Oy, you with the arthritic mare ......

I must stop looking at this thread. Some of the one liners have had me spitting my vino all over the place. I particularly liked JFTD's "and you don't like the way I post"
 
ribbons said:
I must stop looking at this thread. Some of the one liners have had me spitting my vino all over the place. I particularly liked JFTD's "and you don't like the way I post"
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*Takes bow* At your service and your family's.

In my defence, I do normally stick to the right of the T&Cs, objectionable though some of my posts may be!
 
Fun Times said:
Perhaps if you want to be certain of getting the specific individual's attention a well worded letter expressing your concerns pinned to the gate would be the more effective and appropriate course of action. Then a separate thread reminding everyone to be vigilant against deterioration in their horse's condition to cover your second and subsequent issue. The approach adopted seems potentially ineffective at best and in poor taste.
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I would agree.
 
Well I liked both Bonny and Mongoose's replies and Flirtgerty you really must read from the start. There are for and against of what CPT posted and I for one think she overstepped the mark. She used the Forum to lambast an unknown horseowner about the condition of stated animal of which none of us know nothing about so what right have any of us to have an opinion on either the animal or owner or would the people for pts like to send photos of their animals to the forum and ask our opinion on their animals. :D
 
Wow been out all day and not on here since yesterday and this has 7 pages.

No one actually knows if this horse is being seen by a vet for this issue or any other, so in fairness I think the facts should be got from the owner first before passing judgement.


This horse maybe be suffering and if the vets have said no hope, then I would have thought they would have dealt with the matter of PTS with the owner. If the vet has not been called or dealing with it, maybe words to the owner or close friend should be the course. I would think friends or family/ YO/Vet would be in a better position to make the call or pass judgement. That outsiders who mean well but t do not know the full story and facts.

The owners will be distressed about their horse anyway, but having strangers report you or get involved, will not help the owner at this difficult time. What it would do is cause bad blood for the owner knowing some outsider has interfered in the situation.

I think if the OP thinks neglect or welfare issue is the case, maybe a quiet word witht he Y/O of this yard would be my first port of call.
 
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bonny said:
Not sure what part of the original post was valid but as you seem to be quoting my answers then I'll explain my reasoning....for a start non of us know if the mare is suffering or not as we haven't seen her, she's by a public road so presumably seen by others, has no one reported her ? She has a caring owner, it's not for us to judge if she's better of dead, I think that question can only be answered by the owner and they have seen fit to let her live, who know's how long ? If anyone who see's her disagrees with that then they can report her but as far as we know that hasn't happened. All we are really doing is talking about an imaginary scenario as we don't know anyone concerned hence I don't think starting a post about someone else's horse is at best in poor taste and certainly isn't doing anything to help the mare, if indeed she does need any help !
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Op's point is valid purely because if the mares knees are swollen they will be painful, I know how painful my joints get, the lightest knock has me in tears, so this 'caring' owner needs a wakeup call, if the mare is now on three legs it will make her other front leg even more painful, you try standing with one leg taking your weight, you will find other joints also get affected
 
I know of an ancient horse (30's) and it is pitiful to see how he has deteriorated over the years. He is literally a skeleton held together by skin, absolutely no muscle mass/tone at all.
It breaks my heart to see him.

It has been suggested to the owner that there are kinder things than keeping him alive. She will not have it, it's as if she is blind to his condition.

So OP, although your sentiments are more than likely correct, getting the owners to see is another thing.
 
quirky said:
I know of an ancient horse (30's) and it is pitiful to see how he has deteriorated over the years. He is literally a skeleton held together by skin, absolutely no muscle mass/tone at all.
It breaks my heart to see him.

It has been suggested to the owner that there are kinder things than keeping him alive. She will not have it, it's as if she is blind to his condition.

So OP, although your sentiments are more than likely correct, getting the owners to see is another thing.
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I know of one too - 35yo pony being kept alive by a registered charity. The poor thing has no teeth and lives on slop. Doesn't get enough from this and the past two winters have both been his last. I'm now informed this is. I feel so sorry for the poor mite but the owner of the charity 'cares' for him so won't let him go :(
 
quirky said:
I know of an ancient horse (30's) and it is pitiful to see how he has deteriorated over the years. He is literally a skeleton held together by skin, absolutely no muscle mass/tone at all.
It breaks my heart to see him.

It has been suggested to the owner that there are kinder things than keeping him alive. She will not have it, it's as if she is blind to his condition.

So OP, although your sentiments are more than likely correct, getting the owners to see is another thing.
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Get the RSPCA to go and take a look .
Or WHW or the BHS .
 
flirtygerty said:
Op's point is valid purely because if the mares knees are swollen they will be painful, I know how painful my joints get, the lightest knock has me in tears, so this 'caring' owner needs a wakeup call, if the mare is now on three legs it will make her other front leg even more painful, you try standing with one leg taking your weight, you will find other joints also get affected
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But, in fairness, we're not 100% sure that this is mare's problem.

And the issue here is not whether or not we should be concerned (which we should), but whether posting a remarkably blunt message on a forum is the best way to get it sorted.

If OP was going to inform a welfare organisation anyway, then fine- but then what is to be gained from posting a message in this way?
 
Is it now a common necessity for charities to go round prodding owners into pts suffering horses? How is that right/ any better or more deserved than a forum message of Oi, take a good, hard look at the state of your own horse. Owners have this responsibility, it shouldn't fall to charities as a matter of course, surely?

ETA, I've not phrased that well at all, but I'm struggling to do any better. I'm not saying the authorities shouldn't be able to step in, just that owners need to man up and not wait until a charity has to turn up to tell them what they need to do!
 
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Technically, he is cared for though. He is fed, medicated, rugged when needed.

What could the WHW, BHS or RSPCA do? She doesn't not care for him :(
 
Flame_ said:
Is it now a common necessity for charities to go round prodding owners into pts suffering horses? How is that right/ any better or more deserved than a forum message of Oi, take a good, hard look at the state of your own horse. Owners have this responsibility, it shouldn't fall to charities as a matter of course, surely?
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Only since we have all become so interested in the fate of every equine in the country ! Welfare organisations must get very fed up with well meaning phone calls about so called neglected horses/pets/farm animals, that's why they need armies of people going round investigating every case.....
 
flirtygerty said:
If she's on three legs, she's NOT being looked after is she? I have an arthritic mare myself, with no lumps and bumps, I also am riddled with arthritis myself, with painful, swollen joints, I wouldn't wish the pain on my worst enemy, never mind something I professed to love
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Join the Turmeric User Group on a Facebook. It has changed my life, no word of a lie. I no longer have aches, pains, scraping knees. It's a revolution! I've now got to remember that doing certain moves won't hurt and stop anticipating the pain and taking ages to do stuff.

This thread is epic and yes, I'm watching Hot Fuzz! :biggrin3:
 
bonny said:
Thought you were away buying plates ? Have you bought them already ?
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Yes plates bought ,melamine ones from the 50ies with a hunting scene on them , lush
Set of 13 mixed pieces going to be for my new lorry which is due for delivery in September , my life is complete .....until the next time .
 
Flame_ said:
Is it now a common necessity for charities to go round prodding owners into pts suffering horses? How is that right/ any better or more deserved than a forum message of Oi, take a good, hard look at the state of your own horse. Owners have this responsibility, it shouldn't fall to charities as a matter of course, surely?

ETA, I've not phrased that well at all, but I'm struggling to do any better. I'm not saying the authorities shouldn't be able to step in, just that owners need to man up and not wait until a charity has to turn up to tell them what they need to do!
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It's ten years plus now since I was involved and then going around nudging owners of old horses was something we did regularly.
 
I'd just like to remind all those who drive that they should of course keep their eyes on the road and their attention on their driving.

My two cents on the thread...

<by all means ignore the following>

If there is a horse or indeed any animal (or human) that you are concerned may be suffering then obviously report it to your local welfare/social services (humans!) types, surely that goes without saying? Anyhow, it's been said on here numerous times, so no need for me to add to that. Although I have - no apologies offered for contradicting myself btw. Of course, I have no idea if this mare is suffering, or if she even exists. After all, I'm not a vet or an expert, I haven't seen her and the internet is not to be taken at face value. For all I know the OP is making a point about elderly neglected horses using a fictional animal to get more attention to the issue. Or the OP's account has been accessed by a journalist/random troll/crazed stalker/who knows what? I don't even know for sure that the OP exists - again, I don't know them, I have no idea who they are etc. The internet is a bit like Schrodinger's Cat in that regard. I like cats. Am I rambling or just musing now? Does it matter? I don't think it does. I have chocolate anyhow...

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I'll just stick to reminding everyone to stay safe on the roads.
 
Well Goldenstar more shame on you for putting horse owners in the situation that they were pushed into having their horses/ponies PTS when they didn't either want too or need too.
 
Echo Bravo said:
Well Goldenstar more shame on you for putting horse owners in the situation that they were pushed into having their horses/ponies PTS when they didn't either want too or need too.
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You wouldn't be saying that if you were the one having to deal with emaciated, collapsed, hobbling elderly horses left to essentially suffer until they die, daily. Believe me, many many owners need a push to do the right thing.
 
Moomin1 said:
You wouldn't be saying that if you were the one having to deal with emaciated, collapsed, hobbling elderly horses left to essentially suffer until they die, daily. Believe me, many many owners need a push to do the right thing.
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Absolutely agree, many elderly animals are kept going long after they should be, from a misplaced bellief in life at all costs. :(
 
Yes some owners don't look after their animals, you could also say that about parents and their children. But Goldenstar comes over that we mere mortals cann't look after our aged animals and must be pushed either gently or a bit more forcefully into PTS. :(
 
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