Loaner causing trouble!

Birds of a feather flock together, mother has in her possession goods which belong to OP, go to the police station and ask them to help get them back, the mother has no right to hold them.
O by the way, it sometimes helps if you knock at the neighbour's door first and explain what has happened!
 
Update for you all..
We saw 2 very suscipious cars driving around by the yard, stopping and trying to look in, watching my yard that is, not my sisters.. So we had the very scary looking (but soft as a brush) dogs out loose, just incase anyone wanted to come in. See another very suscipious car with trailer attached, but kept going with usual duties.

I got 2 withheld phonecalls and my car alarm went off, went out but nothing there, very strange, was feeling a little on edge, so could just all be a coincidence, but I'm not sure, in the 4 years of owning my car the alarm has never randomly gone off.

Anyway, come 1 o'clock, make my way to sisters yard, and low and behold, mother is there, without her daughter, demanding why I have taken back Buzz, stating her daughter knew nothing about this and that her daughter saw him yesterday and he was fine, so apparently I took him last night? Anyway, I explained the situation, mother point blank refusing to believe me and said I will wait for my daughter, meanwhile, my sister had printed off an itemised livery bill, which she handed over to her, again saying it couldn't be true as the she was certain her daughter would not leave Buzz uncared for! So we are waiting for a good 45 minutes, until the daughter, boyfriend and a very scary looking man appeared out of no where, shouting at me and my sister, claiming we had no right to take the horse, no she would not be giving the tack back, and I had to return the horse within 24 hours (deluded girl!)
By this, the mother realised she had been lied to once her daughter dropped herself in it, by shouting at the groom who stopped her from taking Buzz that night. The tack was in the mothers car, the boyfriend got the tack out put it in his own car and left.. I kept very calm, stated I had every right to bring him home as she was not abiding the contract we both signed, and her mother witnessed. I mentioned the letter and the solictor and the police, the girl didn't know what to say, started crying saying Buzz was her life and she offered to buy him off me there and then, sorry no.

So, was left no better off, the mother kindly paid the outstanding livery bill, and said she would try to get the tack back for me, as she could understand there was some kind of misunderstanding, she sounded very worried when I mentioned the police, asking if I had told them the name of her daughter, (previous trouble maybe?). Left it at that and said I am still getting a solictor letter as the way she spoke to me, my sister and her staff was appauling, let alone her mother, who seemed very stressed out about it all.

I feel like it was a scene of a TV programme or a novel, christ knows what is going on. But I will be livid if my tack is harmed in anyway or sold!

One thing to make me feel slightly better (but mean) her and this scary looking bloke who said nothing ran off through one of the fields, which happened to have a very grumpy mare, and some of the yearlings, who chased them right the way down, luckily no one was hurt, but I felt it was just.

Can we all pray my tack isn't sold! x
 
Haha sounds like a saga!! Glad mother is no longer looking through rose tinted glasses.

Are you on facebook? Get the story as wide as possibly, and with pictures of the tack! Never know, someone decent might come across them/the tack.

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Oh my God! Well at least your sister got the bill paid so that's one thing. I can't believe the mother! I'm sorry, but it is YOUR HORSE!!! You are entitled to get YOUR property back, whether that be horse or tack or both!

Hopefully though the mother know sees the truth and you will get your tack back. What a pallaver

Sorry, just to add, I can't believe you tell the mum you have the horse, mum says daughter saw him last night, then wants to wait for daughter as doesn't believe you. Sorry, but why would you lie?!
 
The boyfriend stole the tack , so report it to police straight away, the longer it is out of your possession the more difficult the situation. You have no contract with bf, he has committed theft., You witnessed the act, now record the time and date, make a statement to the police and they will attend.
If the only contact you have is mothers address , give it to them.
Also mention scary bloke who intimidated you, and trespassed.
 
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Bonkers2 said:
The boyfriend stole the tack , so report it to police straight away, the longer it is out of your possession the more difficult the situation. You have no contract with bf, he has committed theft., You witnessed the act, now record the time and date, make a statement to the police and they will attend.
If the only contact you have is mothers address , give it to them.
Also mention scary bloke who intimidated you, and trespassed.
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Exactly! Delighted to see that the OP has won round 1. It seems she has handled it perfectly. Now off to the police for Stage 2.
 
Interesting thread and you have far more patience than I have with people like that.
When you get your tack back and I'm sure you will, if you live near me and want it checked over bring it round. If there's anything wrong with any of it, I'll find it and can provide you with a written report on it if needs be.
Oz (Saddler)
 
Progress of sorts OP .
I do think you will need a letter from a solicitor to progress things on your side,try the police again it's worth a try .
Threatening you is not allowed try telling the police you feel threatened and about the odd stuff at your home .
Keep a close eye on Buzz I hope they are not nuts enough try to take him better safe than sorry .
Do you have a friend a little way away that might keep him for a couple of weeks just in case ?
 
I can't believe how much of a spoilt brat this girl is.
Also glad the mother believed you in the end, although she should have believed you much sooner - blood thicker than water and all that.

Definitely report the boyfriend to Police for theft.
Unfortunately I doubt they'd be able to do much right away, unless the mother was willing to help them re his address/name.
And definitely get a Solicitor involved now.

And I would be quick about it, before the mother sides with her daughter again and refuses to help.

This girl has got a lot of growing up to do.
I hate that she's giving loaners such a bad name!
 
I hope OP got the vehicle details. I think OP is in a better position to be honest ........ and the mother allowed the bf to remove the stuff from her car, so not exactly whiter than white.
 
gembear said:
Definitely report the boyfriend to Police for theft.
Unfortunately I doubt they'd be able to do much right away, unless the mother was willing to help them re his address/name.
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If the police are investigating a crime, do people get a choice over whether they give out any relevant information they have? Without getting themselves in trouble, I mean.

OP I'm curious as to why you let them walk away with the tack? Had it been mine, I'd have phoned the police the minute the mother refused to give it back and wanted to wait for her daughter instead. I probably wouldn't have broken into her car but the second her car was unlocked I'd have been in there pulling the tack out. At least your sister got her livery bill paid.
 
Luce85, I think you need to stop playing so nicely now.

1, report boyfriend, mother and daughter for theft. If you have vehicle registrations or descriptions, all the better.Back this up with a letter from a Solicitor stating they have x amount of days to return it, or you will pursue a charge against them.
2, report all suspicious behaviour at the same time as reporting theft. This may prompt the police into taking your case a bit more seriously.
3, If their behaviour of continuing to turn up and harass your sister/you/whoever is about, kindly report them for harassment.
4, Perhaps ask the police to pay a visit to their house and explain exactly why they have no rights over horse, tack, and anything else from the loan agreement.

Please act quickly, don't let them continue to mess about with YOUR belongings any longer.

Really hope you get this sorted OP. What a horrid situation and what a little brat this girl is.
 
cremedemonthe said:
Interesting thread and you have far more patience than I have with people like that.
When you get your tack back and I'm sure you will, if you live near me and want it checked over bring it round. If there's anything wrong with any of it, I'll find it and can provide you with a written report on it if needs be.
Oz (Saddler)
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What a kind offer.
 
Well done so far, good luck with rest. Definately report theft (as taking your property without your consent, infact against your express wishes it is theft) to police including car reg if you got it. Shame you found a bunny boiler as a sharer.
 
Yes, very kind offer Oz.

If you do get the solicitor's letter done, perhaps add that there is CCTV coverage on the horse. I don't trust this girl and her male cronies not to try again (thankfully they don't seem intelligent enough to do things quietly).

At least the mother paid and seems to be starting to see the light. If the mention of the police spooked her get the official letter sent out ASAP. I would definitely go back to the police. Say they came to your property and you think they plan to steal the horse, they may visit, you never know.
 
Crumbs what a saga. Poor you OP.
I would definitely be taking steps to hide Buzz a good few miles away for a couple of weeks.
I would say that little visit was Harassment!

Hopefully you can get a suitable Police or Solicitors help now - Mu Hunch is that Mother knows this is not the first instance of her daughter getting into trouble...

Kind offer Oz - Hope it doesn't come to that!!
 
I feel a bit sorry for the mother in all this - not half as much as I do for you OP - but nevertheless what a horrible way to find out your daughter is a dishonest, aggressive, irresponsible person who neglects horses and threatens people.

I would definitely get a crime number. Report it to Police, tell them you don't need them to investigate at this stage as you know who has it, but you need a crime number to help the legal process and you may need help to recover your property if your attempts through the civil process fail or if the tack leaves their possession.

I'm married to a police officer and he says they often respond better to the people who say "I don't want to waste your time but I need x from you, than those shouting and screaming and demanding action (not that I think you are) You may find they're more than happy to help as it will be a crime that is easy for them to 'detect' so it will add to their crime detection figures. They like straightforward cases and now the boyfriend has taken it (not the daughter with whom you had the cvil agreement) it's pretty straightforward.
 
How great is this forum and the people on it? You get sensible advice, support and professional help should you need it! (kind offer from Oz the saddler)

I think you're not far off getting a resolution on this now. The mother obviously doesn't want the police involved, so in the cold light of day here's hoping she persuades her little brat of a daughter and the moronic boyfriend to return the tack forthwith. If not, you know what to do and don't hesitate to do it. I agree with whoever posted that it might be wise to move Buzz for a bit, just in case. Good luck with phase 2!
 
Hard to do a detailed reply on my phone, but the mother rang this morning saying she would try to get my tack back. Buzz has been moved to my broodmare barn where there is always someone there and cctv so he should be okay! But if anything else suscipious happens, I have somewhere he can go stay for the time being.

I wouldn't have let him take the tack but he just went off and took it out, as we werent standing on the car park but by the old stable, luckily we have his number plate and car details incase needed, rang back the police who said if I havent got my tack back after 6-7pm today, they will pursue ut further.

Thank you very much Oz for a lovely offer, i very much appreciate it :)
 
Good grief, that's crazy OP. I'm going to pick up my horse tomorrow from a loan home after I have ended the contract, am hoping it will be a simple pick-up...

I would keep a very close eye on your horse, perhaps even buy some old (not working necessarily) CCTV cameras off Ebay and stick them up as I would expect that would put anyone off messing about at your yard. I would absolutely report the theft of your tack to the police and get a crime ref number which I'd then get a solicitor to include in his letter to them demanding the tack back or further action will be taken. Perhaps worth just contacting the mother direct (if you are able) and telling her what you'll be sending your daughter if she doesn't return all tack within 24 hours. The mother sounds vaguely shocked at her daughters behaviour so may be able to sort it.

It amazes me how cocky some loaners can be thinking the horse is somehow fully theirs! Do they not understand what a loan is and that as the owner you can take the horse and YOUR stuff back whenever you like?!
 
Literally just read this whole thread - beginning to end - BELIEVE me they will be hoping you just give up.
Please bring me up to date:
Have you filed a police report on this girl?
If not please do. Contact your local CAB for free legal advice on the tack situation then file for a restraining order on this girl to keep her away from your property. If she breaches that she's in big time trouble! Xxx
 
Funny how she was ok until the boyfriend came along, how much of an instigator has this A**hole been ? my gut tells me he is trouble, possibly demanding to come before your horse ie the less visits from her and when you stood your ground, he saw trouble which he probably thrives on and put ideas in her head while she didn't like her toy being taken away, him stirring the crap like hell, but it sounds like she is major league trouble all by herself!

The poor Mum has probably been lied to and deceived all along, this stuff only makes people more wary of loaners, what a drama!

Good Luck OP you must be stressed to hell xxx
 
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cinnamontoast said:
OMG, does she know where he is now? Might be worth letting the police know that she plans to take your horse by giving them a call on 101. If you don't get the tack back, report it as stolen (if she intends to permanently deprive you of your property, that is theft). Hope she disappears!
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This, absolutely.
 
Well.. No sign of the tack until 10 minutes..

My bridle has been returned covered in red paint, jumping saddle is unharmed from what I can tell, but my dressage saddle is scuffed and scratched to bits! I am livid.
The fools obviously didn't see my CCTV which has got a clear picture of them throwing it over my fence, and their faces plus number plate of the car.

Now what! Can I do anything to report this or is all down to experience?
If the boys and girls want to go round I would very much welcome it!!!
 
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