Neglected Horses - UPDATES

It requires a vet to certify suffering before removal, not the RSPCA. There is provision under the Welfare Act 2006 to remove in extreme cases but there seems to be some confusion over this case as apparently these horses have been under WHW monitoring since August.

The Animal Welfare Act really needs another good going over and loopholes that inflict even more suffering need closing.
 
I always will admit when I am wrong.
In this case i thought the "jesus wept" was aimed at my post.
As it was not i apologised for leaping forth to do verbal battle when there was no need!
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I am a nice fluffy likkle pussy cat you see!
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well thats gotta be the quickest make up in forum history!
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Not one to hold grudges...well I try
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Flame it was jesus wept about the condition of the horses, I havent heard the whole post to see what else is going on here... nutshell analysis anyone?
 
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Just because there are rugs and hay near by does not mean that they are intended for these horses - the horses in the field might not all be owned by the same people.

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Will IMO if this was the case the other owners in the field would be just as bad as the owners for just standing by and watching the horses reduce to skin and bone. I know that if I kept my horse in a field with others in that state I would do everything in my power to help the ponies and not let them get like that.
 
Mogget - very quick synopsis. Horses in shocking state, reported to various welfare bodies, nothing constructive being done, HHO users take up arms with BHS; lots of people rushing up to protest; looks like action is maybe now being taken!

That sound about right everyone?
 
That the point SO1 there are still a lot of 'maybes' about this case.

The horses will be helped TODAY that is a good thing and andy + other HHO members should rightfully pat themselves on the back

HOWEVER now is not the time to start 'falling out' or slagging off the horse charities and trotting out various other anecdotes of their 'failings'
Now I feel we should take a step back and wait until spokespeople from the original visit could maybe give us their findings, any recommendations given to the owners and when they intended to visit again. It may also be asked why they didn't act on Andy's first call (or at least tell him that the horses were under a care scheme)

It may be that the horses haven't been completely failed *but* the time frame put on the reccomendations was wrong in this case
 
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I've got a reply from another e-mail that I sent, and it says that the RSPCA and WHW have been aware and monitering the case for a while

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Erm well "THEY SHOULD OF GONE TO SPEC SAVERS" springs to mind!
 
Not commented before as there was simply no need.

But really, really well done Andy for bringing this to everyone's attention - and well done to HHO for getting this moving.

I am at a total loss to understand why any vet would not deem these horses in need of urgent attention - and it would seem that in this case there are many questions to be answered.

Let's not let it go until we get those answers.

I can't wait to hear from those who have gone to the RSPCA stand in Burghley today, to find out what the welfare's society had to say........
 
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I've got a reply from another e-mail that I sent, and it says that the RSPCA and WHW have been aware and monitering the case for a while

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Is it just me, or does that make all of this even more shocking? Yes, I do realise that we don't know all the facts, but to leave horses in this state when you are in a position to do something....? "Monitoring" sounds like a major cop-out to me.
 
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That the point SO1 there are still a lot of 'maybes' about this case.

The horses will be helped TODAY that is a good thing and andy + other HHO members should rightfully pat themselves on the back

HOWEVER now is not the time to start 'falling out' or slagging off the horse charities and trotting out various other anecdotes of their 'failings'
Now I feel we should take a step back and wait until spokespeople from the original visit could maybe give us their findings, any recommendations given to the owners and when they intended to visit again. It may also be asked why they didn't act on Andy's first call (or at least tell him that the horses were under a care scheme)

It may be that the horses haven't been completely failed *but* the time frame put on the reccomendations was wrong in this case

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Spot on.
 
Just seen H&H news, now I am little confused, well discusted that they horses 'aren't suffering' part.
From what I have heard the vet attended them prior to this and said they weren't suffering now their claimes have not changed.
Now to me even if they vet has been working with the owner, or at least knew about the case and the horses haven't improved since the last visit surley alarm bells would ring that something isn't right either with the horse, the care or both.
Or the horses were fine on the first visit, but may have declined since the last visit.
Or the horses were in a worse state on the first visit than they are now.
IMO they reasons I can think of still add up to neglect no matter what the story is behind it as the horses are well and truley past being just a little under weight.

Sorry wanted to add my 2p in as I just cannot understand in any way shape or form how someone can say they are not suffering.
 
I have been ploughing my way through the original tjread and this all morning. Really well done to all those involved for drawing the attention to those necessary!
If the societies were monitoring then why on earth weren't they advising the owners how to care for these poor animals rather than just watching and waiting for them to dien slowly and painfully! Surely it,s not illegal for them to offer advise and feeding regimes in these cases and I for one would be more than happy for my donations to go towards schemes such as this if the law doesn't allow removal!
Utterly shocking but again, well done Andy for having the sense to act!
Sorry if these charities already do as I suggested. No excuse for further deterioration with their intervention, no matter what level.
 
I am really glad that finally one of the rescue organisations is coming to their rescue.

I would though like to add that I am disgusted by all the treading carefully and eliminating information etc so as not to upset admin or break and T&Cs here on the site. or removing some photos because of background content!!!

Has everyone lost their sense of humanity here. WTF does it bloody matter!! These horses were about to DIE without intervention and quick....

Whats more important here....protectong Tand Cs and hiding their whereabouts, or getting these horses rescued from cruel and appauling conditions as swiftly as possible.

Sometimes hiding behing terms an conditions or adhering to
rules can bring about the wrong conclusion...where would we be now without those people who have lived and pushed the bounderies.

It was an extreme case and in my opinion needed to be treated differently to the normal threads.

I for one am glad someone had the bollocks to stand up and say I am not standing for it. And should be applauded not given the crap that is appearing on here.

We all know one rule does not fit all...in this case it did not fit.l

rant over....
 
Its a bit hard to keep track of what is happening (if your flicking on and off the post while at work) so many replies to read through etc to get a grasp of the latest.

Can one of you guys in a nut shell update me? (and others no doubt)

So basically a vet has seen them, said there is no suffering etc, so nothing else can be done? RSPCA and other organisations can't or won't do anything due to legal reasons etc

So are these ponies are just going to be left in this state? sorry I just can't believe what I'm hearing.
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Kenzo - no, that was a month ago. BHS and HHO members are still waiting for vet to arrive today.

Hopefully this vet will have a pair of glasses with them and the horses will be moved straight away
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The point was people were being hysterical - admin weren't complaining about T & Cs... because Andy asked for his phone number and address to be removed from the thread, people went up in arms and startedb swearing and doing all they could to get the entire thread deleted.

What crap? From what I can see everyone is pleased something is being done, thanking the people who are putting the effort in. Stop acting up to the hysteria.

Kenzo - I think that was the *old* issue, in that the vets previously had said there was nothing that could be done, NOW we are still waiting for the vet to come out to reassess before BHS can act.
 
jay-d I think you might have misunduerstood? As far as I'm aware no one was doing any of those things for fear of upsetting admin or breaking the rules. They were doing it because they didn't want the horses whereabouts to become known to the wrong people. For this could make the whole situation a lot more difficult. I think it was also in case the owners joined on here and saw the thread and removed the animals before anyone had time to save them.
 
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Its a bit hard to keep track of what is happening (if your flicking on and off the post while at work) so many replies to read through etc to get a grasp of the latest.

Can one of you guys in a nut shell update me? (and others no doubt)

So basically a vet has seen them, said there is no suffering etc, so nothing else can be done? RSPCA and other organisations can't or won't do anything due to legal reasons etc

So are these ponies are just going to be left in this state? sorry I just can't believe what I'm hearing.
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Kenzo, I believe the BHS hope to be able to remove the horses this afternoon, once seen by a vet (to essentially give them permission).
 
jay_d - well I agree that the horses need attention right now, but everyone actually wanted personal details of adress/phone number taken off to protect the person who posted them.. also so that the rescue would not be jeoperdised. We didn't want them taken down so we didn't break the T&C's
 
I'm reading all this at work - took ages to get through both threads! Its just appauling, well done HHO members for going up in arms. I am in suspense to hear what the new vet says.....
 
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Still not heard anything, just thought I'd let you all know
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Are you in mobile contact with the group down there??
 
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