Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
Blissful walk today, saw one other dog in the distance, he approached but Goose isn’t interested in other dogs, so said hello in passing and flashed off. Really lovely.
Irresponsible Owners
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Crugeran Celt
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During lockdown there were so many people walking up the lane passed our house with dogs who obviously thought it was perfectly ok to let their dogs mess on the grass verges right outside our place. In the first month of lockdown my husband picked up 300 lots of dog poo!!! In the end we put cameras up and a notice that we were filming the lane and put anyone caught not picking up after their dog on social media. It did improve but he was still picking up other dogs poo. Once people got bored with the hard walk up the lane we never saw any of them again. Wonder where they are walking their dogs now.
ponyparty
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Round by me, it would appear! All up and down the canal towpath, along the public footpaths through fields, and even along the footpath on the main road through the village, like stinky little land mines. Walking home from the pub in the dark last weekend I stepped in some. Infuriating!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I've asked a councillor for a couple of their signs to put on my gate.
Morwenna
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Oh Dear Lord….
ArklePig
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Christ! I wouldn't dream of putting my hand into my dogs crate let alone a baby.
Morwenna
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Same here. My lab is crate trained and often takes herself off into ‘prison’ (as I call it when I cue her to go in) and I would never, ever, disturb her in there. It’s her safe space.
nellietinker
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scats
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Think I’ve mentioned the Rottie that is often out of control and leaps all over us when it walks through the yard on the public footpath? I’ve had serious concerns about it chasing my yard cat and it has had my arm in its mouth on more than one occasion. Turns out it recently attacked a small dog and the police were involved as there were multiple witnesses and people have had the same problems as we have with this dog- it jumping on them and the owner telling them to “oh just push it off”. We wondered why we hadn’t seen it for a while! Not sure what’s happened with the Rottie, but thankfully the dog who was attacked is physically recovering, though sadly is a nervous wreck around other dogs now.
I said all along that it was an accident waiting to happen.
I said all along that it was an accident waiting to happen.
Arzada
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This article is about 2 dog attacks. One yesterday on a 13 yo boy being bitten by a loose dog (accompanying video and pictures) and the police having to detain it. It is also about an attack last week on a 74yo woman who was knocked to the ground by a dog with the attack continuing while she was on the ground. Apparently for about 5 minutes. The attack resulted in a broken arm and removal of muscle and tendons. She remains in hospital awaiting further treatment
marmalade76
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Poor lady, at that age, it's not easy to get over injuries like that, could well end up being a fatal attack.
Again going back to the bullies/xl bullies, pit bull types, etc, why, apart from wanting a weapon on a lead, would anyone want to own such a dog? There's always people who defend them, "it's how they're brought up/trained", etc, there must be something in them that makes the not stop once they've started, there's not many reported maulings by other types of dog, bites, yes, but not maulings. Add to that the strength of these types of dogs, the size of the jaws and the muscle around them, the potential to cause more damage than a pointy snouted dog. And they seem to be less easy to train, less inclined to be obedient (you don't see this type of dog in obedience comps, at least I haven't). Yes, there are a lot of irresponsible parents allowing children to interact with dogs when they shouldn't, but there's also adults being killed by their own dogs and random attacks in public.
No doubt someone will tell me I'm talking rubbish.
Again going back to the bullies/xl bullies, pit bull types, etc, why, apart from wanting a weapon on a lead, would anyone want to own such a dog? There's always people who defend them, "it's how they're brought up/trained", etc, there must be something in them that makes the not stop once they've started, there's not many reported maulings by other types of dog, bites, yes, but not maulings. Add to that the strength of these types of dogs, the size of the jaws and the muscle around them, the potential to cause more damage than a pointy snouted dog. And they seem to be less easy to train, less inclined to be obedient (you don't see this type of dog in obedience comps, at least I haven't). Yes, there are a lot of irresponsible parents allowing children to interact with dogs when they shouldn't, but there's also adults being killed by their own dogs and random attacks in public.
No doubt someone will tell me I'm talking rubbish.
Morwenna
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I guess some people are just drawn to them / like the look of them. Same way people like any other breed. I can’t understand it myself as I don’t really like anything about them but I also know plenty of people feel the same way about my ‘boring labrador’.
marmalade76
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stangs
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This just in: different people like different dogs.
Why does anyone want any dog? Because they look nice, because they're the thing in some subcultures, because people have different criteria for what they want in a dog's temperament, because people have had different life experiences with different breeds, etc.
I have relatives that are terrified of GSDs, because they associate them with WW2, but you don't see them going around asking why would anyone own a Nazi dog.
You don't see most hound breeds at obedience classes but no one's holding that against them.
You also see collies doing obedience work but that doesn't stop the majority of them being lunatics in other homes.
Why does anyone want any dog? Because they look nice, because they're the thing in some subcultures, because people have different criteria for what they want in a dog's temperament, because people have had different life experiences with different breeds, etc.
I have relatives that are terrified of GSDs, because they associate them with WW2, but you don't see them going around asking why would anyone own a Nazi dog.
You don't see most hound breeds at obedience classes but no one's holding that against them.
You also see collies doing obedience work but that doesn't stop the majority of them being lunatics in other homes.
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Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
Why ever not? I understand that you don't know her history but imho owners should be able to do anything they want with their own dog's toys, feed, bed, body. And one of the 1st things I would have taught would have been 'you allow me into the crate, if I want to go in there'. What do you do if she takes something in there that you don't want her to have?
ArklePig
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I just choose not to. I'm 99.9 percent sure she wouldn't bite me, but it's her safe place so I don't hassle her when she's in there. In saying that, while she'll go in no hassle when she is told, she is more likely to go to her bed when she has the choice.
Thankfully she hasn't taken something she shouldn't in to the crate yet, but she might do someday, she tends to take them to her bed instead, where she drops said item when she's told.
Thankfully she hasn't taken something she shouldn't in to the crate yet, but she might do someday, she tends to take them to her bed instead, where she drops said item when she's told.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
Many years ago I was lodging with a teacher and her 8 yr old daughter. They had a small terrier, they never touched the dog's food bowl. One day the dog got a bone, which he had been given, stuck between his teeth, across his tongue. Neither of them knew where to start to get the bone out of the dog's mouth. He had never been taught to allow them to put their hands in his food/mouth.
My family had had dogs all my life and we actually had 5 Labs at home at the time. I tucked the terrier under my arm, opened his mouth, so that I could see what the problem was and prised the bone from between his teeth. I must admit that now I might think twice about it with someone else's dog but at 18 it never occurred to me that there might be a problem - and there wasn't. But what would they have done, if I hadn't been there? I suppose paid a very expensive OOH vet bill and looked very silly because the vet would have done it as easily as I did.
There should be no 'no go areas' with any family dog.
My family had had dogs all my life and we actually had 5 Labs at home at the time. I tucked the terrier under my arm, opened his mouth, so that I could see what the problem was and prised the bone from between his teeth. I must admit that now I might think twice about it with someone else's dog but at 18 it never occurred to me that there might be a problem - and there wasn't. But what would they have done, if I hadn't been there? I suppose paid a very expensive OOH vet bill and looked very silly because the vet would have done it as easily as I did.
There should be no 'no go areas' with any family dog.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Well, we have a strict 'the dog's basket/crate is his/her safe space' rule. No pokey fingers allowed. It's essential with young children - ours were taught that from the beginning/crawling stage.
It worked very well. Our various dogs loved and were very tolerant with the lads, but when the dogs had had enough, they took themselves off to their baskets for some fully respected time out. They knew they could quietly rest there, and both lads knew that rule was absolute.
Happy safe children, happy safe dogs
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It worked very well. Our various dogs loved and were very tolerant with the lads, but when the dogs had had enough, they took themselves off to their baskets for some fully respected time out. They knew they could quietly rest there, and both lads knew that rule was absolute.
Happy safe children, happy safe dogs
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ArklePig
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I didn't say I've never taken anything out of her mouth though? I have, and there's no issue. Just thankfully she now knows what drop means so it doesn't occur often. She also lets me check her teeth, mouth, ears, paws, etc and we practice this regularly. I don't think she's going to choke on a chew because I don't bother her when she's in her crate. If I ever need to and she savages me I'll be sure to post an update/hope I make the Belfast Telegraph.
FWIW I wouldn't care about looking silly in front of my vet, I'd just be happy my dog was okay
FWIW I wouldn't care about looking silly in front of my vet, I'd just be happy my dog was okay
gunnergundog
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Jesus wept.....common sense is an increasingly rare commodity it would appear.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
If the dog learns that no one ever goes into the crate, when it is in there, then imo, you are actually teaching it that it is in charge of that area. That would probably be fine with most retriever breeds, not so much with any form of guardian breed, or some terriers. When we had the rotters, they owned nothing, not even things that they found out and about. They were lovely, well socialised dogs and we worked very hard to make them that way.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
Well, we have a strict 'the dog's basket/crate is his/her safe space' rule. No pokey fingers allowed. It's essential with young children - ours were taught that from the beginning/crawling stage.
It worked very well. Our various dogs loved and were very tolerant with the lads, but when the dogs had had enough, they took themselves off to their baskets for some fully respected time out. They knew they could quietly rest there, and both lads knew that rule was absolute.
Happy safe children, happy safe dogs
Very sensible but not the same as the owner never putting their hand into the crate.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
I didn't say I've never taken anything out of her mouth though? I have, and there's no issue. Just thankfully she now knows what drop means so it doesn't occur often. She also lets me check her teeth, mouth, ears, paws, etc and we practice this regularly. I don't think she's going to choke on a chew because I don't bother her when she's in her crate. If I ever need to and she savages me I'll be sure to post an update/hope I make the Belfast Telegraph.
FWIW I wouldn't care about looking silly in front of my vet, I'd just be happy my dog was okay
So if she has to go to the vet and they crate her before/after and operation would you expect them to be able to get her out of the crate safely? They won't open the door and let her wander out in her own time.
I certainly don't think it is sensible or wise to allow small children to sit in the crate with any dog but neither do I think it is sensible or wise to not even put your own hand into the dog's crate.
ArklePig
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I do get where you're coming from here PS but I just prefer to leave her in peace there, she has zero resource guarding or aggressive tendencies so I'm happy to leave her be.
She was at the vet for her xrays last week and was perfectly well behaved when put in and out of the crate. She's going again on Tuesday for her MRI, I expect her to behave again.
She was at the vet for her xrays last week and was perfectly well behaved when put in and out of the crate. She's going again on Tuesday for her MRI, I expect her to behave again.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
I’ve always expected to be able to stick a hand in their mouths/bowls/crates. It was taught in a puppy class and Zak was already used to it.
I’m forever removing sticks from them, I don’t want a million little bits of it all over the floor. We recently got the cage out from the shed when Mitch hurt himself, haven’t actually locked him in bar one day, but I’m happy to go in and take out the water bowl to refill etc. No little kids here, so no issues with them going in. Goose is currently in there, although he knows it’s not his.
I’m forever removing sticks from them, I don’t want a million little bits of it all over the floor. We recently got the cage out from the shed when Mitch hurt himself, haven’t actually locked him in bar one day, but I’m happy to go in and take out the water bowl to refill etc. No little kids here, so no issues with them going in. Goose is currently in there, although he knows it’s not his.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
It wouldn’t occur to me not to reach into my dogs crate, they know me and are not scared of me . I wouldn’t be as sure about a strange dog though. I hated looking at that video, I could just see both dogs turning on that baby, people are soooo stupid
ArklePig
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Just walking my on lead dog in the park this morning when a lady stopped to chat, her off lead dog came bombing over but wasn't interested in Fodhla, and the lady told her dog to say hello to her and encouraged him over. I was like could you not my dog is on a lead? It's one thing when an off lead dog approaches but to actually encourage your dog over! I believe the word was 'come say hi to your friend.'
Her dog is going to get bit someday and it'll be her own fault.
I did meet a nice whippet/beagle which is quite the mix and one of the loveliest dogs I've met lately. So that was nice.
Her dog is going to get bit someday and it'll be her own fault.
I did meet a nice whippet/beagle which is quite the mix and one of the loveliest dogs I've met lately. So that was nice.
Quoth
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Well there have been catch dogs around since before recorded history. Dogs bred to hunt big game, to grip/bite it behind and above the ear and pin it down rendering it vulnerable to the human hunter. Given humanity’s fondness for hunting apex predators and other large, dangerous animals, those dogs had to be tenacious even taking mortal wounds without letting go. Then add baiting and dog fighting into the mix and “grip and pin” becomes “grip and shake”.
What you end up with is a large animal which has been selectively bred for millennia for a huge bite force, an extreme unwillingness to let go and a predatory behavioural pattern which involves it biting into the neck and face then shaking violently for maximum possible damage.
Most dogs will act out down genetically predetermined lines if stressed or appropriately triggered, when in doubt trust instinct, but a collie, a Doberman or even a lgd aren’t anywhere near as likely to kill or dish out life changing injuries when they do so. Obviously that likelihood increases the closer the dog is to the fighting lines.
when these dog attacks happen a lot of the blame gets placed at the feet of people looking for status/respect/power etc. However the reality of what could politely be called less affluent urban areas is that there is often a small minority of predatory individuals, families or gangs which keep a larger community in the grip of the fear and violence they inflict. The vast majority of these dogs aren’t going to the predators (many of whom, from personal experience, aren’t interested in looking after anything but themselves) but instead go to frightened people in the wider community who feel the need for a deterrent and because in that climate to have anything that makes you look weak is to make yourself a target.
Working dogs bred for bite work are perceived as requiring too much training, flock guards are accurately perceived as being difficult to keep. Meanwhile idiots keep trying to rehabilitate the image of the fighting dogs, calling them nanny dogs or St Francis terriers and basically marketing them as being easy dogs, great with young children that will protect the family etc.
It’s a genetic/behavioural problem inherent in a few breeds that makes them a higher risk coupled with societal problems and unscrupulous individuals prepared to exploit them which ends up putting those animals in thoroughly unsuitable homes.
add to that poorly bred, poorly trained/socialised covid dogs that have often passed through many hands now reaching maturity and you’ve got something akin to a perfect storm for dog attacks to happen.
Goldenstar
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I am not sure quite how I am going to manage living in a busy sea side village .
I am upping the walking in busy places thing from now on to get the dogs used to it but the level of stupidity on show is awesome .
I now know the local dogs now and all of those have sensible owners and these dogs are out a lot but it’s the Wild West at weekends .Looks a bit like horses it seems lack of exercise is a big thing so when they get freedom at the weekend they go crazy .
Theres a forest near here where I go a lot it’s my favourite place a lady lost here spaniel in there yesterday I then saw on FB it was dead turns out it ran onto a nearby A road as in near the forest is not on the road . I bet it hunted down the burn and ended up on the road .
Poor lady and poor spaniel .
I am off there in a minute thankfully mine do have great recall .
I am upping the walking in busy places thing from now on to get the dogs used to it but the level of stupidity on show is awesome .
I now know the local dogs now and all of those have sensible owners and these dogs are out a lot but it’s the Wild West at weekends .Looks a bit like horses it seems lack of exercise is a big thing so when they get freedom at the weekend they go crazy .
Theres a forest near here where I go a lot it’s my favourite place a lady lost here spaniel in there yesterday I then saw on FB it was dead turns out it ran onto a nearby A road as in near the forest is not on the road . I bet it hunted down the burn and ended up on the road .
Poor lady and poor spaniel .
I am off there in a minute thankfully mine do have great recall .
cauda equina
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Everything is getting more difficult on this crowded little island
Have a good walk GS
Have a good walk GS