EquiEquestrian556
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I know what you meant. I was just poking you with a big stick for kicks
I know.
I know what you meant. I was just poking you with a big stick for kicks
Kc, I'm feeling too lazy to quote and divide that up but...
On point one, I completely agree that the pulley system can be used to over-tighten the noseband. However, if the noseband is not over-tightened, i.e. is easily able to fit 2 fingers in without pushing into the padding, I don't agree that it is any different from a cavesson, which may equally be overtightened through ignorance or by brute force (though not to the same degree) and if suitable adjustment to the fit isn't made to allow for any padding.
On the pressure point, I understand what you're trying to say, but that isn't really how physics works - you've actually contradicted yourself by saying padding evens pressure out, and then saying "where there is a bump that protrudes slightly (we are talking the tiniest measurements here) there is going to be more pressure on that 'bump' because the padding is overcompensating for the gaps elsewhere". That's the very definition of not evening out pressure
I agree with many of your premises, I'm just not convinced by the extrapolation - you assume that the noseband is overtightened due to padding (this applies to both cavessons and cranks equally, because forcibly over-tightening a crank won't allow 2 fingers in anyway so you'd be deliberately not fitting it correctly). I completely agree that this over-tightening would cause issues and a horse to dislike it.
However, I don't agree that this means "Ultimately a crank, even done up loosely, is another mechanical method of forcing a horse's mouth closed/stopping the horse from relaxing its jaw" at all. If it's loose - and that's truly and correctly fitted (allowing for padding, as one should with any noseband) - it's not holding the jaw shut. It just isn't!
eta - I was riding early/baby piaffe bareback in a snaffle yesterday :cool3: Needs must and all that...
well my mare wont tolerate anything that sits in the area a cavesson should, have spoken to my vet and he hates cavesson and cranks as there are so many nerves running under and around the jaw in the area they sit-my mare obviously agrees. A cavesson is designed to keep the average horse from opening its mouth too wide it is not supposed to be just for decoration.
my mare is happiest in a loose drop noseband, she can open her mouth but not as wide as wide can be and it stbilises the bit and she goes best in a snaffle and a drop nothing else-she is hacked out in a halter and goes well in that although her carriage is longer in it but that is something we are working on and hopefully as she develops her muscles her carriage will become lighter in front
Utter cobblers. The caverson noseband is to prevent a horse breaking its jaw ,by grounding the lower jaw out hunting. It is also why it is compulsory to wear a noseband xc under BE rules.A cavesson is designed to keep the average horse from opening its mouth too wide it is not supposed to be just for decoration.
Utter cobblers. The caverson noseband is to prevent a horse breaking its jaw ,by grounding the lower jaw out hunting. It is also why it is compulsory to wear a noseband xc under BE rules.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the horse opening its mouth whilst ridden.
Well ,to go into the Gorey details ,a horses jaw hinges from up near the ear and if the lower jaw digs into the ground ,it will be pulled back until it breaks . A big ditch,and a peck on landing and thats it. Its one of those strange things .Nosebands are now an accepted (almost without question) part of our tack, so the accidents they prevent are very rare. So people simply forget the original reason .
Thats very interesting and gory. I suppose for the average person these days then the cavesson IS purely decorativeWell ,to go into the Gorey details ,a horses jaw hinges from up near the ear and if the lower jaw digs into the ground ,it will be pulled back until it breaks . A big ditch,and a peck on landing and thats it. Its one of those strange things .Nosebands are now an accepted (almost without question) part of our tack, so the accidents they prevent are very rare. So people simply forget the original reason .
I don't get why people like flashes, martingales and additional tack too, its just more to clean surely?!