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vixann said:
do i have to say it again??? really????
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Just to remind you as you seem to be having memory failure and jumping on every one who also noted that you did indeed ask how much you would get for the pony from the slaughter house. You said "Does anyone know how much ponies are bringing at the moment?"
 
jaypeebee said:
Just to remind you as you seem to be having memory failure and jumping on every one who also noted that you did indeed ask how much you would get for the pony from the slaughter house. You said "Does anyone know how much ponies are bringing at the moment?"
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Thank you.

You will also note OP, that I'm not out to 'get you', as I said, I believe you caused this unrest by posting such. sorry, but there it is.
 
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jaypeebee said:
Just to remind you as you seem to be having memory failure and jumping on every one who also noted that you did indeed ask how much you would get for the pony from the slaughter house. You said "Does anyone know how much ponies are bringing at the moment?"
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Thank you jaypeedee. It is good to remind the OP of her opening post!!
 
pastie2 said:
What if another horse owned by you is also misunderstood and ends up in the same predicament as the one you have given up on. Sorry OP but you dont or shouldnt just jump from one horse to another. Have you tried looking at your own skills of horsemanship?
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Oh I see so this is my first horse and it hasnt worked out?
I work with young horses, unbacked horses, problem horses - this is the 1st time this has happened to me - The pony has been tried by someone else before me and I have had parelli nuts look at him - i havnt just woke up one morning and said think ill give up now for no reason. Dont judge my horsemanship skills and I wont judge yours.
Sorry to say but when he goes his stable will be filled with another - possibly from the sales - is that not allowed either?
 
natalia said:
Missyme10 - I'm afraid to say you have a very "black beauty" outlook on things, esp. regarding money in meat horses. A horse is ALWAYS worth more alive and useful. End of. Potters don't also always pay you for small ponies and foals, they will dispatch them but they have no real meat value. If you want me to go in to how this all works in depth them PM me! The horses ending up at UK markets are normally sadly there for a reason, those who have been passed round market to market and are well "known" to regular traders will tend to only fetch about £400, this is what most people who buy reg. out the sales will take a punt on. This is STILL more than meat money. This would normally be a chancey buy that you would have a go with to sort out. Add in to the cost of the horse of keep and transport, even if only for a few days. Unless you are purchasing large horses for about £200 a head there really is NO MONEY in sending horses to slaughter and even then profit would only be £100 or so poss. less after your expenses. Compare this to the £400 average you would get from a sale and there's no
comparison really, hence why horses are pushed pillar to post round the sales when they really should end up in a place like Potters. So in fact, the horses who do end up there are the lucky ones, who have escaped the downward market spiral. And rest assured, there is NOTHING more heartbreaking than seeing a horse that you used to own in bad condition at the sales.
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very good post and very true off the poor mites at the sales this week I saw.
 
vixann said:
Oh I see so this is my first horse and it hasnt worked out?
I work with young horses, unbacked horses, problem horses - this is the 1st time this has happened to me - The pony has been tried by someone else before me and I have had parelli nuts look at him - i havnt just woke up one morning and said think ill give up now for no reason. Dont judge my horsemanship skills and I wont judge yours.
Sorry to say but when he goes his stable will be filled with another - possibly from the sales - is that not allowed either?
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I am sorry to have offended you, but if your opening post was anything to go by, I am sure as hell wont freeze that I wouldnt want to send you a horse to sort out.
 
natalia said:
Missyme10 - I'm afraid to say you have a very "black beauty" outlook on things, esp. regarding money in meat horses. A horse is ALWAYS worth more alive and useful. End of. Potters don't also always pay you for small ponies and foals, they will dispatch them but they have no real meat value. If you want me to go in to how this all works in depth them PM me! The horses ending up at UK markets are normally sadly there for a reason, those who have been passed round market to market and are well "known" to regular traders will tend to only fetch about £400, this is what most people who buy reg. out the sales will take a punt on. This is STILL more than meat money. This would normally be a chancey buy that you would have a go with to sort out. Add in to the cost of the horse of keep and transport, even if only for a few days. Unless you are purchasing large horses for about £200 a head there really is NO MONEY in sending horses to slaughter and even then profit would only be £100 or so poss. less after your expenses. Compare this to the £400 average you would get from a sale and there's no comparison really, hence why horses are pushed pillar to post round the sales when they really should end up in a place like Potters. So in fact, the horses who do end up there are the lucky ones, who have escaped the downward market spiral. And rest assured, there is NOTHING more heartbreaking than seeing a horse that you used to own in bad condition at the sales.
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Sorry but I disagree, in the current climate, a horse isn't always worth more alive and useful than dead, the market is so dire people can't give horses away.
Just look at all your unwanted abandoned ponies, who is gonna pay anything for them?
The reality is they are worth more as meat, and I'm sorry but I've seen pics of ponies that have gone to potters, nice fine ponies, just no one wants them - so its not like they are all unsound, ill, old, or nutters.
Look at the 3 nativeponies bought from potters field that are now useful ponies?
They sure as hell dont look ready for the knackers yard in the pics. Just your average unwanted pony thats veryging on worthless in the current market.
This of course supports the need for the likes of potters, and I do agree with need abattoirs.

I also dont agree there is hardly any money in it, the "meat man" seen lurking at every sale in the UK seems to make a decent living! As do many others that are behind closed curtains meat men!

I do stand by what I've previously said and further explained in more recent posts, and that is I have issues with people who have little regard for life, particuarly those that supposedly claim to "save" these equines, and claim to be genuine horse lovers, when they are not better than the meat man and are in it for a quick buck. I'm talking your regular users, but one persons definition of regular may not be anothers, so misunderstandings may occur!! :D
I'm not talking about people like the OP - totally agree with her sending her dangerous horse to potters,

Hardly a "Black Beauty" outlook? I'm not even sure what that is tbh!! Similar to fluffy bunny ?;)
 
vixann said:
Oh I see so this is my first horse and it hasnt worked out?
I work with young horses, unbacked horses, problem horses - this is the 1st time this has happened to me - The pony has been tried by someone else before me and I have had parelli nuts look at him - i havnt just woke up one morning and said think ill give up now for no reason. Dont judge my horsemanship skills and I wont judge yours.
Sorry to say but when he goes his stable will be filled with another - possibly from the sales - is that not allowed either?
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Win some/ lose some but to get a dangerous horse out off this world is the best thing
 
jemima_too said:
I really hope for you and for your horse that the end for her comes as you want it to BUT it is as well to be aware of the other options and what they mean to the horse because there are old horses, as with some people, where the blood vessels have collapsed sufficiently that a needle cannot easily be inserted. .
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This is exactly what happened when Ben, our Border Terrier was PTS and he was so much lighter than any horse of course. Luckily, he was sedated first so did not know anything about it but I am heartbroken that what should have been a simple job, putting an old dog out of his suffering ended up almost being botched and this was in an up to date surgery with everything to hand. It was the longest ten minutes I've known and my over riding memory of him; it shouldn't have been like that at all, I should have been relieved that he wasn't suffering and remembering him as a young dog full of fun, not the sight of the needle being moved about so much in the hunt for a vein. I wouldn't like anyone else to go through that at such a traumatic moment for them; I'm a pretty strong person but that dissolved me in bits and yet another reminder why I wouldn't use it on my horses..
 
Tankey said:
I find the use of language very interesting in this thread.
If you have your horse shot at home then it is being PTS or euthanised, whereas if you have your horse shot at Potters or Turners, it is being slaughtered.
Whether your horse is shot, injected, slaughtered, put to sleep, goes to sleep (as someone said ), then end result is the same and the horse is dead..end of.
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My understanding is:

Slaughter = horse goes for meat, owner potentially makes a (small) profit.
Euthanasia = horse buried, rendered or cremated, owners pays for it.

And that's the nub of the heated feelings on the subject.
 
itsmylife said:
clever enough to not have a dangerous horse.
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does that make you clever or just fortunate? Having seen a dangerous horse in action, including physically attacking the 4x4 that was preventing it escaping onto a road, and attacking other horses over their stable doors whilst it ran wild, having seen the injuries it inflicted on people in earlier attacks one of whom almost lost his life, I wish the owner had taken him to potters when advised after the very first human attack. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but to see you judging an owner who had made that call before anyone is killed is sickening, and people on here call her irresponsible!! Had this horse attacked your horses in the field then I would bet you would be the first screaming for it to be pts and that you wouldn't care how it was done. Why is it impossible for some of you to accept that some horses are just nasty and dangerous, perhaps caused by humans in their past but way beyond any 'curing', you obviously have no idea at all just how dangerous our much loved animals can be if they so choose! I would love one of you to take this pony from Vixann just to see her proved right, so come on, put your money where your mouth is and offer it a genuine (and for life) home!!!!
 
I can't believe this thread is still going and has provoked so much emotional response. Everyone is always going to have different views and sentiments. I can't understand the OP posting such a provocative thread on here. If the decision has been made to send the pony to the abbatoir, then what does it matter what money it is bringing? Just make the decision and get on with it, or are you holding on for an extra £10 in case prices go up next week?
 
hch4971 said:
does that make you clever or just fortunate? Having seen a dangerous horse in action, including physically attacking the 4x4 that was preventing it escaping onto a road, and attacking other horses over their stable doors whilst it ran wild, having seen the injuries it inflicted on people in earlier attacks one of whom almost lost his life, I wish the owner had taken him to potters when advised after the very first human attack. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but to see you judging an owner who had made that call before anyone is killed is sickening, and people on here call her irresponsible!! Had this horse attacked your horses in the field then I would bet you would be the first screaming for it to be pts and that you wouldn't care how it was done. Why is it impossible for some of you to accept that some horses are just nasty and dangerous, perhaps caused by humans in their past but way beyond any 'curing', you obviously have no idea at all just how dangerous our much loved animals can be if they so choose! I would love one of you to take this pony from Vixann just to see her proved right, so come on, put your money where your mouth is and offer it a genuine (and for life) home!!!!
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I am well aware that some animals can be dangerous thanks, I already have animals who for one reason or another cant be ridden and they have a home for life with me.
I simply quoted the ops first post and had a childish reply from her. If i was in the ops position and if pony in question is really dangerous and every other avenue had been explored the pony would be put down at home. Not dragged to a slaugherhouse. If the pony really is that dangerous how are they going to catch it and load it anyway?
 
ok so this may seem a silly question, but, thank goodness, so far ive never had to have a pony put down, and 59 pages is an awful lot to read!

is having a horse taken to somewhere like potters the only option because a vet wont put it down at home as it isnt diagnosed with any illness?
or is taking it to a factory place an option because it pays the horse owner rather than the horse owner paying a vet?
 
A factory place? strange way of putting it... but, anyway, it is a financial consideration to send a horse to abattoir. Other options are:
put down by a vet by lethal injection
shot by a vet
shot by a huntsman
shot by a knackerman
 
Rebelzmum said:
I can't believe this thread is still going and has provoked so much emotional response. Everyone is always going to have different views and sentiments. I can't understand the OP posting such a provocative thread on here. If the decision has been made to send the pony to the abbatoir, then what does it matter what money it is bringing? Just make the decision and get on with it, or are you holding on for an extra £10 in case prices go up next week?
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Well said.
I've stayed out of commenting on this thread so far although I have read most of the pages throughout the day, I must say I'm shocked by some of the obviously provoking comments made by some people on here, is it really necessary?
 
You do get some money from an abbatoir, if it is fit for consumption. You have to get them there, so that is a cost.
If you had an animal that the vet wouldn't put down, a knacker would shoot it for you and take the body away, for a price. Telephone number in Yellow Pages or the local farming papers.
I expect a local hunt would shoot it as well, although they might hesitate for a "healthy" animal. You would have to pay for disposal as well.
 
itsmylife said:
I am well aware that some animals can be dangerous thanks, I already have animals who for one reason or another cant be ridden and they have a home for life with me.
I simply quoted the ops first post and had a childish reply from her. If i was in the ops position and if pony in question is really dangerous and every other avenue had been explored the pony would be put down at home. Not dragged to a slaugherhouse. If the pony really is that dangerous how are they going to catch it and load it anyway?
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But as the owner of the horse then that is her call and not really for anyone else to judge. You probably got a childish reply because what you posted had been posted several times throughout the thread and I would imagine she is totally pi**ed off with having to defend the same point again and again. With your animals that cannot be ridden, is that because they are dangerous to ride, how would you cope if they were dangerous to handle at all because they simply wanted to hurt any human they came across. How would you cope with vet, dentist, farrier, grooming? What about your field having a public footpath meaning you couldn't turn the animal out because it may attack an innocent person, the livery yard having children with ponies that have to skirt around your stable in case your horse attacks them or their ponies. The people who are judging Vixann on here know nothing about her or her set up, she has already said she is an experienced horsewoman, yet some are so arrogant that they think they must be better without even knowing her. So what if she is taking the pony to the slaughterhouse, perhaps she cannot afford cremation and is not in a position to bury, whichever method she chooses results in the same thing. Perhaps she should just drug the animal and send it to auction for someone else to have destroyed at their home, hopefully before it has attacked someone! Just because some of us are sentimental about our horses doesn't mean that others don't care because they don't do things 'our' way!
 
martlin said:
A factory place? strange way of putting it...
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haha mind went blank and couldnt remember the word abbatoir.
thank you for clearing that up for me Martlin and Orangehorse.
just out of curiosity would you need anything official signed to say it died if it was put down by, say a huntsman, or knackerman?
 
AFAIK no - I suppose if you were going to try to claim off the insurance there might be an issue, the insurance company would need to be notified beforehand and agree to the animal's destruction. I don't believe that horses are regulated as much as pigs or sheep where I have to get a note to say that the animal has been properly disposed of.
 
hch4971 said:
But as the owner of the horse then that is her call and not really for anyone else to judge. You probably got a childish reply because what you posted had been posted several times throughout the thread and I would imagine she is totally pi**ed off with having to defend the same point again and again. With your animals that cannot be ridden, is that because they are dangerous to ride, how would you cope if they were dangerous to handle at all because they simply wanted to hurt any human they came across. How would you cope with vet, dentist, farrier, grooming? What about your field having a public footpath meaning you couldn't turn the animal out because it may attack an innocent person, the livery yard having children with ponies that have to skirt around your stable in case your horse attacks them or their ponies. The people who are judging Vixann on here know nothing about her or her set up, she has already said she is an experienced horsewoman, yet some are so arrogant that they think they must be better without even knowing her. So what if she is taking the pony to the slaughterhouse, perhaps she cannot afford cremation and is not in a position to bury, whichever method she chooses results in the same thing. Perhaps she should just drug the animal and send it to auction for someone else to have destroyed at their home, hopefully before it has attacked someone! Just because some of us are sentimental about our horses doesn't mean that others don't care because they don't do things 'our' way!
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As I said if he pony really is that dangerous how are they even going to get it to the slaughterhouse?? What ever the op decides to do I suggest she gets on with it.
 
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