Linda Parelli teaching how to hit with the snap

Well I'll be dammed, all this years I've always thought it rather nice and correct for a horse to walk happily at your side, without pulling lagging behind, kinda like a partnership. :D

Someone needs to tell this woman there is no i in team.
 
They just keep digging and digging and I think they need to sack their publicist as they clearly dont have a clue!!

Do these people know the meaning of the words Damage Limitation???

Honestly do they think we are all brainwashed enough to fall for skelping a horse in the face with a metal clip????

They just keep proving to me that there is nothing NATURAL about NH. I have renamed it NASTY HORSEMANSHIP.

Nikki xxx:(
 
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However please tell me what is the best way to train a pushy horse not to barge into you or drag you to and from the filed?

Oh dear...There are many ways to stop a horse without resulting to smacking a horse around the head with a stick, slapping it around the head with a rope and metal clip.
Your horse might stop barging you out of the way but that's because they are now scared of you and probably head shy form all the whacking.

How did/do people stop their horses from barging without the aid of an orange stick, a large metal buckle and a rope...I'm surprised she didn't have a copy of her latest book in her hand and their DVD in her back pocket to both hit the pony with and then sell to the MUPPET of the owner!!!
 
TicTac said:
Yes I have watched the video and most of you seem to be missing the point.

Are you happy to lead a horse that pulls, jogs, walks in front of you or drags you every where? What is your ' remedy' for curing this habit or do you just accept it and post on here, " Help, my horse drags me everywhere, what can I do?"

The point of the video is to teach the horse personal space. ie not to walk in front of or over it's handler. It does not mean that it will never want to walk by your side because of this. This is just a lesson. If the horse is clever it will pick it up very quickly and avoid the bumping of the rope clip or flick with the whip and learn not to tread all over you.

Agreed that this method of training is definitely not for every one ( or in the case of this forum, nobody!) However please tell me what is the best way to train a pushy horse not to barge into you or drag you to and from the filed?
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There are many ways in which to teach a horse to respect your space. Many of which do not involve any kind of hitting ariund the head area which IMO is insane.
I had a very bulshy horse, who would try to charge past me, push into me etc. He soon learnt not to, because every single time he did, and I mean every two three steps! :rolleyes: I would stop him and push him back two steps. Took us forever to get anywhere, but he soon learnt that I wasn't accepting him pushing past me and he stopped. Not once did I have to hit him. Called a ****** a few times but am hoping he didn't understand :D

ETA HAving had a head shy pony, it is not a good idea to be hitting a horse in the face. It IMO is also really disrespectful when there are plenty other methods to gat the same result. May take longer because fear isn't involved, but patience is everything.
 
Shocking. Thats not horsemanship, thats not proffessionalism (spelling big time?) and no way should THAT be advertised as 'the way to do it'!
Parelli is losing ground and fast.
 
Hummmm, I certainly don't want my (or any) horse to be affraid of getting close to me. How can you ever build up a relationship with a horse that everytime it comes near you it gets shoved away. Stupid cow, she makes me so angry! I didn't watch it all but what I did see didn't make any sense.

If it EVER becomes necessary to hit a horse then do we really need a perfected tecnique? Surely a quick flick with a schooling whip is sufficiant.
 
Mmmm, I watched it for a while. Am not trying to defend her or her method here, BUT maybe this would be something which one could use best in a situation for instance where you had a really bargy horse which kept coming into your "space" as she puts it, or won't lead, or has some other vice which would merit this kind of treatment.

As I saw it, this horse was a real darling, he wanted to please his handlers and was getting punished for it.

The other thing that worried me was that neither of them were wearing any protective equipment, i.e. hat, suitable footwear, gloves, or whatever. They were not actually looking at the horse either, they were walking in front, so would have no idea what was going on behind them. It would have served them both right if this horse had reared up or done something else drastic - and they wouldn't have known anything about it.

I felt this was totally inappropriate to the horse; he'll end up totally confused by this and won't know where he stands anymore.

Tho' I wonder perhaps if this way of training would be more appropriate to the Western style of riding - where there is more of a necessity to turn a tight circle like this? Any Western riders out there? Perhaps this is the way its done?

That poor horse, I felt so sorry for him, and it seemed to go on for far too long. Not impressed.
 
I wouldn't let her near any of my horses with a 10 foot carrot stick!!! The Parellis dont seem to understand horses at all :( The more of these videos I see, the more I dislike everything they stand for. There is nothing "natural" about 99% of their training methods!
 
TicTac, to say that being disgusted with LP's treatment of the horse is unfair in some way to Parelli is just bizarre. The video is horrible to watch and given that the horse is being smacked on the jaw by a metal clip repeatedly, I think it's getting to the point where you could call a welfare organisation.

IF you saw someone with a horse in a stable and they were hitting it hard and repeatedly with the metal clip on the end of a leadrope, wouldn't you report it. How is this any different?

I imagine the horse was really sore and marked after this experience. It's completely bizarre.

There are numerous ways you could get a bargy or rude horse to respect your space.
Regarding the horse in question, LP could stop hitting it with the carrot stick whenever it turns a corner, that is making it shoot forwards. The horse is very respectful and sweet at the start of the video, for a moment I thought, "Oh look, the parelli's have actually trained that little horse well, it likes being with it's owner and is walking really sweetly with her."

What a silly mistake, it was being dangerous at that point - apparently.
 
I'm sorry, I really did laugh at LP, the woman is a complete looney, I am speechless after watching that video. I know it has all been said but why, oh why do people believe in such rubbish. I can't bear the thought of all those poor horses being subjected to all that c...p. I am amazed she hasn't been trampled, either by a p....d off horse or its owner!! She and Pat are well suited, nasty pieces of work who shouldn't be allowed to teach this sort of stuff.
 
TicTac said:
Yes I have watched the video and most of you seem to be missing the point.

Are you happy to lead a horse that pulls, jogs, walks in front of you or drags you every where? What is your ' remedy' for curing this habit or do you just accept it and post on here, " Help, my horse drags me everywhere, what can I do?"

The point of the video is to teach the horse personal space. ie not to walk in front of or over it's handler. It does not mean that it will never want to walk by your side because of this. This is just a lesson. If the horse is clever it will pick it up very quickly and avoid the bumping of the rope clip or flick with the whip and learn not to tread all over you.

Agreed that this method of training is definitely not for every one ( or in the case of this forum, nobody!) However please tell me what is the best way to train a pushy horse not to barge into you or drag you to and from the filed?
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Hmmm there are MUCH better ways to teach a horse to respect your space, there is absolutely no need to use such an abusive and aggressive method :mad:
 
I really used to love watching Parelli and thought it was amazing to watch.

This is the second video I've seen which has made me think twice about the techniques they use. Surely using this method on your horse would make problems worse... More likely to not trust you, reluctant to lead, head shy??

Why on earth someone would want to use that 'snap' technique on any horse is beyond me... But everyone is different I guess :rolleyes:
 
Having seen some of linda parelliis videos on this forum I am agast that this way of training if you can call it that has a following, not that i know anyone who does, the woman has serious anger management problems.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, Parelli students, but isn't this more from the same Level 1 instructional DVD set that has had bits ripped and publicised before? Is this from the same set that showed Linda working with the one-eyed horse?
Oh just to answer an earlier question - Parelli is supposed to apply to all horses and all styles of riding. It's not just about western. Some western riders would say it hasn't got much to do with western riding at all.
 
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I am sorry but what the hell is the horse doing wrong to be treated so badly it isn't being led correctly at one point it nearly steps on the rope because the owner isn't paying attention and the rope is to long. I used to sit on the fence with discussions on Parelli but not now it is barbaric and any one who practices it I will happily practice this so called horsemanship on them see how long they can stand being whacked in the head.
 
I'm not going there. The Parelli's are a money making machine, you give it, they spend it. Did see a promotional video of theirs a couple of years back and if I wanted to learn more had to send £xxx amount of money. A friend who had spent loads of money on it for her horses, said she'd show me on my mare took me months to get my mare's trust back and she did say at the time, she was going to fork out to be taught how to teach the Parelli method, so she'd make a living from it. Haven't seen her since and I've heard on the grapevine, she gave up riding because her horse started bolting out on hacks???:confused::confused::confused:
 
Sounds familiar EchoBravo, I've known a few that tried Parelli and without exception they rode less, their confidence around horses dropped and their prieviously good mannered horses, developed ground and/or ridden problems.
 
I truly believe this woman has mental health issues. What on earth was that horse doing that was wrong.

'See how safe I am when he's so far away from me' I think one day will be her last words.

ETA It is just not normal and so uncomfortable to watch and hear her delight when a horse is being hurt.
 
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Echo Bravo said:
I'm not going there. The Parelli's are a money making machine, you give it, they spend it. Did see a promotional video of theirs a couple of years back and if I wanted to learn more had to send £xxx amount of money. A friend who had spent loads of money on it for her horses, said she'd show me on my mare took me months to get my mare's trust back and she did say at the time, she was going to fork out to be taught how to teach the Parelli method, so she'd make a living from it. Haven't seen her since and I've heard on the grapevine, she gave up riding because her horse started bolting out on hacks???:confused::confused::confused:
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EB, i think alot of people, especially youngsters who haven't trained or had alot of experience of breaking in, schooling, stable management etc. think this the easy, alternate way of getting on with their horses/ponies which in my mind is so wrong- i totally disagree with Parelli, Monty and any other form of Natural Horsemanship- i am all for the old fashioned ways of taking time,schooling,getting to know the horse etc, but i have no doubts that alot of forum users will disagree!
 
I don't mind old Monty, as I have seen a lot of his shows (only on t.v) and he never seems to use violence, in fact I think he say's there is no place for violence around horses.

He is patient with them and they do 'come around'

Linda Parrelli and her clan on the other hand! :mad:
 
rosiefronfelen said:
EB, i think alot of people, especially youngsters who haven't trained or had alot of experience of breaking in, schooling, stable management etc. think this the easy, alternate way of getting on with their horses/ponies which in my mind is so wrong- i totally disagree with Parelli, Monty and any other form of Natural Horsemanship- i am all for the old fashioned ways of taking time,schooling,getting to know the horse etc, but i have no doubts that alot of forum users will disagree!
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I haven't had much experience of anything to do with horses, only been riding for a year or so and don't have a lot of opportunity to 'hang around' the yard (not for a lack of want but I'm just a punter, pay, ride and leave sort, and the yard people don't like us being around much), and I've come to this forum to learn - but I think it is just common sense that what that woman's doing is plain wrong! On many levels - her lack of understanding of any basics of learning, her 'issues'... Anyway, hello everybody, I'm new here :-)
 
Oh Jesus C I watched a few minutes of this and do not see why people are so flipped out. It looks to me like they are using their method of teaching a horse to stay out of their personal space by shaking the snap to get the horses attention..... NOT hitting the horse. I cannot say I am a follower but their methods are obviously working for some people or they would hardly be as followed as they are. I have seen entire barns full of these people and no animal was harmed as fas as I could see. Just a lot of happy campers playing ball with their horses in groups that I refrained from joining. I say get off of the negative obsession with these people and get on with your own methods. I have witnessed abuse and I hardly classify this as abuse. If you do not want to use their methods then don't but save your pity for horses who really need it if you want to call the abuse card
 
Teddybully said:
I truly believe this woman has mental health issues. What on earth was that horse doing that was wrong.

'See how safe I am when he's so far away from me' I think one day will be her last words.

ETA It is just not normal and so uncomfortable to watch and hear her delight when a horse is being hurt.
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I think you're absolutely right. Each time she or the owner inflicted pain on the horse she laughed. Sadistic or what ?
Hope the day one p****d off horse speaks for all the countless horses she has 'trained', there is video footage of that too.
 
Parelli isn’t for me, but I never had any gripes about it until the more ‘dedicated’ followers refused to admit that the system is just as bad as any training method when applied poorly- like here.

I absolutely will not accept the excuses of ‘you don’t understand what we’re doing’. Rubbish, if you have a problem horse or producing a horse from scratch it should be very simple what you want them to do. You then praise this behaviour you want, not continue whacking it round the head.

Parellin is based heavily on negative re-enforcement, such as the release of pressure. Nothing wrong with that, horses go, stop, turn, are ridden and lunged using this.

But please don’t tell me it’s the only way to treat a horse and if you don’t use Parelli, you are an ignorant heathen. Because when I see things like this, I'm more inclined to think some Parelli followers are utter hypocrites
 
JadeWisc said:
Oh Jesus C I watched a few minutes of this and do not see why people are so flipped out. It looks to me like they are using their method of teaching a horse to stay out of their personal space by shaking the snap to get the horses attention..... NOT hitting the horse. I cannot say I am a follower but their methods are obviously working for some people or they would hardly be as followed as they are. I have seen entire barns full of these people and no animal was harmed as fas as I could see. Just a lot of happy campers playing ball with their horses in groups that I refrained from joining. I say get off of the negative obsession with these people and get on with your own methods. I have witnessed abuse and I hardly classify this as abuse. If you do not want to use their methods then don't but save your pity for horses who really need it if you want to call the abuse card
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She is quite clear about hitting the horse with metal clip. Pretty painful I would have said.
 
JadeWisc said:
It looks to me like they are using their method of teaching a horse to stay out of their personal space by shaking the snap to get the horses attention..... NOT hitting the horse.
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If you watch further on in the video she appears to clearly give him a sharp, hit on the nose... And by his reaction it's either hurt him or shocked him, if not both.
 
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