Is this pot hunting??
- Thread starter Velcrobum
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Kat
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Definitely.
I would happily pay to be a member of something if it covered everything and once joined that was it rather than messing about with the fragmented structure we have now.
I am already a BHS member, partly for the insurance but also because I think their work on road safety, access and welfare is important. When I did exams I needed to be a member too.
I joined BD as an affiliate member (free) in order to access some paid for training and events when we had an active local group. I have also considered their quest membership.
Then there is my riding club membership (unaffiliated, we don't have any affiliated riding clubs near here).
I specifically only do unaffiliated or riding club ODE and hunter trials due to the heights I jump but I wouldn't want to commit to paying for BE membership. Likewise BS.
I have also from time to time considered membership of one of the endurance organisations for pleasure rides but have always decided against as I don't have time to really make the most of it, especially as there are several organisations all running rides near me so ideally I would want to do rides run by more than one.
The current fragmented approach doesn't work for your average hobby rider.
It also doesn't work for lobbying for the sport. We would have much more power as one united voice, but now the BHS's power to lobby is diluted because they lose members when members start doing affiliated competition as they tend to only retain one membership.
The Fuzzy Furry
Getting old disgracefully
Showing is as bad for multiple organisations in England.
Have a breed, say a registered Connemara (any breed will do).
To compete for breed rosettes and register ownership you need to be a member of the ECPS so pay annual subscription.
Want to get to HOYS or Olympia (or Olympia equivalent this year) and you need to join the BSPS and possibly also the TSR or NPS If you want to do everything, plus you need to register (annually) the pony with those societies, then add on entry fees to the shows concerned. Plus also get an annual or life height cert as applicable if pony tight to height or as a requirement under rules.
Other multiple organisations too, TSR, P UK, BSHA, NCPA, UKPH, SHB GB, BSPA, CHAPS, Veteran Horse Society.....
You could spend shed loads on various memberships and annual registrations just for one mythical versatile animal.
Makes the likes of BE etc cheap sometimes....
Have a breed, say a registered Connemara (any breed will do).
To compete for breed rosettes and register ownership you need to be a member of the ECPS so pay annual subscription.
Want to get to HOYS or Olympia (or Olympia equivalent this year) and you need to join the BSPS and possibly also the TSR or NPS If you want to do everything, plus you need to register (annually) the pony with those societies, then add on entry fees to the shows concerned. Plus also get an annual or life height cert as applicable if pony tight to height or as a requirement under rules.
Other multiple organisations too, TSR, P UK, BSHA, NCPA, UKPH, SHB GB, BSPA, CHAPS, Veteran Horse Society.....
You could spend shed loads on various memberships and annual registrations just for one mythical versatile animal.
Makes the likes of BE etc cheap sometimes....
shortstuff99
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There are plenty of suspect animals that have passed licensing/ grading. Especially if they are graded young. Woodlander Farouche is a good example, even Totilas to be honest (as he broke down reasonably early). The PRE and PSL studbooks are a bit like that, the mares are graded but don't have to prove any ridden aspect.
milliepops
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i think we've discussed this before but I don't think that you can call a horse that had a successful GP career as having broken down early. that's a HUGE workload for a horse to tolerate.
shortstuff99
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He is suspect for some genetics factors, a few of his sons have WFFS.
milliepops
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yeah so that should be picked up by other testing as mentioned upthread i think, it's a separate thing in my mind?
Velcrobum
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Thanks that was where I was looking, it eventually popped up info on balloted and wait listed. No balloting for the OI but a wait list in place. Interestingly they have waitlisted 5 people each of which had 2 horses entered but have accepted
5 entries from Piggy March and Jonelle Price.
4 entries from Tom Jackson, Tim Price, Arthur Duffort and Harry Meade.
3 entries from Ludwig Svennerstal.
If they had restricted each competitor with multiple rides to 2 each those 5 wait listed would have had their entries accepted and got their run in.
Some weird balloting in the 3* Gemma Tattersall has had 1 balloted 1 accepted yet other riders have 3 rides accepted. I guess when the section lists come out it might seem a bit clearer. At the moment it appears both 3* sections are listed as one.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Am I the only one old enough to remember the day BE, BD and the BSJA split from the BHS? I couldn't understand why, and I still don't. Overnight, anyone who wanted to compete in all 3 suddenly had 3 horse and 3 owner registration fees. What did it gain for them to split?
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Bernster
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I have to say, if here was one overriding (hah pun) organisation that would be more interesting to me!
Kat
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I have a programme from an event back when it was BHS horse trials, but I was too young to know about it at the time.
I think Trec is still linked to the BHS isn't it?
I do think it would be preferable to have one overarching body with sub-divisions for different disciplines.
Membership could be a basic payment to the main organisation with a supplement to the discipline specific arm if you want to compete above a certain level (perhaps with a grassroots and elite level fee rather than just one).
That would mean there could be specialisation while keeping the advantages of one main body and avoiding duplication.
Wishfilly
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I think you don't have to offer the training as such-although having it there would be very useful to some people. Obviously endurance is less risky, but there's no training as such that goes with the pleasure rides/novice rides but the grading system does ensure that people are safe and their horses are up to it before they get up to doing the race rides. I think it would be great to have a sort of "have a go" type competition at around 80, where rosettes were awarded for double clears etc, and perhaps you had the option to miss out jumps without being eliminated. And the option to do this on a free membership, which I think is important.
Offering that opportunity around lower level tracks also means that those who are e.g. bringing an established horse back into work, who might be accused of pot hunting, have an easy option for a first competition.
The other thing about endurance is that at every level (even a pleasure ride) the horses have to trot up sound before being allowed on course, which I think would be a massive improvement to all horse sports!
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Velcrobum
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I also remember that and I think it was power and/or politics within BHS. A retrograde move IMHO as you said it made everything much more expensive for us competitors.
iknowmyvalue
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One of the BE venues near me runs unaffiliated “have a go days”, which I think would be a fantastic idea for BE to take up. Essentially you can pick your dressage test, SJ height and XC height separately. Which would be great for encouraging people who might not have the experience in one or more of the disciplines to try it. Maybe if you didn’t have to be a member to do it, but members got a discounted entry fee? Rather like PC do with their open events.
Definitely agree I’d be much keener to pay membership to an overarching organisation, then a sub-fee to the branch I was most interested in. Would be happy to pay a sort of “day ticket” fee of £10-20 to compete in other disciplines, especially if I could compete in multiple classes on said ticket.
Definitely agree I’d be much keener to pay membership to an overarching organisation, then a sub-fee to the branch I was most interested in. Would be happy to pay a sort of “day ticket” fee of £10-20 to compete in other disciplines, especially if I could compete in multiple classes on said ticket.
LEC
Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.
It was due to BSJA - no surprises.
teapot
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Hell will freeze over before the all BEF bodies talk to each other, let alone work together...
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
And will be another cold day in hell when all the UK passport issuing organisations submit to a central database....
iknowmyvalue
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I mean at least there’s (technically) a central microchip database for all horses registered in the UK. so you can use chip details to find who the horse has been passported with.
How many people actually make the effort to register microchips from non-UK (including Irish) passports is questionable though… (since they’re not registered automatically, they need to be done online by the owner)
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
True. It would be worth trying to tighten up people's behaviour around microchips anyway.
Velcrobum
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Could you give a link please I have an Irish TB and assumed as he is ex-racer his microchip would be registered!
Wishfilly
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I think a public information campaign around this would be a really good start. I think a lot of people wouldn't necessarily know you'd have to register an Irish equine's microchip yourself, or why you should.
Wishfilly
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Not that you shouldn't register it, but if your ownership of him is registered with Weatherbys, they'll be able to link your details with his chip.
iknowmyvalue
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The Fuzzy Furry
Getting old disgracefully
I registered on the Equine Register 2 days ago.
Once I put my details in, it notified me I had 7 in 'my stable'.
I hadn't put any in, but the database pulled up the last registered keeper, spread over 5 PIOs.
Sadly, I notified them that 5 were pts at various times previously, 4 of which I'd notified the PIO when this had happened, the last one I hadn't.
Within 48 hours the PIOs had updated their records, and I still have 2 there, both very much alive and info all correct.
Once I put my details in, it notified me I had 7 in 'my stable'.
I hadn't put any in, but the database pulled up the last registered keeper, spread over 5 PIOs.
Sadly, I notified them that 5 were pts at various times previously, 4 of which I'd notified the PIO when this had happened, the last one I hadn't.
Within 48 hours the PIOs had updated their records, and I still have 2 there, both very much alive and info all correct.
iknowmyvalue
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It is a very useful website! If foreign passports are overstamped by a UK PIO (which again, they should be, but many aren’t) I think details should go on there automatically too.
we use it a lot when passports have been lost, or a horse purchased without a passport, to check which PIO a horse has been registered with from the chip, then we can make sure the correct duplicate passport application is used.
we use it a lot when passports have been lost, or a horse purchased without a passport, to check which PIO a horse has been registered with from the chip, then we can make sure the correct duplicate passport application is used.
milliepops
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Oh my. i tried registering on the Equine register. What a massive faff! it wouldn't accept me as the owner of my homebred so that's had to go to investigation as there are no previous owners. it won't find either of the Wetherbys passports. there was some issue with my AES one. None popped up automatically. I'm giving up for a while, the welshie has a french microchip so I bet that won't work either!
MuddyMonster
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No, TREC is run by Trec GB. It stopped being part of the BHS a long time too.
iknowmyvalue
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What a pain! I’ve registered both my Irish boys very easily on there ?
nikicb
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I have just tried with 5 different UELNs - 3 current horses and 2 I lost last year. It doesn't recognise a single one - 2 Pet-ID passports, 1 Irish horse register, 1 Arab Horse Society and 1 WPCS. Hmmmm..... not really sure what I am meant to do/need to do next.
milliepops
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in fairness, the issue with my yearling was resolved yesterday, they seem pretty speedy about getting things fixed. it just requires a bit of effort to even get that far. Had to submit multiple photos of various pages in the passports. I'm not sure quite why i have bothered tbf but i thought I'd press on! despite having to submit ID to register they somehow managed to spell my name wrong too.