Irresponsible Owners

[Janique]

I don't know if the goat was castrated, it was small ( thank's god) and very young.

He also looked very strong willed and charged the vet at some point !

If he is used to go into the bed, good luck to try to get him off.

 

[Landcruiser]

So not an irresponsible owner.

Erm - off lead unmuzzled XL type dog loose on a busy footpath/cycle path, and staying off lead throughout the approach of me and my dog? XL type had every chance to be aggressive had he so chosen. Lead was clipped on only when owner/dog right next to/past us. So yes, irresponsible.

 

[Landcruiser]

Casual reminder that it can look like an XL bully, walk like an XL bully, and bite like an XL bully, but if it stands at <20in at the withers (or under <19in in the case of a bitch), the owners are under no obligation to muzzle because, as per the law, their dog is not an XL bully.

I’m presuming no one here can accurately identify by eye if a dog is 19in or 20in tall…

I'm exceptionally good at estimating heights, lengths, volumes etc. Slight autistic trait. My off lead bully type was easily 24 inches at the shoulder.

 

[Jenko109]

I imagine lots of people who are involved in dog sports will have established an eye for knowing roughly how tall a dog is.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Erm - off lead unmuzzled XL type dog loose on a busy footpath/cycle path, and staying off lead throughout the approach of me and my dog? XL type had every chance to be aggressive had he so chosen. Lead was clipped on only when owner/dog right next to/past us. So yes, irresponsible.

I would also feel very uncomfortable with this. I'm not really a fan of passing off-lead (or some on lead!) dogs on paths like this as there's often not that much space. Great if they have a very good 'heel' (rare!) or relaxed lead, then I worry a bit less but always put myself between them and other dog. When it's an XL bully or other large dog I do find it particularly worrying.

 

[Jenko109]

I would also feel very uncomfortable with this. I'm not really a fan of passing off-lead (or some on lead!) dogs on paths like this as there's often not that much space. Great if they have a very good 'heel' (rare!) or relaxed lead, then I worry a bit less but always put myself between them and other dog. When it's an XL bully or other large dog I do find it particularly worrying.

I'm another that would have been very uncomfortable in this situation.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Local stately pile with fabulous gardens and grounds are having a right mare with a small minority of entitled dog owners. We’re annual members and go regularly for the 7 months a year that the grounds are open, not least because of the all dogs on leads policy.

It’s strictly all dogs on leads at all times for all visitors.

Except that some people, as ever, reckon this doesn’t apply to them. Tbf to the estate office, they respond quickly to reports of loose dogs, but usually the perpetrators have vanished by the time the report gets to them.

Gateman told me this week that yet another occurrence had happened the day before, upsetting a visitor. The visitor told the dog owner that their dogs ought to be on leads, only to get the accusation back ‘Don’t you like dogs?’ They had gone by the time the estate manager had gone to look for them.

Some pics of the lovely grounds from earlier this year. This is the JRTs happy place. Why do people have to be such d1cks?

 

[cauda equina]

Local stately pile with fabulous gardens and grounds are having a right mare with a small minority of entitled dog owners. We’re annual members and go regularly for the 7 months a year that the grounds are open, not least because of the all dogs on leads policy.

It’s strictly all dogs on leads at all times for all visitors.

Except that some people, as ever, reckon this doesn’t apply to them. Tbf to the estate office, they respond quickly to reports of loose dogs, but usually the perpetrators have vanished by the time the report gets to them.

Gateman told me this week that yet another occurrence had happened the day before, upsetting a visitor. The visitor told the dog owner that their dogs ought to be on leads, only to get the accusation back ‘Don’t you like dogs?’ They had gone by the time the estate manager had gone to look for them.

Some pics of the lovely grounds from earlier this year. This is the JRTs happy place. Why do people have to be such d1cks?

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What a fabulous place! How dare people risk getting everyone banned?

 

[MurphysMinder]

There are always the few who think the rules don't apply. I won't be happy if dogs get banned from here.

 

[Jenko109]

Wow. What a beautiful place to be able to walk around.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I generally assume and respect that people are either afraid of or want nothing to do with my dogs. Or both. Unfortunately they do take an interest in my dog(s) from time to time and I wish they wouldn't, tbh. I don't care to be social

OH and I took the dogs on a hiking trip recently and we always moved well off to the side of the path if someone came by (with or without another dog). Our dogs are fine, but I know not everyone likes dogs or wants to be near them due to fear or other reasons. It just seems like the right thing to do.

One of my dogs has lighter coloured eyes, and I think that does actually make some people a bit wary. I posted a picture of her on here once and it made someone wary, and someone did mention her eyes. Combined with her breed, people just don't always feel comfortable. She gets compliments frequently on her behavior and training, but that doesn't mean jack sh*t when you're afraid. So I just try to be as courteous and considerate as possible.

 

[Janique]

I live by a school and every morning, lot's of kids and their mothers walk by, i didn't know as i don't have kids or grand kids,
by there is a new cartoon called ' toutes les créatures '

Not sure of the title in English, in there, there is a Basset, he is paralysed and pullls a small wheel chair behind him, he is the main caractère.

This morning, i nearly got mobed down by kids shouting ' That the dog ! that's him !

They all came running, thank's God Nouille is nice and simply sat down and enjoyed all the attention.

They asked me why she didn't have a wheel chair and i felt a bit stupid, said, well, it's only for the tv, she is can run really fast !

They all laughed at me and the mothers smiled ! Nouille made their days, that's for sure.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Back to one of the most beautiful and peaceful locations in the country this morning (we are so lucky to live nearby) and it’s been rather eventful .

Firstly yet another bleddy off lead dog despite the very clear estate rules to have all visitor dogs on lead at all times. I tore the owners off a strip and tbf they looked guilty as heck, uttered not a word in reply and they put the dog right back on a lead before scuttling off.

On leaving I called in at the gate hut to update the gateman - he likes to be told. Found him shaking after a horrible encounter with a woman visitor who had driven in at speed right past the gate hut overtaking queuing cars. Some helpful regulars who he was speaking to got the reg no and a couple of estate heavies were alerted to go find her. She was found and drove her car back very fast to rant about having already bought a ticket on line so no need to stop.

Poor chap, it’s a nice quiet job to do in his retirement. So he thought.

 

[cauda equina]

NOA, as Pedantic would say

 

[MurphysMinder]

Back to one of the most beautiful and peaceful locations in the country this morning (we are so lucky to live nearby) and it’s been rather eventful .

Firstly yet another bleddy off lead dog despite the very clear estate rules to have all visitor dogs on lead at all times. I tore the owners off a strip and tbf they looked guilty as heck, uttered not a word in reply and they put the dog right back on a lead before scuttling off.

On leaving I called in at the gate hut to update the gateman - he likes to be told. Found him shaking after a horrible encounter with a woman visitor who had driven in at speed right past the gate hut overtaking queuing cars. Some helpful regulars who he was speaking to got the reg no and a couple of estate heavies were alerted to go find her. She was found and drove her car back very fast to rant about having already bought a ticket on line so no need to stop.

Poor chap, it’s a nice quiet job to do in his retirement. So he thought.

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If it's the chap who is usually there he is very knowledgeable about the estate and lovely to chat to , hope he wasn't too upset .

 

[Tiddlypom]

If it's the chap who is usually there he is very knowledgeable about the estate and lovely to chat to , hope he wasn't too upset .

Yes, usual guy, he was very shaken .

All credit to the estate as despite it being a Sunday and the estate office being shut a gardener and one of the livestock chappies responded to his radio call straight away.

I’d come across a clearly abandoned wheelbarrow and rake on the path in the Folly gardens - that’ll have been left by the gardener when he got the call.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Give me strength.

It’s Kelsall’s two day autumn BE event this weekend. Kelsall had to put this post on their FB page earlier today .

 

[MurphysMinder]

I go to agility shows at Kelsall , strict rules about dogs on lead except when in the rings . 100 + dogs and I don’t think there has been an incident .
But ive seen horse competitors arrive and just let their dogs out of the cab to run loose

 

[P3LH]

I’m going to blow my lid in general lately because of the spitz monkey.

It’s two camps : the clucking hens, and the parallel people.

He is cute. I get it. But since we were carrying him for socialisation he gets mobbed. Literally every day. Multiple people. Cooing. Clucking. Trying to get in his face. Being loud. Making stupid high pitched noises. Often much hand waving and idiotic behaviour. I am not subtle in directing them that off I want them to be pissing. Still, most are impervious. As a result I have to try work on calming the fizz in his bottle every day, because the moment we leave the house he finds everything too exciting and stimulating, especially the sight of another human being with or without dog. Still, even when shouting ‘ignore him please’ and having him on a short lead, the clucking hens attempt to gather. Someone picked him up as I tried to settle him down in lead sat outside a cafe last week. I asked them what the f…lowers they were doing, and pointed out had it been another of my dogs they would have lost a few fingers. I’m sure evolution was supposed to have weeded these types out of existence.

The parallel people are linked to the above. They appear to be walking their dogs but only in flesh and bone. Their consciousness dwells elsewhere, and is most definitely neither near nor focused on what they’re walking - usually off a lead. Every day I will encounter at least two. Their dogs will come up to my on lead dogs, including the monkey in his strict impulse control training/teaching to chill, and harass us. Usually jumping all over us. Often I will gather extra dogs, their owners oblivious. Nearly always they will tell me I need to let them socialise. Every time I say my dogs are very social with other dogs, but one has no etiquette with other dogs and I don’t feel others should have to put up with his exuberance, and equally another is the type of dog who doesn’t take poor manners from other dogs and doesn’t mince her words. Usually I’m then told I need to just let them off to play. Owners will even linger waiting for me as if I will follow their direction.

Today a lady was about thirty feet away whilst her two spaniels harassed us for about ten minutes flat. I have to request she gets her dogs thrice before deciding just to stand still, as they continued to mob and jump all over mine, until she caught up. When she passed me and simply said ‘they only want to play’ and carried on walking - still without her dogs. We went the other way pronto.

 

[Caol Ila]

I don't know if this belongs on this thread, but it was amusing.

On hack today, we passed a woman with a well behaved on-lead collie. Thanked her for mannerly, sweet dog.

Quite prosecutorially, she said, "My dog just ate a giant ball of horse poo on the trail over there. Did you leave that??"

"Nope," we said. "We didn't go on that trail today." (we may have done, as did other riders... it was busy today....and I definitely did yesterday).

"Oh, that's fine then," she said cheerfully. "It wasn't your fault."

Cool. Cool. cool.

 

[paisley]

A small post for positivity- met a very lovely labrador puppy (complete with waggly bum walk), on a walk. Puppy was happy to meet mine quietly, say hello to me but not fuss and just generally walk really nicely round the park twice with my ancient whippet.
Really lovely example of an owner having spent time setting up social skills and investing in their pup.
Normal people exist!

 

[ArklePig]

Some of these posts are illuminating, I'm another one who doesn't love dogs with light eyes but could never pin point why- I just don't find them as friendly looking as big brown eyes. Glad to hear it's a thing and not just me!

 

[CanteringCarrot]

While I don't mind my own dog with lighter eyes, I do remember encountering my neighbors old Great Dane and his eyes made me pause for second. He was spotty, and his eyes are blue and brown. Quite different than what I'm used to looking at. Sure, my grey has light eyes, but his were very blue, and some brown, so a combination. Kind of like what you might see in a spotted horse.

That being said, he was a total derp

 

[CorvusCorax]

A big thanks to the people who look after my dogs for refusing someone who didn't get their own dog the kennel cough vaccination, despite being warned last week that it was a requirement.
They very kindly said it was too much of a risk for the unvaccinated dog to be kennelled next to my elderly dog. Top marks.

 

[skinnydipper]

That's all a bit of a stretch, stangs.

You weren't there and maybe CI knows enough about dogs to know what a hard stare looks like and whatever the colour of the dog's eyes* it's not good.

Edited, missing a '

Further edit * and whatever the breed.

Following this post, there seemed to be some confusion as to what a hard stare looks like.

So here you go:

look at the eyes and also the mouth.

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[skinnydipper]

And here:

"But, look at the eyes on this dog. His face is tense and his mouth is closed. The hard stare on this dog is threatening and lets you know not to come any closer. He may not yet be growling, but it is likely to start if he is approached."

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[CanteringCarrot]

As the random blog post (the threat of stillness) link suggests, there's a bit more to it aside from the stare. There is other body language and tension that generally goes along with it. Pictures don't always suffice.

It's really good for people to be educated on this stuff, but it is hard to find an accurate portrayal in still photos.

I do think the light eyed thing and sometimes other bias does cloud things a little bit.

Which makes me then think that some dogs are bred to or just naturally look more "aggressive" than others when they're not being or about to be aggressive.

With bias, we do have to be careful about this because if I had my 2 side my side and both were "hard staring" I guarantee someone would still approach the Lab because she's smaller and "just a Lab" which is sort of an issue. Granted she loves everyone and has 2 brain cells, but one shouldn't assume that oh "it's a Lab" or "oh it's a cute little thing."

Some dogs are honestly impartial to strangers and others think everyone is potential friend. Yet some people feel as though it is their life's mission to be friends with and win over every dog. If the dog isn't interested in you, move on. It's not an insult. I cannot tell you how many people want to force themselves on my dogs in public. It's like, they're not here for you/your entertainment?

I saw a shop worker cornering a young dog at the checkout before with a treat in hand. The dog kept backing up and eventually hit a wall and barked (dog was cornered). The worker kept advancing on the dog. Wtf. That's not how you socialize your dog.

Just respect all dogs and have a clue.

 

[skinnydipper]

I do think the light eyed thing and sometimes other bias does cloud things a little bit.

I don't think either Landcruiser or Caol Ila mentioned the colour of the dogs' eyes when they said they were uncomfortable with the XL bully types they encountered.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I don't think either Landcruiser or Caol Ila mentioned the colour of the dogs' eyes when they said they were uncomfortable with the XL bully types they encountered.

I was generally speaking. I wasn't talking specifically about them. It has been brought up on this thread before (prior to the above posts by those two).

 

[Jenko109]

Me today.

In the field with my collie x GSD who can be a little reactive, but is generally fine in the field. She is on a lead.

A few dogs dotted about, but all doing their own thing. No trouble.

In comes a bloke with what looks like a shar pei x labrador. Lets it off and straight away it runs up to us. I ask him to call it back. He comes away okay. My dog handles it well.

All of two minutes later, the dog is back. Again. Again I ask, please can you call it back. He doesn't respond to me, just very slowly starts walking over. He is quite far away. So I get more firm and demand he call his dog away from me. The interaction has now gone on too long and my dog is visibly uncomfortable. He still does not respond to me.

The dog eventually took itself away. Not that the owner had made any attempt to help matters or call his dog away.

He did get called some choice words. I would not want a shar pei type near me at the best of times, but especially when I have an anxious dog with me.