Phillipa Dobby...(sp?)

the emphasis on the fact that P D's horse doesn't like ditches...

doesn't mean the damn thing shouldnt jump them!!!
 
Well perhaps that would be the best way of looking at it dont you think.
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either that, she could dismount, take a carrot from her jacket pocket, ASK the horse NICELY to walk beside her, lower the bar, ASK nicely again for the horse to walk beside her, then stand, NICELY, whilst she puts bar back up, proceed to second element of jump, repeat, then remount. Apologise to her horse for the trauma that it's been through and carry on her round until the horse has another "mental block" and repeat above, untill horse realises that what she is doing isnt detrimental to it's well-being and things will all come out in the wash...BLESS!!
 
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I also was not aware of that until after the trial. But I agree, lets wish the whole team the best of luck in Auvers.

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Indeed. It is a long while since I have watched the derby and it is clear that there is some serious talent in up and coming riders competing for this country, and may they continue to prove that!
 
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Well perhaps that would be the best way of looking at it dont you think.
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Was that meant in a good way or a bad way? Sorry I am really not with it tonight
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Trust me, I will be very honest, my son takes no prisoners. If a horse deserves a smack it will get one. & probably a damn sight harder than Phil's horse. I am sticking my neck out here but IMO a very quick & sharp reprimand is far better than constant niggling after the event. & did anyone else notice that once Sister Bing had jumped the wall she actually gave it a pat. Unfortunately it started napping again. You just can not do right for doing wrong. Talk about a rock & a hard place.
 
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Trust me, I will be very honest, my son takes no prisoners. If a horse deserves a smack it will get one. & probably a damn sight harder than Phil's horse. I am sticking my neck out here but IMO a very quick & sharp reprimand is far better than constant niggling after the event. & did anyone else notice that once Sister Bing had jumped the wall she actually gave it a pat. Unfortunately it started napping again. You just can not do right for doing wrong. Talk about a rock & a hard place.

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Everyone sees things differently is the problem - what others saw as sawing at the mouth on the way out I (as the rider of a persistent rearer in times gone by) thought was probably her trying to stop a repeat rear by keeping the head down and the quarters less engaged by moving the horse about. Of course I have no idea what was going through her head, just that my interpretation of her actions was probably very different to a lot of people's as I come from a different angle if you see what I mean? The same is true for everyone I guess.
 
as you have said, FRESHMAN..if your son's horse had napped, then he too, would of had a smack,

unless you've either been at that level, or are at that level then keep quiet...

professional riders wouldn't put their livelyhoods at risk for a couple of cracks to a moody mare......

she may be young, but she could well be, along with your son FRESHMAN, the future of GB showjumping...

my slant on this is...if you were a spectator...then you were/are just that, nothing else

ETS."you" meaning collectively of the negatives through this thread.
 
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Trust me, I will be very honest, my son takes no prisoners. If a horse deserves a smack it will get one. & probably a damn sight harder than Phil's horse. I am sticking my neck out here but IMO a very quick & sharp reprimand is far better than constant niggling after the event. & did anyone else notice that once Sister Bing had jumped the wall she actually gave it a pat. Unfortunately it started napping again. You just can not do right for doing wrong. Talk about a rock & a hard place.

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And IMHO, Andy's way is the RIGHT way - I would happily send another horse to him (might even be a better one next time
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I stand by what I said at the beginning of this thread - her horse, her ride, her choice and I am glad it didn't go over with her, but it deffo needed a telling off, shame the timing was slightly off. Lesson learnt and I do hope they bring some gold back for Team GB
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Everyone sees things differently is the problem - what others saw as sawing at the mouth on the way out I (as the rider of a persistent rearer in times gone by) thought was probably her trying to stop a repeat rear by keeping the head down and the quarters less engaged by moving the horse about. Of course I have no idea what was going through her head, just that my interpretation of her actions was probably very different to a lot of people's as I come from a different angle if you see what I mean? The same is true for everyone I guess.

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The way I saw it was she felt utterly humiliated (as we all do, low level upwards) that she didn't get to show what she is capable of doing, in front of a huge audience and probably jumping in the class that was fulfilling her childhood dreams - therefore I saw her as keeping herself busy, head down, sparing her blushes, and keeping the horse working, whilst, possibly, trying not to burst into tears - but I do not know her and that could just be the mother coming out in me LOL!
 
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Everyone sees things differently is the problem - what others saw as sawing at the mouth on the way out I (as the rider of a persistent rearer in times gone by) thought was probably her trying to stop a repeat rear by keeping the head down and the quarters less engaged by moving the horse about. Of course I have no idea what was going through her head, just that my interpretation of her actions was probably very different to a lot of people's as I come from a different angle if you see what I mean? The same is true for everyone I guess.

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The way I saw it was she felt utterly humiliated (as we all do, low level upwards) that she didn't get to show what she is capable of doing, in front of a huge audience and probably jumping in the class that was fulfilling her childhood dreams - therefore I saw her as keeping herself busy, head down, sparing her blushes, and keeping the horse working, whilst, possibly, trying not to burst into tears - but I do not know her and that could just be the mother coming out in me LOL!

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And therein lies my point - maybe we are both right, maybe neither of us are! Perhaps the moral of the story is if you put yourself in the public eye, be prepared to take some flack as you cannot please all of the people all of the time?! (Or is that the moral of posting on HHO...)
 
RHT - We all have a right to express an opinion . I speak as someone who has never ridden at top level & never will ( did get a rosette for a clear round at my local riding school when I was 13 though ( my only one ! )
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RHT - We all have a right to express an opinion . I speak as someone who has never ridden at top level & never will

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Me too.
 
Bloody hell K1963. Thats a lot more recent than me then. You must be a mere whippersnapper. I won my last rosette when Adam was a lad.

On a serious note though, I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion & it is pefectly acceptable to voice it. Whichever side of the fence you sit on. None of us are wrong it is just personal opinion. I am sure we are all agreed that the sport of 'HORSES COMPETING' needs a lift & not a kick in the teeth.
This incident was hardly an AT @ Kentucky situation. & yes that is definately the Mother side of me coming to the fore.
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PS I have still got all my rosettes tucked in a suitcase. I am so sad.
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You left out my one & only rosette !

I've still got it , won in 1976
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Well only the first part applied to me, but then again I haven't got many more rosettes than you. We are both in the same boat thought
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It was meant in a good way as a reply to hardcore. She said maybe if she was faced with being the youngest rider in the Derby maybe she would go ahead.

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Phew, I wasn't sure if it was ment in a bad way or not, since i mentioned she may have entered the horse for a reason of being faced with the youngest rider title.
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LOL I meant you was definately younger than me at least. Isnt it strange though how we all treasure our rosettes from donkeys years ago. They bring back so many happy memories. My first show was in a bonny pony class. The farmer & his wife where I kept my NF pony used to show shires. They plaited its mane like a shire horse with bright orange wool wired in. I thought we was the bees knees & we only came 3rd. I was so damn proud. That was in 1962.
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PS I have still got all my rosettes tucked in a suitcase. I am so sad.
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Mine are in a carrier bag! Even sadder. My kids were going through them the other day. Saying 'aren't they SMALL?'
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I emailed the BBC about this . to ask if they condoned animal cruelty.The RSPCA should investigate uder the new Animal Welfare Act.
Geoff Bilington won without a whip!

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Are you serious?! LMFAO!! Animal cruelty? Could you have ridden that horse and got a better result without a whip when it put in that dirty stop? None of us was the rider so I don't think anyone can come up with comments like that. When you're on national TV doing the Hickstead Derby then you can comment.
 
HI Freshman,

I noticed that as i was sitting in the stands after the wall - the horse is obviously a difficult one, and whilst she is a determined rider and got it over the ditches, she is also rewarding - horse just isnt' the easiest...

Perhaps she'll not mention anything on telly next time - for if she'd kept quiet, I doubt this debate would still be going some 3 days later.

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As you say she was eliminated in the Derby Trial then I think that backs up what I originally said, the horse should not have been in there. As you say its compulsory once you have competed in the Derby Trial had I been PD then I'd have jumped the first fence and retired even if my excuse had been that the mare didn't feel right on the ground.

Freshman - what is the qualification for the Derby?
 
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unless you've either been at that level, or are at that level then keep quiet...
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Thats the biggest load of bull5hit I've ever heard.

Are you going to tell Tracy Robinson not to give advice to our British eventing team because she's never ridden in a pre-n let alone a championships!
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Also I take it by that comment none of us should be condemning Amy Tryons decision to carry on over the last fence and the finish line because 'none of us have ridden at 4*'. What a bizarre take on things.
 
Blimey Freshman you won a rosette before man had walked on the moon
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It is amazing that someone gives a couple of whacks to a horse and it generates over 100 posts yet the actual achievement of the winner who by his own admission is not a natural athlete and pushing for a pension
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winning one of the physically hardest courses in showjumping gets far less
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and with the second place going to someone less than half his age! Strange and slightly sad.

She is a young rider who will learn from the experience and anyone who is comparing her to RW round needs to look back and see what he did when he was younger as he made mistakes, but has matured as he has got more experience like all riders do.
 
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