Not sure where I now stand.

[Jerome]

"Exactly, what's the point in asking someone something if you already know the answer?"

Sometimes it's a good idea to ask a question ONLY IF you know the answer already.

For example: Ereiam_jh, did you all the stag hunt across your land BEFORE the ban?

 

[Jerome]

"I am not a philosopher."

Well, I suppose we should be grateful for at least a tiny ray of self-enlightenment.

 

[Jerome]

read "allow" for "all".

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Yes and I still illegally permit them to flush out deer. Yes I flushed out and chased deer on my land prior to the ban and still do so now illegally.

There's nothing you could do to stop me.

 

[Jerome]

Why do you think I want to stop you?

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Ah just assuming you want the law enforced.

 

[Eagle_day]

Despite the change of name, we can probably guess what Jerome used to be, but I wonder what he's going to be.

Given his skill at reading from a prepared script, perhaps he could front the new Jackanory?

 

[Jerome]

It's a matter of conscience. If you want to let the hunt across your land that's a matter for you, but - in my opinion - it means you can't at the same time condemn animal abuse. As I said before I'm sure people who hunt deer with dogs can be perfectly nice and pleasant but I personally think what they do is cruel. And so the world keeps on turning...

 

[wurzel]

"Do they strangle the bunnies? Stick to zoo-keeping. "

It sounds like it. I don't own a zoo Jerry.

Are you feeling a little bit inadequate?

Your futile insults are quite poor.

 

[Jerome]

If you think that's an insult you must have led a very sheltered life.

Stoats kill rabbits - that's how nature works. Get used to it or move to Esher.

 

[wurzel]

"If you want to let the hunt across your land that's a matter for you, but - in my opinion - it means you can't at the same time condemn animal abuse."

I hunt and allow the hunt to hunt on my land. I break the law myself, encourage my children to break the law, and insist hunts crossing my land break the law.

I also provide habitats for most british wildlife and am currently working with The Somerset Wildlife Trust to help preserve Water Voles.

I also condemn animal abuse.

Hard for you to understand?

 

[wurzel]

"If you think that's an insult you must have led a very sheltered life."

Yes I have. Do you object to that as well ?

"Stoats kill rabbits - that's how nature works."

People kill deer. Thats how nature works.

It has happened for a long time.


"Get used to it or move to Esher."

No thanks. You can keep it.

I will try and get used to nature.

 

[Jerome]

But it's not "nature". In evolutionary terms man (and indeed animal) wants to kill his quarry as quickly as possible. Compare the two options: killing the deer instanteously with a shot, or chasing it for seven or eight hours with hounds and then killing it. The latter, of course, is highly UNnatural. It is, indeed, quite perverse.

The townies, of course, love it when they visit your zoo at weekends, thinking they're living the "natural life" with the hunt, not realising that what they've signed up to has as much to do with how nature works as a Parisian poodle parlour.

Stick to zoo keeping.

 

[wurzel]

"In evolutionary terms man (and indeed animal) wants to kill his quarry as quickly as possible."

Not always true though, is it Jerry?

"Compare the two options: killing the deer instanteously with a shot, or chasing it for seven or eight hours with hounds and then killing it. The latter, of course, is highly UNnatural. It is, indeed, quite perverse."


But as you know, its not quite as simple as that is it?

Which was the last Stag hunt you went on that lasted that long?

Are deer always killed instantaneously by shooting?

Compare the two options. No deer after 10 years of shooting OR 2000 dear with numbers controlled by hunting.

I know who and what is perverse !!

(Don't rush with the last 8 hour stag hunt you were on)


" The townies, of course, love it when they visit your zoo at weekends, thinking they're living the "natural life" with the hunt, not realising that what they've signed up to has as much to do with how nature works as a Parisian poodle parlour."


Do townies visit me at weekends?

Who is that ?

Or are you saying that townies only hunt at the weekend?

Do you hunt at the weekend?

You don't know anything about it do you?

 

[endymion]

It's one of those places I've always wanted to go but never had the chance. Only there for a week because it's all the holiday time I can get next year so far :-(

Still plan to take it as much as I can. Thanks for the advice. I I ever convince my brother to spend his money taking me to Porto Fino next time he's over I'll pop in for a cuppa!

E

 

[Fairynuff]

Let me know when to put the kettle on! Do you prefer PG tips or Tetleys? M.

 

[Jerome]

Staghunting is simply a grotesque townie-inspired pantomime, masquerading as "a country pursuit". I wouldn't particularly care about this - if you want to mince around in the mud in your silly constume that's up to you - if it didn't involve abusing animals in the process.

 

[wurzel]

"Staghunting is simply a grotesque townie-inspired pantomime, masquerading as "a country pursuit". "


This is too easy !!!

Townie inspired ?!!? Are you sure ?

Which one was a townie?

Maurice de la Barre ?
Hugh Pollard ?
Edward the Second ?
Thomas Acland ?
Fenwick Bisset ?

Answers on a postcard ?

As challenging as the date and meet of the last stag hunt you went on.

You don't have a clue do you?

"if you want to mince around in the mud in your silly constume that's up to you - if it didn't involve abusing animals in the process."

Have you ever been?

 

[wurzel]

Come on Jerry !!!!!


Don't be scared !

 

[Fairynuff]

Is this going to be "game set and match" to TF? Come on J lets see a good lob! M.

 

[wurzel]

Trouble is Mairi, unlike you, this character has an honesty problem

It is a mixture of dishonesty, prejudice and a complete lack of knowledge on the subject in hand.

Not a winning combination !!!


I'll take game, set and match against both Endy and Jerry/Jerry Boy/Jerome/Karl/Burnsall or whatever the jerk is calling himself today.

 

[endymion]

As if!

Don't flatter yourself Tom. You dont debate anything. You're rude, sarcastic and use the same tired idea again and again in every argument you have. If anyone lets you have the last word it's because they are exasperated at having to listen to your monotonous repetitions!! Or they've fell asleep reading your replies. :smirk:

 

[Jerome]

Townie,

I presume you've never engaged in paedophilia. Does this mean you can't say it's wrong?

I object to animal abuse. That's why I dislike chasing deer to the point of exhaustion, as well as other grisly activities like terrierwork.

 

[wurzel]

"Don't flatter yourself Tom."

Why not ?


"You dont debate anything. You're rude, sarcastic and use the same tired idea again and again in every argument you have."


I try and debate, truly I do. But it is very hard with people who are blindly opposed to something they have never experienced or know nothing about.

And I use the same tired argument because people like you will not (and of course cannot) debate the subject.

For example Endy.. Do you think the Exmoor National Park Authority has an interest in protecting the deer ?

If you think they do, why do you think they are pro Stag hunting?



"Or they've fell asleep reading your replies. :smirk:"

But not monotonous enough for you to resist, eh Endy?

 

[Jerome]

Just out of interest, Fag, did you go to boarding school?

 

[wurzel]

"Townie,"

In what way ?

"I presume you've never engaged in paedophilia. Does this mean you can't say it's wrong?"

Presuming again. This is a sign of your problem.

Do you mean the habit of being attracted to prepubescent children or adults being attracted to individuals below the local age of consent ?

The first in my mind is criminal. The second is less clear cut. Age 16 i believe in this country but 14 in Iceland.

Are we moral paragons but the people of iceland criminals ?

See Jerry, more to every story than meets the eye !!!

Which was the last stag hunt you went on ?




"That's why I dislike chasing deer to the point of exhaustion,"


And to get your way you would sacrifice the deer wouldn't you Jerry?


Which of the DSSH hunt staff is a townie?

 

[wurzel]

Blundells.

Why?

If you find this answer confusing the answer is no, I did not.


Is this relevant ?

 

[Jerome]

I'm not sure you've done yourself any favours with this. Let's be charitable and presume you're drunk.

 

[wurzel]

"I'm not sure you've done yourself any favours with this. Let's be charitable and presume you're drunk. "

Why do you insist on speaking like an idiot ?

Which bit do you mean?

The fact I went to Blundells?


If you mean the age of consent, I will say it again.

Different people have different ideas. Sex at 14 in Iceland, 15 in Denmark, 16 in the U.K.

You can be imprisoned for homosexual relations in Oman.

People have different ideas.

You want everyone to think like you.
Anyone who doesn't is a pervert.


And if you are making a weak effort to suggest that I think that sex with pre-pubescents is ok, well, It doesn't surprise me.

You bought up paedophilia. I have no idea why. I suspect it rests heavier on your mind than mine.

Back to the subject.

What was the last stag hunt you attended?

 

[Ereiam_jh]

you object to chasing deer to the point of exhaustion.

Ok.

I chase deer with dogs but not to the point of exhaustion.

Do you object to that?

Do you think I should shoot them?

The law says I should.

Do you agree with it?

I don't.

So I just break it.

After all why shouldn't I break a stupid law?

It's fun and I'm not being cruel.

Oh and the police let me.

It seems to me I am above the law.

That's not to say I am superior to everyone else. Rtaher that it is inferior.

What do you think Jerome?

Should I shoot those deer or let them go?