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hi there....

am interested to hear from those of you that saw the round....

what is your view on riders hitting a horse in a class that goes out on national television???

should you smack the horse because its nappy, or bite your tongue so as not to upset the public???

this isn't a personal attack - it goes for all riders - am just intersted in hearing views....
 
If you feel the horse deserves to be reprimanded, then you should do it, whether the cameras are on you or not. We do not know what the mare is like, looked like a tricky ride to me, so I will neither applaude nor condemn her decision to give it a hiding. Just glad it didn't go over backwards with her!
 
It has nothing to do with going out on telly or not. If she believed the best thing to do was to smack the horse it was her choice. However in anyway she knew that if would rear then she shouldn't have done it. However it did add to the excitment of the tv coverage.
 
I thought the horse was about to fall over backwards, she persevered with her, but I don't think hitting her like that was the correct thing to do...
 
Ditto Weezy!

I can see both points of view but I am of the opinion that if a horse needs a belt it should get it there and then, it's no good later so in that case, begger the public but I do not agree in a thrashing if that makes sense - whether in public or not.
I have to say I was appalled at her attitude and pitied the horse as they came down the ring, that was definitely not nice to see but at the same time, I admired her for being able to sit that and get it to jump the ditches reasonably neatly afterwards.
I hope it was a 'heat of the moment' type thing and not something that happens regularly with her.
 
Pony was very bad, a real dirty stop.
IMO it deserverd a smack botty.
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I think you should do what you feel is correct and sod whether it is politically correct. Is it any worse than a jockey hitting a horse just to make it go faster?

That horse did a very dirty stop and was clearly having a go - softly softly may teach them that if the piss about they get to go back, probably not very good for a SJ'er.
 
IMO I believe the horse put in a dirty stop and deserved it. Once it had its tantrum it jumped through the double nicely so the whip must have had some affect
 
I emailed the BBC about this . to ask if they condoned animal cruelty.The RSPCA should investigate uder the new Animal Welfare Act.
Geoff Bilington won without a whip!
 
Totally agree, the TV coverage is irrelevant. The nappy horse needed a smack, I do think it looked a bit switched off from the start but thats just my opinion. There was some excellent rounds and a couple of ropy ones (the big german's round springs to mind)! But I think the result was excellent.
 
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Seriously?! Whilst I was surprised she took a horse that does not like ditches in the derby, I think she smacked it for a dirty stop, which is not unreasonable. It's reactions like yours which will IMO get equestrianism taken off the TV. Mind you, when it went up she did not look well balanced and how it did not go over backwards I have no idea!
 
I don't disagree with the smack, but I disagree with the timing. IMO she left it waaaaaay too late, the horse had already practically walked a circle! Probably had no idea what it was being smacked for.
 
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oh really, i didn't see the round, but before you know it we'll all have rolf harris snivelling into his beard and the little horsey worseys will not be forced to jump the fencey wenceys any more!
they condone cruelty to people, otherwise they wouldn't cover so much darned politics!
 
I agree with you Reashi - she was right to smack the horse...but it was definitely too late. Also not sure why she attempted the derby on a ditchy horse, but she must have had reasons. To be fair to her, she's 17 (I think?) and riding at a very high level...she can't be doing too much wrong!
 
What a difficult decision for her to have to make on the spur of the moment. The horse deserved a smack and luckily it did not go over. It jumped fine after and she looked neat and tidy through the double. My beef is that she kept her whip turned the wrong way round which looks dreadful. All in all I would think it is an experience she is not likely to forget. How lovely to see andrew jump what must be the round of his life to take second. He is a rider that doesn't get the limelight that he deserves and this may change that.
 
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What a difficult decision for her to have to make on the spur of the moment. The horse deserved a smack and luckily it did not go over. It jumped fine after and she looked neat and tidy through the double. My beef is that she kept her whip turned the wrong way round which looks dreadful. All in all I would think it is an experience she is not likely to forget. How lovely to see andrew jump what must be the round of his life to take second. He is a rider that doesn't get the limelight that he deserves and this may change that.

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Really do agree with all you have just said.
 
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What a difficult decision for her to have to make on the spur of the moment. The horse deserved a smack and luckily it did not go over. It jumped fine after and she looked neat and tidy through the double. My beef is that she kept her whip turned the wrong way round which looks dreadful. All in all I would think it is an experience she is not likely to forget. How lovely to see andrew jump what must be the round of his life to take second. He is a rider that doesn't get the limelight that he deserves and this may change that.

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Really do agree with all you have just said.

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totally agree!!
 
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Geoff Bilington won without a whip!

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You can't be serious
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I smell a bunny hugger.
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From what I saw the horse dropped its shoulder and spun out of the second - yes if she'd realised a bit earlier she could have got the smack in earlier, but it looked like a v dirty stop to me. Mind you, that is probably why you do well and I am a happy amateur.
 
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Geoff Bilington won without a whip!

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You have to be joking?!

You're not an experienced horseman then?
 
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It has nothing to do with going out on telly or not. If she believed the best thing to do was to smack the horse it was her choice. However in anyway she knew that if would rear then she shouldn't have done it. However it did add to the excitment of the tv coverage.

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Do you think it was the best thing to do in that situation?

She said it doesn't like ditches....if you want to ride in a Derby find a bolder horse. Like I say BM was elm in two classes over two days that they broadcast...what was his reaction....?
 
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Maybe if PD had used a carrot stick it would have been ok?!
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I dare not say *whispers* carrot stick...... I'm frightened of the wrath of the articulate ones.
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...you know the ones that write pages and pages with really lovely long words.
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I emailed the BBC about this . to ask if they condoned animal cruelty.The RSPCA should investigate uder the new Animal Welfare Act.
Geoff Bilington won without a whip!

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You can't be serious
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I know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope this is a joke!!!!! if not - it makes me VERY mad!!! people like this need a serious talking to!!!!! argh!
 
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P.s isn't the time to do that sort of thing at home? I'll help the girl dig a ditch....

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Dunno - my horse events happily over ditches, never faulted at one XC, SJs up to 1.10, took him in a 3' derby, he took a dislike to the devil's dyke and had all 3 bits down, and yes, I did smack him before each element, and whilst he did jump it, he did also destroy it all. However, he did not even look at the ditches under the next two fences, and has never had a problem with them XC beyond being a bit looky - what do you do in that situation!? It's not schooling he needs in order to these classes (my horse I mean), it's ringcraft, and how do you get that without entering the comps?
 
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Maybe if PD had used a carrot stick it would have been ok?!
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Hey dont skit, I have actually tried bribing a water phobic horse into water by throwing bread in front of us, and it worked ( the orange greedy moo)!!!!! Now I hope I cant be tried for cruelty to dough based products!
 
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