Lets justify Hunting for sport!:)

[cptrayes]

Nobody hunts this area with hounds. High Peak Harriers hunt the High Peak and down the other way, not the western side of the Peak Park. I assume the beagle pack have folded, I haven't heard the dogs bark or seen the guys in green coats out on foot since the ban.

 

[happyhunter123]

I assume the beagle pack have folded

I don't think any registered beagle pack has actually folded (some have amalgamated) since the ban, but it may be that they just don't visit your end any more.

 

[cptrayes]

I don't think any registered beagle pack has actually folded (some have amalgamated) since the ban, but it may be that they just don't visit your end any more.

The kennels were only a mile away. I don't hear the dogs any more, they've gone. If they "amalgamated" it was more of a takeover and they have disappeared.

 

[Alec Swan]

The kennels were only a mile away. I don't hear the dogs any more, they've gone. If they "amalgamated" it was more of a takeover and they have disappeared.

....... and you still manage to maintain and support a problem? HOW?

Alec.

 

[cptrayes]

....... and you still manage to maintain and support a problem? HOW?

Alec.

Could you translate that into English for me Alec?

 

[happyhunter123]

The kennels were only a mile away. I don't hear the dogs any more, they've gone. If they "amalgamated" it was more of a takeover and they have disappeared.

Ah, I reckon that it's a pack called Mr Elliot's Beagles. They were a private pack. Apparently, they are now called Mr Elliot's Harriers, although where they are based I do not know.

 

[AnaV]

Nancykitt- You are excused. Continue believing you are right to kill other animals.

 

[cptrayes]

Ah, I reckon that it's a pack called Mr Elliot's Beagles. They were a private pack. Apparently, they are now called Mr Elliot's Harriers, although where they are based I do not know.

They were a harrier pack (is that a given with beagles?) but that confused me. The brown hare is almost an endangered species, so I couldn't understand why they were allowed to hunt them, if that's what they were hunting.

The High Peak are Harriers too, but I don't know if they hunt(ed) hare or fox.

Do you know what the situation was with hunting hare? Clearly it's illegal to hunt them now with dogs, but was it legal then to hunt a species where numbers were dangerously low?

 

[Vulpinator]

They were a harrier pack (is that a given with beagles?) but that confused me. The brown hare is almost an endangered species, so I couldn't understand why they were allowed to hunt them, if that's what they were hunting.

The High Peak are Harriers too, but I don't know if they hunt(ed) hare or fox.

Do you know what the situation was with hunting hare? Clearly it's illegal to hunt them now with dogs, but was it legal then to hunt a species where numbers were dangerously low?

The brown hare is no where an endangered species it is running rife in most parts of east anglia and most arable areas of the country trouble is in other areas its diet for crops rather than grass makes it a more palatable sport for gypsies

 

[happyhunter123]

Was it legal then to hunt a species where numbers were dangerously low?

Hare numbers are not dangerously low-that is a huge misconception. Go to East Anglia and you'll see hundreds (every field it seems has a few) of them. In other areas, (such as the South West) they are lower (although I do know of areas in the South West where they are actually very high). Numbers tend to fluctuate greatly every year. Hare hunting was perfectly legal, and in areas where the hare population was fairly low low probably did more good than harm.

They were a harrier pack (is that a given with beagles?) but that confused me.

Sorry, don't understand . If they're a pack of beagles, they're a pack of beagles. If they're a pack of harriers, they're a pack of harriers. I'm guessing that this pack changed the type of hounds that they used.
The High Peak hunted hare and foxes.

 

[Countryman]

Lots of people tend to think beagle packs kill lots of the hares they hunt, like foxhound packs do (or rather used to). That's not so-in my experience, before the ban my local foxhound pack killed around 200 foxes a year. While my local beagle pack killed precisely 7 hares! 7 Hares in 60 days hunting isn't really going to damage population numbers at all, but it may well kill a few diseased crippled hares, and it will also help encourage landowners and farmers to preserve hares, not to shoot them, and to provide hare-friendly habitat.

 

[cptrayes]

Hare numbers are not dangerously low-that is a huge misconception. Go to East Anglia and you'll see hundreds.

I don't live in East Anglia, this site refers to my general area of the country and measures which have been taken to conserve brown hare because population numbers in the area were more severely hit than in other areas:

http://www.merseysidebiobank.org.uk/BrownHare/

 

[cptrayes]

Sorry, don't understand . If they're a pack of beagles, they're a pack of beagles. If they're a pack of harriers, they're a pack of harriers. I'm guessing that this pack changed the type of hounds that they used.
The High Peak hunted hare and foxes.

But beagles don't hunt fox, do they? I am only asking for information here, I don't see the need to laugh at that? When I saw the pack out on my hillside, what else might they have been hunting but hare?

Surely harrier only describes their prey, not the kind of dog they are? I assume that the High Peak used to hunt hare and fox with a foxhound pack, since they had mounted followers?

 

[happyhunter123]

But beagles don't hunt fox, do they? I am only asking for information here, I don't see the need to laugh at that? When I saw the pack out on my hillside, what else might they have been hunting but hare?

Surely harrier only describes their prey, not the kind of dog they are? I assume that the High Peak used to hunt hare and fox with a foxhound pack, since they had mounted followers?

Beagles are bred to hunt hares. In some unusual circumstances they have been used to hunt foxes (although they all too often they riot on them ).

Harriers are a separate breed -they are bred to hunt the hare, but many packs switched to hunting foxes owing to a decline in the hare populations in some areas. Harrier packs need high populations of hares to hunt, whereas beagles don't. They tend to have short hunts on hares, and catch them frequently. If hare population is low around you, I'm guessing that the High Peak probably hunted foxes mainly. Harriers are larger than beagles, but smaller than foxhounds. Some packs that I have known have called themselves 'harriers' but were actually packs of foxhounds.

Sorry, I was laughing because I was confused by your post, not at you for not understanding, so please don't worry

 

[cptrayes]

Thanks for that, I had no idea at all that there were foxhounds and harrier hounds. Are beagles always hunted on foot? The local pack was very smart, green coats and Pateys, but only foot followers, so I'm guessing that beagles don't run far or fast enough to follow on horseback?

 

[happyhunter123]

Thanks for that, I had no idea at all that there were foxhounds and harrier hounds. Are beagles always hunted on foot? The local pack was very smart, green coats and Pateys, but only foot followers, so I'm guessing that beagles don't run far or fast enough to follow on horseback?

Yes, they are normally only hunted on foot (although unusually according to Baily's 94/95 the pack we are talking about here, Mr Elliot's, was 'occasionally hunted mounted'). There is also one pack in the US also that hunts cottontails using beagles, mounted. But yes, because they don't run great distances you don't need a horse. Harriers are much faster hounds, owing to their size and so they are usually hunted mounted in this country. In Ireland there are both mounted packs and numerous foot packs of these hounds.

 

[Carefreegirl]

See / listen to today's news.
4 week old baby loses a finger after a fox got into the house. This is in London.

 

[TarwinBate]

See / listen to today's news.
4 week old baby loses a finger after a fox got into the house. This is in London.

Not such 'sweet' and 'innocent' foxes now are they.

 

[Alec Swan]

I reckon that there should be packs standing in London. How about we suggest some names?

The Belgravia, would be quite smart, The Pimlico perhaps a little avant garde.

Anyone else?

Alec.

Ets, my OH has just suggested that Urban Gang Members could be given a free hand. If they want to kill something, they could have their very own bit of "Country"!

 

[Simsar]

Alec its Sarah I suggest The Belgravia I would love to be your Whip please I can stable my horses at Eaton Mews xxx

 

[Countryman]

The good old Maida Vale would have to be included! Maybe the Hackney Marsh (Harriers), the Pentonville Foxhounds? Also how about the Clapham Farmers?

 

[missroses nanna]

Ask the parent of the 4 week old baby !!!!!!!

 

[Alec Swan]

The good old Maida Vale would have to be included! Maybe the Hackney Marsh (Harriers), the Pentonville Foxhounds? Also how about the Clapham Farmers?

Love it, with the Maida Vale having a stallion hound called Elgin!

The Clapham Farmers, venerable, at the very east!!

Alec.

 

[AnaV]

You still do not understand after 60 pages. A fox referring to 'one' fox. That does not mean you get on your high horse and kill 'foxes'. If, a large cat such as a tiger 'wandered' into your home, that too would try to kill your young to eat. The point is those who are for hunting do not have a real reason behind what they do but try to justify the murder. Pathetic.

 

[Countryman]

It must really annoy you that nobody else sees the killing of animals as Murder, like you seem to...

 

[Alec Swan]

AnaV,

apart from generally sounding off, which you've done, what else do you hope to achieve on this forum? Is it your intention that you would be able to explain your points, in an attempt to get others to agree with you?

You've failed to accept the well reasoned arguments of others, just as there are those on here who've ridiculed your claims, claims I might add which are becoming ever more bizarre.

There is no progress to be made, by either camp, as this is a PRO-hunting forum. Are you a member of any Anti Field Sport forums? Would they be open to my membership application? Shall I join with them and continually drone out the same lines about how I'm really in to killing living creatures? Were I to do that, would the rest of the board consider me to be a Troll, as most do you?

As a matter of interest, are you a member of the league against cruel sports, or any other such campaigning group?

Why continue with your campaign on here, when you've no chance of success?

Alec.

 

[Vulpinator]

You still do not understand after 60 pages. A fox referring to 'one' fox. That does not mean you get on your high horse and kill 'foxes'. If, a large cat such as a tiger 'wandered' into your home, that too would try to kill your young to eat. The point is those who are for hunting do not have a real reason behind what they do but try to justify the murder. Pathetic.

AnaV

When will you realise after 60 pages we actually don't want to be lectured by one crazy mixed up fur loving mad person we love our sport you love foxes there lays the fundamental issue you are different to us and don't want to enjoy the things we do we don't want to enjoy your lifestyle sorry no punctuation don't enjoy it

 

[AnaV]

No clearly Countryman you do not believe it is murder but I beg to differ on 'other' peoples opinion. Darling there those of us who respect other living things.
Many a time I have heard hunting folk say 'oh we do not intend to kill the fox, it just happens to be there.' Unusual how many of you have different views as to why you have the right to slay animals nowadays. You plan to kill the animal because you can and want to then you go ahead and do the deed.

Alec, in which way bizarre? Yes I am part of the League Against Cruel Sports and Cinservatives Against Fox Hunting.
It would as you say, be the same if you were to come and share your opinion with those who possess something which you do not called 'humanity'. I started this thread to hear the latest petty pleas of those like yourself. Your attempt to justify why you have the right to deny an animal its life has been rather amusing.

 

[Molasses]

has been rather amusing.

Yay! AnaV's happy at last
Does that mean the thread is finally over now

 

[Vulpinator]

No clearly Countryman you do not believe it is murder but I beg to differ on 'other' peoples opinion. Darling there those of us who respect other living things.
Many a time I have heard hunting folk say 'oh we do not intend to kill the fox, it just happens to be there.' Unusual how many of you have different views as to why you have the right to slay animals nowadays. You plan to kill the animal because you can and want to then you go ahead and do the deed.

Alec, in which way bizarre? Yes I am part of the League Against Cruel Sports and Cinservatives Against Fox Hunting.
It would as you say, be the same if you were to come and share your opinion with those who possess something which you do not called 'humanity'. I started this thread to hear the latest petty pleas of those like yourself. Your attempt to justify why you have the right to deny an animal its life has been rather amusing.

Well that says it a zealot say no more hope you enjoy your time in the gas chamber