Mild moan about yards changing the goal posts !

[Merrymoles]

I left a yard when the YO banned my farrier of choice and my horse needed remedial shoeing. We went to the vet for x-rays, I rang the yard owner and told him remedial shoeing was needed and he said no so I never took the horse back to that yard. It was messy and awkward and the YO turned up at my house to shout at me but that completely validated my decision and we have been happy where we are now for eight years.

I think it all depends on how long you can put up with a situation until it tips you over the edge. If you are really unhappy, start making plans now, even if it is just for your mare at this stage.

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

"Getbackboys" I am sorry that you obviously have had bad experiences of YO's, but be assured we are all not like the way you describe!!

Some of us have had to work darned hard, we have not all "married into money" or been left it (Jeez, if only!!) and some of us take an interest in our livery clients and their horses.

I'm only small scale, have just the two DIY liveries. But I've worked my butt off out in all weathers fencing, doing field maintenance, checking on people's horses, waiting for the vet in car-wash weather late at night because of a colic, etc etc., and also quite recently bedded down in the yard to watch over a livery's horse who had colicked earlier in the evening. I needn't have done that, nope. It is the owners responsibility, yes. But I did it for the welfare of the horse and for no other reason, and I'm daft enough to do it again. Because I care, that's why. Not because I'm feeling that everyone is out there with the sole purpose of "doing me a favour". Far from it. Be assured that IF there is a bad-as-rotten-eggs YO anywhere around, the bad smell of it drifts around and people know about it!! This is the horsey world!! I live in the Westcountry, and down here everyone else knows your business before you do!! Seriously.

Yes I have my own horses who live at the yard. Why shouldn't I do that AND be a YO as well? Does that make me a bad YO?? Really??? Recently I've ridden out with a livery and her new horse to give her some confidence (my pony is a lovely Nanny!), and that is a service I was happy to provide! It was fun, we were girls together, had a good ride and a chat on a nice sunny day, passed quite a bit of scary traffic which livery was worried about how new horse would cope, and all was well! Livery gained confidence and was able to do something she wouldn't have managed else and was able to feel good about what she'd achieved!! What's wrong with that??

Running a yard is damned hard work, and at the end of the day, after you've paid punitive insurance fees etc, none of us is in it for the money! I've enjoyed taking an interest in the children and their ponies who've come through my yard over the years. Starting off with a little pony & kiddie who are doing the "first ridden" thing, through to Pony Club, and later on a strapping teenager going off hunting and eventing!! And I played a part in that! Wow, just wow. I played a part in someone else's success, by encouraging the little child who had a bad day at Pony Club and telling them they could do it! And they did! The next time was a better day, and they went on and were successful! It makes running a yard worthwhile. And now at my yard we have a teenaged daughter who's just learning to ride - and discovering the world on horseback! Fantastic! This is what it is about, and I'm sorry that anyone could feel that they can group all YO's in the Wicked Stepmother category!! We are not. Some of us actually care, and some of us take a pride in what we can contribute to the greater equine world......

 

[Merrymoles]

Well said MiJods. I am not a YO but our relationship with our YO is that we all try to solve problems together and sort what we can together. I help with fencing and am about to "plumb" in water to our furthest fields. I know damn well she would stay up all night if my horse had colic, just as I would if it was one of hers.

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

Well said MiJods. I am not a YO but our relationship with our YO is that we all try to solve problems together and sort what we can together. I help with fencing and am about to "plumb" in water to our furthest fields. I know damn well she would stay up all night if my horse had colic, just as I would if it was one of hers.

Thank you. Yep my liveries have helped out too!! Bless 'em!! I've appreciated it.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

hi all, i couldnt read and run without giving my opinion to this valid discussion so here goes, so sorry OP has this unneccessary stress as a paying livery and a customer at that. i have met and experienced a few nuts case YO myself and agree that livery yards have not come into the 21st Century but why not. it is because us liveries accept this BS because of fear of having no where to put our horses when we get kicked off because we choose to stand up for our rights.....in various divisions....i would rather pay more and get what is offered and was agreed. How many livery yards are not VAT registered and liveries are paying for YO personal horses no maintenance done to fields etc. A lot of these do not have insurance. A lot just happen to be lucky enough to have come into or been left or married in to money and are able to have land and stables so set out to do livery, but with the thought that they are doing us a favour not the other way around, drives me insane. OP if it was me i would move and the day i leave i would throw a comment about being VAT registered i would also make a call to HMS, enough is enough with these people. OP is your mare happy. Her quality of life sounds hard and therefore cant be pleasant for her or for you. I wont say anymore as a horse owner and carer her future and yours is in yr hands. i wish you the best of luck in settling somewhere, and for the rest of us bullied, taken for a ride, lied to liveries lets make a stand and start letting HMS know about these dodgy companies because at the end of the day, the livery taking yr money is a company if they are taking yr hard earned money from you

Wow! You really do have a chip on your shoulder eh? How bloody rude and bitter are you? Where do you feel you have the right to question the OP on her horse's welfare, where was that asked for anywhere in this thread? How do you know if any livery owners income is above the threshold where they are obliged to pay VAT anyway? What business is it of yours for that matter? Why do you assume that livery owners are 'dodgy companies'? Just because some of them might not suit a particular client, and yes some YO's are very difficult but then so are some liveries IME!

I have to say in the case that is the subject of this thread to YO is very controlling and not somewhere I would keep my horses but I certainly would not be threatening them with not paying taxes and reporting them to anybody at all! Why would you even think of doing that? Very bizarre indeed.

Why on earth should a livery yard owner not be able to keep their own horses on their own yard?? what is your issue with that, pretty standard with all livery yards I have come across and none of the business of any client on their yard how many horse the YO has..

I am almost speechless....but as always not entirely.

 

[ycbm]

hi all, i couldnt read and run without giving my opinion to this valid discussion so here goes, so sorry OP has this unneccessary stress as a paying livery and a customer at that. i have met and experienced a few nuts case YO myself and agree that livery yards have not come into the 21st Century but why not. it is because us liveries accept this BS because of fear of having no where to put our horses when we get kicked off because we choose to stand up for our rights.....in various divisions....i would rather pay more and get what is offered and was agreed. How many livery yards are not VAT registered and liveries are paying for YO personal horses no maintenance done to fields etc. A lot of these do not have insurance. A lot just happen to be lucky enough to have come into or been left or married in to money and are able to have land and stables so set out to do livery, but with the thought that they are doing us a favour not the other way around, drives me insane. OP if it was me i would move and the day i leave i would throw a comment about being VAT registered i would also make a call to HMS, enough is enough with these people. OP is your mare happy. Her quality of life sounds hard and therefore cant be pleasant for her or for you. I wont say anymore as a horse owner and carer her future and yours is in yr hands. i wish you the best of luck in settling somewhere, and for the rest of us bullied, taken for a ride, lied to liveries lets make a stand and start letting HMS know about these dodgy companies because at the end of the day, the livery taking yr money is a company if they are taking yr hard earned money from you

Has Dunroamin got another logon?
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[Getbackboys]

Then dont sit on the fence and make threads moaning about how awful YO are and not do something about it, making a statement but walking out doesnt change the way things are and will be for the next livery who may be bullied, lied to, made to leave for a small reason, just because i gave another solution to make YO stand up and think doesnt make me the bad guy, you all want change or there wouldnt be endless threads about bad livery yards.

Those of you who feel i have pressed a button my comment may not apply to you so why get upset, when you know my comment does apply to others, unless somewhere down the line you are maybe not covering all areas, but that is your choice.

As far as asking the OP about her horse it was a simple question which i dont doubt some of you asked yourselves whilst not actually asking the question in type? i have just lost two very loved shetlands one had sheath cancer it was beyond saving and symptoms showed and he was gone in 3 weeks it was terrible his little sheath burst in the vets hands, the other had EMS and unless i was prepared to have him live in a sandpit he would never had been pain free from lami, it broke my heart but i had to look at the welfare of the pony.

NO i do not have a chip on my shoulder and i am one of those liveries who pays before time never late never short always does more than most incl muck out the YO horses not excluding helping repair others fencing, offering and being asked to bring in muck out for liveries and YO with no cash exchanged, actually helped build a barn i was the one at the bottom of the hole in the ground bringing the rocks out which kept slipping of the digger cradle sll done from the goodness of my heart to be kind, yes be kind, and in return all i would have liked is to be given what i was offered and pay for. Only to find out i have been paying stable livery cost but had field livery and it only came to light in this instance when my ponies went and i asked the question about how much i was to now pay, lets just say i am owed £2650. but i am not going to chase sfter it i will never get it back. So DO Not label me simply because i came up with another solution, by the way i have never called HMRC or even said it but i would like to see the bullying YO face if i did say it.

You all want change then do something about it incl the GOOD YO’S. How did bullying and lgbt and racialism all get stamped out by folk doing something about it and that was not by voting with your feet. This is an open forum and if you dont like to hear everyones point of view then that is why livery yards are the way they are and continue to be.

 

[Getbackboys]

no i am not Dunroamin and i am not a Troll

 

[Getbackboys]

Mrs Jingle continue to be speachless because you heard another opinion, but if it was something you felt like having a say about maybe a different topic, heyho you wouldnt be speachless, you lot are all the same, crows sitting on a fence chirping, running YO down, oh i wouldnt keep my horse there, oh they are taking my money but not giving me what was offered, oh there is no longer 365 days turnout, then do so ething about it.

OP i tried to be polite in my question to you and i still feel that way, i hope you can find a good solution for her albeit at present someone else is having to deal with her but yes you are paying for that and thats my argument actually on your behalf. However going by other posts on H&H the big question always comes up, is the welfare of the horse good, for those who live on H&H i am not going to repeat the rest of the common sentences..

Hey ho H&H..........

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Then dont sit on the fence and make threads moaning about how awful YO are and not do something about it, making a statement but walking out doesnt change the way things are and will be for the next livery who may be bullied, lied to, made to leave for a small reason, just because i gave another solution to make YO stand up and think doesnt make me the bad guy, you all want change or there wouldnt be endless threads about bad livery yards.

Those of you who feel i have pressed a button my comment may not apply to you so why get upset, when you know my comment does apply to others, unless somewhere down the line you are maybe not covering all areas, but that is your choice.

As far as asking the OP about her horse it was a simple question which i dont doubt some of you asked yourselves whilst not actually asking the question in type? i have just lost two very loved shetlands one had sheath cancer it was beyond saving and symptoms showed and he was gone in 3 weeks it was terrible his little sheath burst in the vets hands, the other had EMS and unless i was prepared to have him live in a sandpit he would never had been pain free from lami, it broke my heart but i had to look at the welfare of the pony.

NO i do not have a chip on my shoulder and i am one of those liveries who pays before time never late never short always does more than most incl muck out the YO horses not excluding helping repair others fencing, offering and being asked to bring in muck out for liveries and YO with no cash exchanged, actually helped build a barn i was the one at the bottom of the hole in the ground bringing the rocks out which kept slipping of the digger cradle sll done from the goodness of my heart to be kind, yes be kind, and in return all i would have liked is to be given what i was offered and pay for. Only to find out i have been paying stable livery cost but had field livery and it only came to light in this instance when my ponies went and i asked the question about how much i was to now pay, lets just say i am owed £2650. but i am not going to chase sfter it i will never get it back. So DO Not label me simply because i came up with another solution, by the way i have never called HMRC or even said it but i would like to see the bullying YO face if i did say it.

You all want change then do something about it incl the GOOD YO’S. How did bullying and lgbt and racialism all get stamped out by folk doing something about it and that was not by voting with your feet. This is an open forum and if you dont like to hear everyones point of view then that is why livery yards are the way they are and continue to be.

You crack on dear, sounds like you have got some big bags of spuds on your back....

Dear forum users, the quoted post above #97 and the previous one by same poster are very good reasons why as a YO, I no longer take liveries.
Being harangued on a forum is bad enough, but to have to entertain such venom and entitlement face to face is worse.
There are some lovely equine owners out there but there are some truly odd ones too.

*plonk*

 

[Getbackboys]

Then fuzzy furry you imply venom no doubt to my post, okay once again unless you are guilty you should look at the big picture and exclude yourself from the debate. I ask why should a paying livery have to accept the venom from a YO. It works both ways and i have never been impolite to a YO so whilst you think i am spitting venom NO i am not.

I did have to witness at least 3 times a week the YO fighting eith his elderly parents in their 70’s and console his mother after he had thrown her cereal and hot coffee over her because he was angry, but hey ho i am carrying spuds on my back apparently, wtf, my big horse who has arthritis is now more lame because said YO chose to just go into my field with a fencing crew big noisy machines and my horse went crazy in fear and ran around a field slipping and slidding, but hang on i have spuds on my bsck.....do me a favour

 

[Getbackboys]

of course YO should also have their own horses but again in my past experience and no doubt others 1000’s of liveries, one winter YO horses went in to the covered arena for turnout at exactly the time that the loveries could put their horse out for a leg stretch whilst you muck out before bringing in and going to work to earn the money to pay your livery or YO puts her horses in the only dryish field same time as above, but paying liveries can put theirs in knee deep mud, others have been prosecuted over (picture recent case) but we are the paying liveries, YES not every YO is like this but sadly they are few and far between and it needs to change, because at the end of the day OUR horses are suffering....i will end now....i didnt kean to upset anyone my posts were simply just me giving my opinion....thanks for reading

 

[FireCracker238]

Sorry couldn't resist ?‍........ I'll get my coat

 

[Berpisc]

Yeah, I wouldn't feed this one guys. Not worth the time.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I will I promise ?

 

[Kat]

So ignoring the rather rude post hijack and returning to the original issue.

Op would it be worth a chat about the physio? Being friendly and trying to find out why this physio is banned. It may help you find a solution. You YO doesn't sounds nuts so there may be a genuine issue. You might be able to find a solution or it might help you feel better about having to make alternative arrangements. Maybe ask the physio to try and help too. It could potentially all be fixed by a bit of careful mediation.

With the turnout, could your horse stay out longer if you went up to fetch in later in the day? I appreciate that it isn't ideal when you are paying for full livery but a possible work around while you are sharing the sand paddock.

 

[Mary3050]

hi all, i couldnt read and run without giving my opinion to this valid discussion so here goes, so sorry OP has this unneccessary stress as a paying livery and a customer at that. i have met and experienced a few nuts case YO myself and agree that livery yards have not come into the 21st Century but why not. it is because us liveries accept this BS because of fear of having no where to put our horses when we get kicked off because we choose to stand up for our rights.....in various divisions....i would rather pay more and get what is offered and was agreed. How many livery yards are not VAT registered and liveries are paying for YO personal horses no maintenance done to fields etc. A lot of these do not have insurance. A lot just happen to be lucky enough to have come into or been left or married in to money and are able to have land and stables so set out to do livery, but with the thought that they are doing us a favour not the other way around, drives me insane. OP if it was me i would move and the day i leave i would throw a comment about being VAT registered i would also make a call to HMS, enough is enough with these people. OP is your mare happy. Her quality of life sounds hard and therefore cant be pleasant for her or for you. I wont say anymore as a horse owner and carer her future and yours is in yr hands. i wish you the best of luck in settling somewhere, and for the rest of us bullied, taken for a ride, lied to liveries lets make a stand and start letting HMS know about these dodgy companies because at the end of the day, the livery taking yr money is a company if they are taking yr hard earned money from you

My mare is perfectly happy thanks and when she isn’t that’s a discussion I will have with my vet . She is much happier now than she ever been in her younger days. Yes they are vat reg but I know many that aren’t .

 

[Mary3050]

I left a yard when the YO banned my farrier of choice and my horse needed remedial shoeing. We went to the vet for x-rays, I rang the yard owner and told him remedial shoeing was needed and he said no so I never took the horse back to that yard. It was messy and awkward and the YO turned up at my house to shout at me but that completely validated my decision and we have been happy where we are now for eight years.

I think it all depends on how long you can put up with a situation until it tips you over the edge. If you are really unhappy, start making plans now, even if it is just for your mare at this stage.

Thanks I know it’s difficult especially when you have something sorted that works for them keeping them sound and happy . I don’t blame you. I can probably put up for a bit as everything else is great . The care my mare gets from the staff is amazing. Except the turnout situation . But I guess everything can’t be perfect

 

[Mary3050]

"Getbackboys" I am sorry that you obviously have had bad experiences of YO's, but be assured we are all not like the way you describe!!

Some of us have had to work darned hard, we have not all "married into money" or been left it (Jeez, if only!!) and some of us take an interest in our livery clients and their horses.

I'm only small scale, have just the two DIY liveries. But I've worked my butt off out in all weathers fencing, doing field maintenance, checking on people's horses, waiting for the vet in car-wash weather late at night because of a colic, etc etc., and also quite recently bedded down in the yard to watch over a livery's horse who had colicked earlier in the evening. I needn't have done that, nope. It is the owners responsibility, yes. But I did it for the welfare of the horse and for no other reason, and I'm daft enough to do it again. Because I care, that's why. Not because I'm feeling that everyone is out there with the sole purpose of "doing me a favour". Far from it. Be assured that IF there is a bad-as-rotten-eggs YO anywhere around, the bad smell of it drifts around and people know about it!! This is the horsey world!! I live in the Westcountry, and down here everyone else knows your business before you do!! Seriously.

Yes I have my own horses who live at the yard. Why shouldn't I do that AND be a YO as well? Does that make me a bad YO?? Really??? Recently I've ridden out with a livery and her new horse to give her some confidence (my pony is a lovely Nanny!), and that is a service I was happy to provide! It was fun, we were girls together, had a good ride and a chat on a nice sunny day, passed quite a bit of scary traffic which livery was worried about how new horse would cope, and all was well! Livery gained confidence and was able to do something she wouldn't have managed else and was able to feel good about what she'd achieved!! What's wrong with that??

Running a yard is damned hard work, and at the end of the day, after you've paid punitive insurance fees etc, none of us is in it for the money! I've enjoyed taking an interest in the children and their ponies who've come through my yard over the years. Starting off with a little pony & kiddie who are doing the "first ridden" thing, through to Pony Club, and later on a strapping teenager going off hunting and eventing!! And I played a part in that! Wow, just wow. I played a part in someone else's success, by encouraging the little child who had a bad day at Pony Club and telling them they could do it! And they did! The next time was a better day, and they went on and were successful! It makes running a yard worthwhile. And now at my yard we have a teenaged daughter who's just learning to ride - and discovering the world on horseback! Fantastic! This is what it is about, and I'm sorry that anyone could feel that they can group all YO's in the Wicked Stepmother category!! We are not. Some of us actually care, and some of us take a pride in what we can contribute to the greater equine world......

I couldn’t agree with you more you sound an incredible YO . I only hope If I have room for a few livery I will be as good as you have been to yours . I have had some amazing YO in the past . Like you who do it and really love and care for every horse no matter what. However they seem to be few and far between now days . I have had a bad run with YO the last few years .

 

[Mary3050]

Then dont sit on the fence and make threads moaning about how awful YO are and not do something about it, making a statement but walking out doesnt change the way things are and will be for the next livery who may be bullied, lied to, made to leave for a small reason, just because i gave another solution to make YO stand up and think doesnt make me the bad guy, you all want change or there wouldnt be endless threads about bad livery yards.

Those of you who feel i have pressed a button my comment may not apply to you so why get upset, when you know my comment does apply to others, unless somewhere down the line you are maybe not covering all areas, but that is your choice.

As far as asking the OP about her horse it was a simple question which i dont doubt some of you asked yourselves whilst not actually asking the question in type? i have just lost two very loved shetlands one had sheath cancer it was beyond saving and symptoms showed and he was gone in 3 weeks it was terrible his little sheath burst in the vets hands, the other had EMS and unless i was prepared to have him live in a sandpit he would never had been pain free from lami, it broke my heart but i had to look at the welfare of the pony.

NO i do not have a chip on my shoulder and i am one of those liveries who pays before time never late never short always does more than most incl muck out the YO horses not excluding helping repair others fencing, offering and being asked to bring in muck out for liveries and YO with no cash exchanged, actually helped build a barn i was the one at the bottom of the hole in the ground bringing the rocks out which kept slipping of the digger cradle sll done from the goodness of my heart to be kind, yes be kind, and in return all i would have liked is to be given what i was offered and pay for. Only to find out i have been paying stable livery cost but had field livery and it only came to light in this instance when my ponies went and i asked the question about how much i was to now pay, lets just say i am owed £2650. but i am not going to chase sfter it i will never get it back. So DO Not label me simply because i came up with another solution, by the way i have never called HMRC or even said it but i would like to see the bullying YO face if i did say it.

You all want change then do something about it incl the GOOD YO’S. How did bullying and lgbt and racialism all get stamped out by folk doing something about it and that was not by voting with your feet. This is an open forum and if you dont like to hear everyones point of view then that is why livery yards are the way they are and continue to be.

Horse and ponies with EMS do not have to live in a sandpit there entire life . It’s to do with seasonal changes in grass, exercise levels, feed intake management and hormone levels . A horse can be diagnosed with EMS and retest 8 weeks later with levels being near normal . Just because a horse has EMS it’s not the end of the world. I regularly hear from my vet owners who think EMS is the end of the line. Your pony would have been the ideal companion for my mare . One of the conditions my mare has is EMS and she is very happy as well as having a great quality of life. So are many horse and ponies like her. Just depends on how far the owners are willing to go .

 

[Mary3050]

So ignoring the rather rude post hijack and returning to the original issue.

Op would it be worth a chat about the physio? Being friendly and trying to find out why this physio is banned. It may help you find a solution. You YO doesn't sounds nuts so there may be a genuine issue. You might be able to find a solution or it might help you feel better about having to make alternative arrangements. Maybe ask the physio to try and help too. It could potentially all be fixed by a bit of careful mediation.

With the turnout, could your horse stay out longer if you went up to fetch in later in the day? I appreciate that it isn't ideal when you are paying for full livery but a possible work around while you are sharing the sand paddock.

I have spoken to her she won’t budge it’s over something that happened years ago. YO has suggested she can help me find someone else and if they can’t help my mare we will discuss it again as put it . I discussed with YO she said as my mare is calm she will allow her to be out until before yard staff leave which is better . Thanks

 

[Goldenstar]

hi all, i couldnt read and run without giving my opinion to this valid discussion so here goes, so sorry OP has this unneccessary stress as a paying livery and a customer at that. i have met and experienced a few nuts case YO myself and agree that livery yards have not come into the 21st Century but why not. it is because us liveries accept this BS because of fear of having no where to put our horses when we get kicked off because we choose to stand up for our rights.....in various divisions....i would rather pay more and get what is offered and was agreed. How many livery yards are not VAT registered and liveries are paying for YO personal horses no maintenance done to fields etc. A lot of these do not have insurance. A lot just happen to be lucky enough to have come into or been left or married in to money and are able to have land and stables so set out to do livery, but with the thought that they are doing us a favour not the other way around, drives me insane. OP if it was me i would move and the day i leave i would throw a comment about being VAT registered i would also make a call to HMS, enough is enough with these people. OP is your mare happy. Her quality of life sounds hard and therefore cant be pleasant for her or for you. I wont say anymore as a horse owner and carer her future and yours is in yr hands. i wish you the best of luck in settling somewhere, and for the rest of us bullied, taken for a ride, lied to liveries lets make a stand and start letting HMS know about these dodgy companies because at the end of the day, the livery taking yr money is a company if they are taking yr hard earned money from you

Just when I am wondering if I should share my good fortune and have someone else in my empty stables someone reminds why I have never ever let a strangers horse live here .

 

[SantaVera]

a lots of probelms are caused by unrealistic pricing. I used to take liveries but margins are so low its not worth it unless one is in a big way, economies of scale. Livery yards are businesses and need to make a profit and provide an income for their owners. If horse boarding (ivery) was more realistically priced then a lot of things would improve, however ,I expect a lot of owners would also be priced out of horse ownership.

 

[Mary3050]

For anyone who is worried about my mares “quality of life” . My mare is very well looked after she has everything she needs . She isn’t in pain. If she needs it she gets it no matter what . She is a horse many vets and owners would put down. I got lucky and my vet decided to give her a chance. My mare has been used to try new medications and treatments that could help others like her who owners may not have taken the risk due to all the unknowns . She used to teach student vets about the medical possibilities and specifically management of horse with metabolic conditions like Cushing and EMS .

Her “quality of life” is better than most and I would even say she the happiest she been. She isn’t shut in and deprived of food like some people think. She is careful managed with her hay weighed, soaked and trickle feed so she’s never got an empty stomach. She enjoys the schooling, in hand poles, hacking and when she feels great the odd dressage test . She enjoys her work more than she ever did as a competition horse. She goes out daily even if it’s only a sand paddock she given plenty of enrichment with a hay ball and small nets tied up so she keeps moving. In the summer when the grass sugar content falls she get a grass track with time in her sand paddock and on grass. She enjoys being taken on walks , hand grazed and groomed. Yes she has a few issues that cause me a bit off stress and she does take some medication. But I wouldn’t change my choice to give her a chance to live and enjoy her life. My only regret for her is that she doesn’t have a full time companion who she can go out with but I hope when we move house I can find her a friend who requires the same management as her. Possibly another horse who’s owners think a horse with EMS isn’t going be able to live a happy life ! The house move is so I can have her at home full time , care for her as she needs, get her a friend , a nice big wood chip/ sand paddock and a grass track so she can enjoy being out as much as possible.
Just because you may think a horse who goes out in a sand paddock can’t have a good quality of life don’t presume this is true.

 

[SantaVera]

its a shame that you have had to post to justify your horse and its management. you sound like an exptreamly caring owner who loves her horse very much and does the utmost best for her. The world needs more people like you.
Its easy to spout off and be negative on the internet, a lot of people have no clue how to look after a horse with medical issues and would have had it PTS. Your horse is lucky to have you as an owner. xx

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

I couldn’t agree with you more you sound an incredible YO . I only hope If I have room for a few livery I will be as good as you have been to yours . I have had some amazing YO in the past . Like you who do it and really love and care for every horse no matter what. However they seem to be few and far between now days . I have had a bad run with YO the last few years .

Thank you for your kind words. When I had my first pony and started work I had to go and suck-up to some pretty vile people in order to be allowed to keep my pony and enjoy him, and I've never ever forgotten what that felt like.

 

[Mary3050]

its a shame that you have had to post to justify your horse and its management. you sound like an exptreamly caring owner who loves her horse very much and does the utmost best for her. The world needs more people like you.
Its easy to spout off and be negative on the internet, a lot of people have no clue how to look after a horse with medical issues and would have had it PTS. Your horse is lucky to have you as an owner. xx

Thanks i try my best for all my animals. I am getting pretty used to people judging me and mare. My vet says she so glad to have worked with me and my mare . She used to say she wished all her owners where more like me as I would do everything and anything the vet ask. I didn’t get what she used to mean as I thought most owners would do all they can for a horse that they love .She said many owners would be PTS before she even suggested it and wouldn’t try trial Durgs. I learnt soon after when people would make comments like have her PTS for the insurance money or give her a bullet she never going to give you what you have spent back. She given me so much I couldn’t care what she give me back as long as she happy. I now just think the drug that she was given as a trial will hopefully offer hope to others like her in the near future.

 

[Frumpoon]

a lots of probelms are caused by unrealistic pricing. I used to take liveries but margins are so low its not worth it unless one is in a big way, economies of scale. Livery yards are businesses and need to make a profit and provide an income for their owners. If horse boarding (ivery) was more realistically priced then a lot of things would improve, however ,I expect a lot of owners would also be priced out of horse ownership.

I don’t know about this you know….I’ve experienced crazies at all price brackets, whether it’s £20 a week or £200. However I do think animal boarding should be regulated like children’s nurseries are.

 

[sport horse]

I don’t know about this you know….I’ve experienced crazies at all price brackets, whether it’s £20 a week or £200. However I do think animal boarding should be regulated like children’s nurseries are.

Have you any experience of the cost of putting a child into nursery? I think those sort of charges would put most people out of horse ownership. As the old saying goes ' be careful what you wish for'

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Have you any experience of the cost of putting a child into nursery? I think those sort of charges would put most people out of horse ownership. As the old saying goes ' be careful what you wish for'

Or boarding a dog or cat in a decent place?