furbabies" god I hate that term...and god help you if you suggest the owner being towed around learns to use a slip lead- they are CWAALLL don't you know....head ... desk...
 

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Add Spaniel owners to that too- they are either worked or utterly spoiled "furbabies" god I hate that term...and god help you if you suggest the owner being towed around learns to use a slip lead- they are CWAALLL don't you know....head ... desk...
I’m biased, obviously, but only ever met one nasty spaniel in forever, guy had several and just couldn’t grasp that maybe he should put the one that kept attacking mine on the lead!

Came across 2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks yesterday, one of which was massive and decided to run at Mitch, who nearly sh!t himself. Luckily, he’s a speed demon and ran on when told. The bloke with them was like ‘Oh, he’s looking for a chase’. I told him my dog is not a lion and is worried by bigger dogs. Tosser. Never seen him before, hope not to again.
 

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JD was harassed by a bouncy black lab on her walk today. She’s nearly 15 and was trying to warn this dog off but it kept trying to jump on her back and stick its nose up her bum. JD gets anxious then because she’s worried and she has a weak back end so can be easily knocked. Owner just stood shouting dogs name in an exasperated manner :rolleyes:

I had to intervene and get it away from JD because she was getting distressed. Why should my 15 year old dog, minding her own business, be harassed and worried by another dog just because the stupid owner has no recall or control??
 

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And another one today! My lot were minding their own business, sniffing everything, when an extremely bouncy flatcoat came to play, no harm in him, but smacked both of my youngsters on the head with his two fores. Luckily, Bear was further down the path, he would not have appreciated it.

I shouted at it, owner calling it ineffectively from a different path. (No command, just ‘Disco, Disco’. Try telling it to come!) I asked her to stop her dog smacking both of mine, luckily it eventually buggered off and mine are very good at ‘getting on’ when told. I don’t know how she socialised her dog, but mine were never allowed to jump at people/other dogs.
 

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And another one today! My lot were minding their own business, sniffing everything, when an extremely bouncy flatcoat came to play, no harm in him, but smacked both of my youngsters on the head with his two fores. Luckily, Bear was further down the path, he would not have appreciated it.

I shouted at it, owner calling it ineffectively from a different path. (No command, just ‘Disco, Disco’. Try telling it to come!) I asked her to stop her dog smacking both of mine, luckily it eventually buggered off and mine are very good at ‘getting on’ when told. I don’t know how she socialised her dog, but mine were never allowed to jump at people/other dogs.
I’ve never met a well mannered flatcoat. They are, to me, the breed that creates the problems that other people on here have with labs.
 

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Ooh! Thank you TFF and Amymay. I just can’t get Clodagh to like flatcoats! All mine have done obedience training and some of them competed. Yes, they have a light hearted sense of humour and fun but are mild mannered and easy to train and discipline. For some reason she has only met ones who have obviously been let down by their owners. I have friends whose flatcoats do the exact same job as Clodagh‘s labs and just as well!
We are NOT going to fall out about it but I find it frustrating!
 

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Ooh! Thank you TFF and Amymay. I just can’t get Clodagh to like flatcoats! All mine have done obedience training and some of them competed. Yes, they have a light hearted sense of humour and fun but are mild mannered and easy to train and discipline. For some reason she has only met ones who have obviously been let down by their owners. I have friends whose flatcoats do the exact same job as Clodagh‘s labs and just as well!
We are NOT going to fall out about it but I find it frustrating!
I don’t tell you any more when I meet one as you get cross. 😄
 
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