Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

Wow, what a lot of anger and criticism of Natural Horsemanship, as well as of the Parellis. I haven't been able to see the video yet, but judging by this thread it must have been terrible, so I'd be really interested in the answers to these questions:-

Have the Show Organisers issued a statement distancing themselves from this happening? Since there is video evidence and hundreds of of eye witnesses, are the RSPCA or other welfare organisations prosecuting? Has Mr. Whitaker, or the stallion's owners, issued a statement condemning what supposedly happened to their horse? Did the Head Groom actually resign, as someone earlier intimated that she had threatened to do? What is this "gum line" that was supposedly used on the horse? Is it illegal to twitch a horse? Is it illegal to hobble a horse? Perhaps some ofyou who are so anti Natural Horsemanship due to this event would be kind enough to explain all this to me.
 
Hmmm I'm bored of all this now, OBVIOUSLY nothing is going to be done about it

The show must go on ! The circus act that it is
 
Curls - read the thread and look at the videos contained in it. I think you'll find most of your questions answered therein.
Just as an aside though - there's nothing NATURAL about using gum-lines, twitches or hobbles on a horse, it is force, pure and simple.
 
Curls said:
Have the Show Organisers issued a statement distancing themselves from this happening? No, merely passed concerns and complaints directly on the Parelli Since there is video evidence and hundreds of of eye witnesses, are the RSPCA or other welfare organisations prosecuting?It would appear that the BHS are yes Has Mr. Whitaker, or the stallion's owners, issued a statement condemning what supposedly happened to their horse? No, the opposite What is this "gum line" that was supposedly used on the horse? just that, a line that is passed over a horses gums which is supposed to act as some sort of calmer, done correctly Is it illegal to twitch a horse? noIs it illegal to hobble a horse? noPerhaps some of you who are so anti Natural Horsemanship due to this event would be kind enough to explain all this to me.
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The majority of posters on here do not object to natural horsemanship at all. What is objected to is hypocracy........
 
Curls said:
Wow, what a lot of anger and criticism of Natural Horsemanship, as well as of the Parellis. I haven't been able to see the video yet, but judging by this thread it must have been terrible, so I'd be really interested in the answers to these questions:-

Have the Show Organisers issued a statement distancing themselves from this happening? Since there is video evidence and hundreds of of eye witnesses, are the RSPCA or other welfare organisations prosecuting? Has Mr. Whitaker, or the stallion's owners, issued a statement condemning what supposedly happened to their horse? Did the Head Groom actually resign, as someone earlier intimated that she had threatened to do? What is this "gum line" that was supposedly used on the horse? Is it illegal to twitch a horse? Is it illegal to hobble a horse? Perhaps some ofyou who are so anti Natural Horsemanship due to this event would be kind enough to explain all this to me.
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Missing the point by a country mile
 
"EAR SHY? By Pat Parelli
Can you touch your husband's ears? What about your best friend's, your child's or your mother's?
If you couldn't then there's probably something wrong with the relationship! This is how I want you to think of your horse's so-called 'problem'. If he doesn't like his ears to be touched its because deep down inside, he does not trust you. There is a flaw in your relationship.
When I talk about the solution here I am going to give you the natural approach, the one that consider's the horse's point of view. To effect a 'cure' you have to gain his trust and permission. The normal way is often to force the horse to accept it, twitch him, tie him, throw him…. In my mind (and in the horse's I'm sure) this is akin to rape and I won't use it.
So to do it with the horse's permission may seem to take a little time, technique and knowledge, but if you do it right you won't have to do it over. . ."
 
Curls said:
Wow, what a lot of anger and criticism of Natural Horsemanship, as well as of the Parellis. I haven't been able to see the video yet, but judging by this thread it must have been terrible, so I'd be really interested in the answers to these questions:-

Have the Show Organisers issued a statement distancing themselves from this happening? Since there is video evidence and hundreds of of eye witnesses, are the RSPCA or other welfare organisations prosecuting? Has Mr. Whitaker, or the stallion's owners, issued a statement condemning what supposedly happened to their horse? Did the Head Groom actually resign, as someone earlier intimated that she had threatened to do? What is this "gum line" that was supposedly used on the horse? Is it illegal to twitch a horse? Is it illegal to hobble a horse? Perhaps some ofyou who are so anti Natural Horsemanship due to this event would be kind enough to explain all this to me.
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There has been no knocking of natural horsemanship on this thread, on the contrary many of the posters expressing disgust seem to be natural horsepeople themselves.

I use some natural methods and some traditional methods but I have to say the hypocracy and arrogance of the Parellis has been getting to me for some time now. Mr P seems to be believing his own hype and now he has gone too far. Even some Parelli people are questioning him. It seems to be only the truly brainwashed who are defending him and accusing those questioning him of just 'not understanding the methods'. As for calling him a worldclass horsemaster - I beg to differ, Seunig was worldclass, Kotas is worldclass, Oliviera was world class, Parelli is not.

Whilst talking about this subject with an american friend, she told me that this sort of thing has happened in the States too and they were equally horrified.
 
I see that you have chosen to ignore my questions - anyone got the answers to these important points? Enough people seem to have the answer to everything else. Is someone who has a different opinion necessarily "truly brainwashed"?
 
Curls said:
I see that you have chosen to ignore my questions - anyone got the answers to these important points? Enough people seem to have the answer to everything else. Is someone who has a different opinion necessarily "truly brainwashed"?
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I think Amymay has answered some, if not all of your questions.
Reading the whole thread and watching the videos would probably shed some light as well, I can understand that it is a time consuming task, though.
 
martlin said:
I think Amymay has answered some, if not all of your questions.
Reading the whole thread and watching the videos would probably shed some light as well, I can understand that it is a time consuming task, though.
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Indeed I did - as best as I could.
 
As I've said, I haven't had a chance to view the video because I can't get broadband, but | can see prejudice when I read it. People who have condemned all Natural Horsemanship because of one episode that they weren't even at, themselves. But the hate brigade will always be jealous of people who have found success and fame and those who are traditionalists don't like the idea of not knowing as much as they thought they did. Calling it Baloney, and Rubbish etc etc shows a level of ignorance beyond belief. If the BHS are going to prosecute the Parellis, I am surprised that hasn't been reported in the newspapers - at the very least, I'd expect it to be in H&H. If the answer to all those questions I posed is "NO" then what happened can't have been as bad at a lot of the hysterical reactionists would have us believe.
 
I don't think anybody is condemning Natural Horsemanship at all. Some people express their thoughts and feelings better than others, but I haven't seen many 'hysterical reactionists' as you put it.
The whole point in this issue is that what PP did at the demo is contrary to what he preaches and not true to the NH ethos of no force etc.
I am perfectly aware that there is a lot about horses that I don't know, don't need NH practitioners to tell me that.
 
But the hate brigade will always be jealous of people who have found success and fame and those who are traditionalists don't like the idea of not knowing as much as they thought they did.
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I think that once you've had the opportunity to read this whole thread (I appreciate it will take ages) you'll see that actually there has been some quite balanced discussion here. Certainly jealousy hasn't come in to it, but certainly there has been a degree of vitriol because of the hypocritcal way in which the horse was treated by someone who is such an advocate of 'Natural Horsemanship'.

I know that certainly the BHS are investigating concerns raised over the treatment of the horse - and rightly so. That was a specticle that should never happened. However, prosecution would probably be a step to far. If it ensures that this never happens again in the form of a public display though, then any investigation has its merrits.

All we can hope for, I suppose, is a raising in awareness of not taking as gospel everything we are told by certain 'practicioners' of questionable, expensive and at times bizarre techniques.
 
Curls said:
As I've said, I haven't had a chance to view the video because I can't get broadband, but | can see prejudice when I read it. People who have condemned all Natural Horsemanship because of one episode that they weren't even at, themselves. But the hate brigade will always be jealous of people who have found success and fame and those who are traditionalists don't like the idea of not knowing as much as they thought they did. Calling it Baloney, and Rubbish etc etc shows a level of ignorance beyond belief. If the BHS are going to prosecute the Parellis, I am surprised that hasn't been reported in the newspapers - at the very least, I'd expect it to be in H&H. If the answer to all those questions I posed is "NO" then what happened can't have been as bad at a lot of the hysterical reactionists would have us believe.
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So how can you comment on something you haven't seen ?? at least we've seen more than you.

See the post above of what Mr Circus preaches - what seems to have happened is totally against what he spouted - people are not against NH just that he is a total con and does not practice what he preaches !
 
ChristmasAngel said:
There has been no knocking of natural horsemanship on this thread, on the contrary many of the posters expressing disgust seem to be natural horsepeople themselves.

I use some natural methods and some traditional methods but I have to say the hypocracy and arrogance of the Parellis has been getting to me for some time now. Mr P seems to be believing his own hype and now he has gone too far. Even some Parelli people are questioning him. It seems to be only the truly brainwashed who are defending him and accusing those questioning him of just 'not understanding the methods'. As for calling him a worldclass horsemaster - I beg to differ, Seunig was worldclass, Kotas is worldclass, Oliviera was world class, Parelli is not.

Whilst talking about this subject with an american friend, she told me that this sort of thing has happened in the States too and they were equally horrified.
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What do you mean by this sort of Thing has happened recently in the states? can you elaborate please?
 
Golf Girl said:
They have issued no statement to the effect that they are investigating the matter, to my knowledge at least.
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I don't know any investigating body that shouts from the rooftops that they're investigating? Would kind of defeat the objective, huh?

However, as you appear to have a bee in your bonnet about it, why don't you ask them yourselves?
 
martlin said:
Does it mean they are not investigating? Lack of statement (to your knowledge) doesn't prove anything either way.
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I didn't say they weren't investigating, amymay said they were. I'm therefore asking her (or anyone else, for that matter) to provide proof to back up the statement she has made. Given the seriousness of the allegation, I don't think that is unreasonable, do you?
 
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