Irresponsible Owners

[Jenko109]

Just saw this on pets4homes.

**Chase- unfortunately i’m having to re home chase due to turning nasty with children& other dogs.


he’s a good/ relaxed dog without children or other dogs around he will happily sit on sofa and chill all day with you who always wants cuddles! lovely dog!


FREE TO A GOOD HOME - NO CHILDREN OR OTHER DOGS THOUGH PLEASE**

So you would assume it's a dog who has perhaps hit adolescence. Nope. The dog is nine! No mention of him having seen a vet now that he has suddenly, after nine years, 'turned nasty.'

 

[Titchy Reindeer]

"I'm willing to take that risk. He has had dogs going for him" .

The terrier owner takes the biscuit. Stupid woman.

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Sorry had to laugh. It sums up as "I can't control my dog enough to recall it, but everyone else should be able to control their dogs enough to stop them eating my snack sized terrier that gets in their dogs face". Talk about deflecting responsibility!

 

[Smitty]

A neighbour of mine took her two dogs out a couple of days ago and complained bitterly to me that there was another woman in same part of the walk with apparently 6 lurchers. She tried to go a different route but the multiple dog person had doubled back and her 2 dogs ran over and joined the others, at which point neighbour was asked to remove her dogs. She couldn't and then told the multiple dog lady that she purposely took her dogs there to mingle and play with other dogs. This didn't go down well with the lurcher lady who probably told her what she thought of that idea but neighbour by this time was calling her all sorts of women's parts!!

I believe I was meant to be impressed

 

[Landcruiser]

Took my 13 yr old springer poo for his hydrotherapy appointment in local large town. We were early so pootled off down a nearby enclosed wide footpath/cyclepath. Only to be met a few hundred yards later by an off lead un-muzzled XL type male dog with a youngish guy. Who said "It's alright, he's friendly," as he saw me move my on-lead dog to the opposite side of me...but then he did snap a lead on as a cyclist also approached. (He was already past us by then). I decided to cut our walk short in case we met any other potentially dangerous dogs. My lad is very civilized, but he also doesn't suffer fools gladly and will raise a lip or growl if some dogs approach him. Blow me if we didn't meet the guy and his dog coming back the other way, thankfully still on a lead.
The other dog hardly looked at my old chap, but had it done, we had nowhere to go and he wouldn't have stood a chance. I don't like feeling this paranoid but after so many attacks by this sort of a dog, I do, and won't be walking there again

 

[Amymay Again]

Took my 13 yr old springer poo for his hydrotherapy appointment in local large town. We were early so pootled off down a nearby enclosed wide footpath/cyclepath. Only to be met a few hundred yards later by an off lead un-muzzled XL type male dog with a youngish guy. Who said "It's alright, he's friendly," as he saw me move my on-lead dog to the opposite side of me...but then he did snap a lead on as a cyclist also approached. (He was already past us by then). I decided to cut our walk short in case we met any other potentially dangerous dogs. My lad is very civilized, but he also doesn't suffer fools gladly and will raise a lip or growl if some dogs approach him. Blow me if we didn't meet the guy and his dog coming back the other way, thankfully still on a lead.
The other dog hardly looked at my old chap, but had it done, we had nowhere to go and he wouldn't have stood a chance. I don't like feeling this paranoid but after so many attacks by this sort of a dog, I do, and won't be walking there again

So not an irresponsible owner.

 

[Caol Ila]

Saw an unmuzzled XL bully in Mugdock last week. It was on a lead, tied to a picnic table at the visitors centre with its owner. It looked at my horse with its beady little eyes and was pulling on the lead. Had it not been tied to a table, I would have gone the other way because I don’t trust that people can hold a dog like that. Thing just looks evil. Most dogs don’t look at you like that. I stayed on my intended route and went past it but swung very, very wide around it. I said to OH, “That’s one of those XL bully things. I am taking the long route and going nowhere f))?4king near that,” definitely loud enough for owners to have heard.

They should have muzzles. Or be dead. Either. I don’t care.

 

[stangs]

Saw an unmuzzled XL bully in Mugdock last week. It was on a lead, tied to a picnic table at the visitors centre with its owner. It looked at my horse with its beady little eyes and was pulling on the lead. Had it not been tied to a table, I would have gone the other way because I don’t trust that people can hold a dog like that. Thing just looks evil. Most dogs don’t look at you like that. I stayed on my intended route and went past it but swung very, very wide around it. I said to OH, “That’s one of those XL bully things. I am taking the long route and going nowhere f))?4king near that,” definitely loud enough for owners to have heard.

They should have muzzles. Or be dead. Either. I don’t care.

For all intents and purposes, the owners had their dog under control, and, unless you have an eye for measuring dogs from a distance, you don’t know if there is a legal requirement for it to be muzzled.

I really don’t understand the point of such b*tchiness. If you didn’t like the look of the dog, then fine, avoid it or grumble about it later to the OH but why ensure that you speak loud enough to upset or offend the owners? What did you think you were going to achieve - convince them PTS their pet because some woman going past didn't like it?

They weren't doing anything wrong and there's enough hatred and anger in this world already. You’re only encouraging negative perceptions of equestrianism and making it more likely that the owners might not be considerate of horses and riders in the future.

(And as for "most dogs don’t look at you like that". Was it really looking at you "like that" or did it just have light-coloured eyes?)

 

[skinnydipper]

(And as for "most dogs don’t look at you like that". Was it really looking at you "like that" or did it just have light-coloured eyes?)

That's all a bit of a stretch, stangs.

You weren't there and maybe CI knows enough about dogs to know what a hard stare looks like and whatever the colour of the dog's eyes* it's not good.

Edited, missing a '

Further edit * and whatever the breed.

 

[Indy]

Saw an unmuzzled XL bully in Mugdock last week. It was on a lead, tied to a picnic table at the visitors centre with its owner. It looked at my horse with its beady little eyes and was pulling on the lead. Had it not been tied to a table, I would have gone the other way because I don’t trust that people can hold a dog like that. Thing just looks evil. Most dogs don’t look at you like that. I stayed on my intended route and went past it but swung very, very wide around it. I said to OH, “That’s one of those XL bully things. I am taking the long route and going nowhere f))?4king near that,” definitely loud enough for owners to have heard.

They should have muzzles. Or be dead. Either. I don’t care.

I wonder if the next horse rider they saw got grief.

 

[skinnydipper]

Oh good, we're playing Story Starters. That's fun.

 

[Indy]

Oh good, we're playing Story Starters. That's fun.

No I'm not but I just know from my own experiences of having a go at some cockwomble when I'm riding if I see them on my way back I always manage to come away thinking well that really wasn't worth it. The egg throwing incident I suffered only escalated to egg throwing because of me opening my gob.

 

[Indy]

And yes, I do now wonder how many of the local riders are subjected to shitty behaviour from that bunch of lads because of me

 

[skinnydipper]

No I'm not but I just know from my own experiences of having a go at some cockwomble when I'm riding if I see them on my way back I always manage to come away thinking well that really wasn't worth it. The egg throwing incident I suffered only escalated to egg throwing because of me opening my gob.

You weren't to blame. It's the kind of people you were dealing with at fault.

 

[stangs]

That's all a bit a stretch, stangs.

You weren't there and maybe CI knows enough about dogs to know what a hard stare looks like and whatever the colour of the dog's eyes* it's not good.

Edited, missing a '

Further edit * and whatever the breed.

Is it? We know that humans tend to perceive light-coloured eyed dogs as more aggressive and less friendly than dark-coloured eyed dogs (§3.2 here), and people on here have frequently commented on perception of light-coloured eyed dogs.

I have no doubt that the dog's eye wasn't relaxed, but was it really so different to most dogs who aren't socialised around horses watching them go past, because that difference is implied by "most dogs just don't look at you like that"? If it had been a dark-eyed spaniel, would the perception have been the sustained focus was simply because it curious? After all, given that CI also wrote, "thing just looks evil", it's safe to say that there was considerable bias in her perception of the dog.

I just think it's worth people keeping in mind how easy it is for breed/colour bias to affect how you read a dog, even if it's totally unconscious.

The other day, I assisted with a behaviour assessment of a dark mastiff type and, much to my shame, I perceived intent to harm in the dog whereas the assessor simply saw an undersocialised dog. I wouldn't have thought the behaviour was aggression if the dog had been most other breeds, but the type completely changed my assessment of the dog's body language even though I like mastiffs and liked the appearance of this particular dog. Good thing I'm not going to be the one doing assessments anytime soon!

 

[skinnydipper]

If we assume that CI felt threatened by the dog, why would you (one) argue with that. Rhetorical question.

 

[cbmcts]

If we assume that CI felt threatened by the dog, why would you (one) argue with that. Rhetorical question.

Not liking, feeling uncomfortable or threatened by a dog is fair enough and in most cases, taking avoiding action is sensible and reasonable!
However, the passive aggressive (sorry CI) comment is unhelpful and unlikely to do anything to foster good relations in a public space.

On a side note, I'm seeing a fair few dogs that I would have said - but I'm not an expert - were definitely of type being assessed in rescue of not being of type. This is by more than one assessor working for/with a national rescue so it may well be that the unmuzzled 'banned breeds' that we are seeing out and about have been assessed as legal? I make no comment on whether I think that is right or wrong...

 

[Tiddlypom]

Disappointing responses from AAD regulars. Because many of you are out and out dog people who train/work/show your dogs, you simply don’t get how many members of the public are genuinely frightened of and wary of strange dogs.

YOU might not find some of these off lead or tied up dogs threatening, but others do.

 

[Indy]

Disappointing responses from AAD regulars. Because many of you are out and out dog people who train/work/show your dogs, you simply don’t get how many members of the public are genuinely frightened of and wary of strange dogs.

YOU might not find some of these off lead or tied up dogs threatening, but others do.

To be honest if I'd have seen it tied up to table, whether I was walking Bandit or riding one of my horses I definitely would have done the same and given it a wide berth and got out of dodge sharpish, Last thing I want when out and about is a big dog and a picnic table bearing down on me at speed. But I just don't think I would have announced it.

 

[cbmcts]

Disappointing responses from AAD regulars. Because many of you are out and out dog people who train/work/show your dogs, you simply don’t get how many members of the public are genuinely frightened of and wary of strange dogs.

YOU might not find some of these off lead or tied up dogs threatening, but others do.

I do get it as does anyone with reasonable empathy I think and while it is just manners to mitigate others fear and wariness by keeping your dogs - of any breed or size - under closer control in public than the law requires if you notice that people are scared but dog owners are also allowed to be in public. They are a large proportion of the public too and while, quite rightly they have responsibilities, public areas are open to them too if they are fulfilling their responsibilities.

As a long time owner of a breed that has been categorised as a 'devil dog', I have had 30 years of people ranting and raving at me about my dogs, just for existing. While I will always be mindful, I cannot control other peoples feelings/fears/wariness or phobias nor do I take offence when others avoid me/my dogs. In saying that, since I no longer have access to private land to walk mine, they will be in public regularly, under close control.

By their very definition, public areas are shared spaces. It is inexcusable to let your dog bother anyone but they are allowed to be there. There are many things that I find unnerving or that make me uncomfortable but while not wanting to be unsympathetic, that is a 'me' issue. None of us of have the right to dictate that others do not follow legal pursuits in public spaces as long as it is done with consideration for others. The lack of consideration seen for others and selfishness in public is a whole other societal issue and goes way beyond dogs in my opinion

 

[Caol Ila]

Well, it is the law in Scotland now that they should be muzzled. Some people actually follow it. Hence being 'irresponsible' when it wasn't.

I have to 'read' a lot of dogs in my travels and am probably better at working out if a dog is a potential problem than their owners. This one looked pure dead scary. You'd see that on a narrow trail, you'd go the other way.

 

[cbmcts]

Well, it is the law in Scotland now that they should be muzzled. Some people actually follow it. Hence being 'irresponsible' when it wasn't.

I have to 'read' a lot of dogs in my travels and am probably better at working out if a dog is a potential problem than their owners. This one looked pure dead scary. You'd see that on a narrow trail, you'd go the other way.

Oh sure, I would have done the same with any dog that I didn't like the look of of. That's just sensible.

As said above, I've been surprised at dogs that I would have said are XLs being assessed as not being so locally so it could have not legally required a muzzle?

I'm no fan of XL types and to be honest many other breeds in the average home when there just isn't the mental and physical strength to control them. I would be happier if there were a lot more controls before people could get them and compulsory training in place once they had them but ya know, I suspect that is just a pipe dream.

 

[Caol Ila]

I would say this one was bleeding obvious. Very distinctive. Huge, with that enormous blocky head, and most assuredly not a boxer or related breed. Maybe someone decided it wasn't, but there is also a fair chance that the owners didn't know or couldn't be bothered complying with the legislation.

But yes, people should be more sensible. A few weeks ago, another dog walker advised me avoid a certain trail that day because there was a wee old lady with a German shepherd that was totally out of control, even though it was on a lead. The dog walker said it had attacked her poor golden retriever (who was very compliant and well behaved) and the owner had clung to the lead for dear life but could not stop it. I don't know if it would have had the same interest in the horse as the golden retriever, but I didn't want to find out, so went a different way.

 

[MurphysMinder]

Disappointing responses from AAD regulars. Because many of you are out and out dog people who train/work/show your dogs, you simply don’t get how many members of the public are genuinely frightened of and wary of strange dogs.

YOU might not find some of these off lead or tied up dogs threatening, but others do.

The thing is though that this thread is entitled Irresponsible Owners. As far as I can see the owner of the first dog was not being irresponsible, the dog was under control and later on lead and does not appear to have approached Landcruiser or their dog. The possible xl bully again would appear to be under control, yes if it was an xl it should have been muzzled but we don't know that it was.

As I have a breed that some people are scared of I do make sure she is always on lead or under close control when we are near others, she is daft as a brush but I appreciate other people don't know that, and anyway who wants a large, probably muddy GSD rushing up to them, even if she does just want a fuss.

 

[Tiddlypom]

We were early so pootled off down a nearby enclosed wide footpath/cyclepath. Only to be met a few hundred yards later by an off lead un-muzzled XL type male dog with a youngish guy. Who said "It's alright, he's friendly," as he saw me move my on-lead dog to the opposite side of me...but then he did snap a lead on as a cyclist also approached. (He was already past us by then)

The dog was of XL type, was unmuzzled and was off lead, and the owner did not put the dog on a lead until he had already passed Landcruiser and her dog on a shared use path.

I call that irresponsible, as LandCruiser was clearly unsettled by the size of the dog and, as we all know, airy assurances that ‘my dog is friendly’, mean feck all. Maybe the dog was not a true XL, but a large lookalike is going to spook a lot of people.

It’s polite to pop any dog of any size on a lead when you encounter people on a narrow path whether they have dogs or not.

The only time I’ve come across an XL was on a very narrow riverside path in Hay on Wye. It was on lead but unmuzzled, but by the time I’d realised what it was (it was following on behind another dog, so I only spotted it coming towards me at the last minute) I had no choice but to pass very close to it. Well within biting distance. Either that or jump into the river Wye, climb a steep muddy bank into trees, or turn and run.

 

[paisley]

'Duchessss! Duchessssss! Ooh, you are naughty !'
This to the off lead large boxer-something bombing at full speed towards me with the ancient mongrel. Made about 4-5 goes at smacking into us.
But its okay, she's friendly

 

[Caol Ila]

The other unmuzzled one I encountered last winter was on a narrower path. I took the horse bush bashing through the trees, and the dog's owner pulled into the trees on the opposite side of the path. I guess he was trying to be responsible. The dog was lunging at me, and the young, burly guy on the other end of the lead was holding onto it for all he was worth, and he did not look very convincing.

It had those cold, beady eyes, but was in a perfect sit as we shuffled towards them, until the moment that we got close; then it went from its sit to wrestling its owner in an effort to cause my untimely demise.

Then there was the other friendly neighbourhood XL I saw running around outside my flat, darting in and out of the woods between the road and the canal (which is busy with other dog walkers, cyclists, runners, walkers). The owners were ineffectually chasing it and not having much success at catching it. This was after the lead-and-muzzle law came in. I almost called the police but we were on our way out the door and didn't really have time. Later (though the neighbourhood FB group), I learned someone else did because it attacked a small dog.

 

[stangs]

Casual reminder that it can look like an XL bully, walk like an XL bully, and bite like an XL bully, but if it stands at <20in at the withers (or under <19in in the case of a bitch), the owners are under no obligation to muzzle because, as per the law, their dog is not an XL bully.

I’m presuming no one here can accurately identify by eye if a dog is 19in or 20in tall…

 

[Janique]

Not dog related but goat !

Just saw a programm on Animals TV, The Vets of Bondi Beach a very nice looking, healthy young man bringing
his male goat to the vet to get checked for extrem stratching.

The Vet found some parasite on the goat, it appear that the goat is sleeping in the nice man's bed....

Honestly, this young man could probably have any woman he wants but no, he takes his male goat to bed !

The vet told him to stop but he didn't look like he wanted to, just laughing.

Some people are just unbeliable !

 

[Tiddlypom]

Casual reminder that it can look like an XL bully, walk like an XL bully, and bite like an XL bully, but if it stands at <20in at the withers (or under <19in in the case of a bitch), the owners are under no obligation to muzzle because, as per the law, their dog is not an XL bully.

I’m presuming no one here can accurately identify by eye if a dog is 19in or 20in tall…

Indeed, but one can side eye said dog and strongly suspect that it is of type. Anyone with a large dog of any flavour ought to expect some members of the public to be very wary, and to respect that. And if it looks like an XL, even if you have an official note that states that it isn’t, don’t be surprised if many more people are frightened of it.

The one I saw was as wide as it was tall (and it was very tall) with the most humungous head and jaw, I was gobsmacked. Why would anyone want such a thing and then walk it in a busy honeypot tourist destination.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Not dog related but goat !

Just saw a programm on Animals TV, The Vets of Bondi Beach a very nice looking, healthy young man bringing
his male goat to the vet to get checked for extrem stratching.

The Vet found some parasite on the goat, it appear that the goat is sleeping in the nice man's bed....

Honestly, this young man could probably have any woman he wants but no, he takes his male goat to bed !

The vet told him to stop but he didn't look like he wanted to, just laughing.

Some people are just unbeliable !

I wonder if it is castrated? Male goats are so smelly.