Please please sign

[Mad Mick]

Can anyone please sign the attached petition. I know a lot of happy hackers are on this forum. Hacking isn’t great where I live. And a popular route which I have used for 20 years has been closed due to the new out of town owners. Their house sits next to an ancient lovely lane. They have put shingle over lane entrance and blocked with gates and locked them. CCTV cameras up. The council are aware but 16 months on .. have done very little. The owner is very aggressive and has even tried to run dog walkers over in her car. The local paper are now involved and are taking photos next week of me on my horse. Thanks guys. https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.change.org/p/people-of-sudbury-save-brook-field-lane?fbclid=IwAR3wUPYii6l7zBMw7zzPATDMLemoRLAQ6PRllObuMolqJ73s30Gn8MUUseo&h=AT3RRHxJZ1xXqc_kY-gukkcrFxgiWr0b_lUB4IElxGgt3REZRKARMEC7sGC_kB8Disz-IPY46tLgis7KazX-ZzqeT9phGBjZi2gAk-_EOUoIsaehYzIBBb9rp5sEuPw&s=1

An application should be made under Section 53 (C) (i) of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 to register the lane on the Counties Definitive Map and Statement

Quote - the discovery by the authority of evidence which (when considered with all other relevant evidence available to them) shows—
that a right of way which is not shown in the map and statement subsists or is reasonably alleged to subsist over land in the area to which the map relates, being a right of way to which this Part applies – end quote.

Gather as may people to avadavat that the lane has for the past 20 years or more been used by the local public without hinder.

Then the Council will have to investigate by law.

Also go to the local records office and check the Inclosure awards as they may show whether it is a public highway.

Check the Ordnance survey maps to see how the lane is recorded on them in particular the 6 inch map around the turn of the century (Late 1800’s)

OK she will object but at least it then will become official and the Council will have by law to concider the aplication.

 

[HashRouge]

The land registry shows her boundary ends outside her front door. So the lane is not hers. At the bottom of the lane which goes on for a long way .. there used to be a house. Which burnt down yonks ago. The lane was missed off the 1970’s register to be a byway. No one knows who the lane belongs to. Council put up yellow notices but Michelle tore them down. Twice. The school used to ran it for cross country in the 1960’s to 1980’s. It’s been used for generations. The council are dragging their heels. The local paper ran an article last week to high light. If you try and climb over the gate she comes out and uses some very colourful language. And will chase you. Sometimes in her car. It’s so awful.

So if I am understanding it correctly, this lady has put a gate across a lane that she doesn't own/ have any right to? I think you are doing the right thing getting the local press involved, but I'd also suggest trying to arrange a mass "walk-in" with as many local people as you can. If she is illegally obstructing the lane, does anyone know if there would be consequences if they used bolt cutters to get the gates open?

You should also try to gather testimony from as many local people as you can, detailing how often and for how long they have used the lane.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Signed, I know of a few similar instances, although at least in most cases (not all) the PROW is at least on land owned by the person who is restricitng access. I hope you get it sorted.

 

[PeterNatt]

The first thing to do is to get all the users of this path to complete an evidence form so that you can apply to the local authority for a Definitive Map Modification order so that it can be placed on the definitive map of your local County Council. The Definative Map is the map that records all Public Righs of Way in your area. If you need any help to create an evidnce form then please contact me at peter.natt@btinternet.com.

 

[dixie]

Signed.
There’s an interesting comment on there by a previous owner of Crab Cottage, saying there’s always been access.

 

[millikins]

I've signed, good luck. Would emergency services support you regarding access? That's a fairly feeble gate, can it just be lifted off its hinges without causing damage?

 

[exracehorse]

So if I am understanding it correctly, this lady has put a gate across a lane that she doesn't own/ have any right to? I think you are doing the right thing getting the local press involved, but I'd also suggest trying to arrange a mass "walk-in" with as many local people as you can. If she is illegally obstructing the lane, does anyone know if there would be consequences if they used bolt cutters to get the gates open?

You should also try to gather testimony from as many local people as you can, detailing how often and for how long they have used the lane.

over a hundred letters/emails were sent to Nadine at the council stating they regularly use the lane. This was last year. X

 

[exracehorse]

Signed.
There’s an interesting comment on there by a previous owner of Crab Cottage, saying there’s always been access.

yes. They used to wave and say hi when I rode by .. they told her when she viewed it was regularly used by the public. Then she put gates up

 

[exracehorse]

I've signed, good luck. Would emergency services support you regarding access? That's a fairly feeble gate, can it just be lifted off its hinges without causing damage?

Yes. It’s a small metal garden gate. And metal driveway type gate next to each other. Doubt emergency services would need to go through as they can access the bottom of the lane that links to a housing estate. Although Billy used to drive it to see his ponies. The owner told Billy it was put up to stop her children but they are teenagers and are in fact using the lane to go up and down on an off road dirt bike!

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

The owner told Billy it was put up to stop her children but they are teenagers and are in fact using the lane to go up and down on an off road dirt bike!

Is it legal for her children to ride an uninsured and untaxed motorbike up and down the laneway? Might be another angle on it but that would depend entirely on what exactly the lane is registered as on the land registry. http://www.environmentlaw.org.uk/rte.asp?id=207

 

[Rumtytum]

Can’t seem to do a link to the website so I’ve screenshot this from the last time Crab Cottage was for sale.
Note under ‘Outside’ it states “A private no through road…”. Perhaps that’s how the owners got the idea they can just block it off?

 

[exracehorse]

Can’t seem to do a link to the website so I’ve screenshot this from the last time Crab Cottage was for sale.
Note under ‘Outside’ it states “A private no through road…”. Perhaps that’s how the owners got the idea they can just block it off?
View attachment 77263

hi. She has admitted on camera that it’s not her lane. Her boundary ends in front of the house. The lane is a good half mile long. And links to the estate at the bottom. It’s a private lane in a way. But not her lane. No one knows who owns it. The council put up notices to establish and she tore them down.

 

[bouncing_ball]

What would happen in the gates were repeatedly removed in the night?

 

[exracehorse]

What would happen in the gates were repeatedly removed in the night?

She has CCTV cameras everywhere

 

[exracehorse]

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http:...TvAlDEDW_56K3uJGgPHh7Cj8D4VUSmvnatWUTHi-M&s=1

 

[exracehorse]

Maps date back to 1840 showing it was a byway. It got missed off the 1970’s register.

 

[exracehorse]

An old ramblers map show it as a route.

 

[Nicnac]

Signed but definitely contact BHS Access Officer. If you are a member they will help you with legal costs.

 

[bouncing_ball]

She has CCTV cameras everywhere

Do they work in the dark? Need infrared or night cameras I think. I’d imagine with right tools and heads covered could remove gates pretty quickly?

I’m not even sure if removing gates blocking an established right of way would be illegal?

 

[Odyssey]

Signed. That's so wrong, what a nasty, selfish woman. I hope the campaign is successful.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Can anyone please sign the attached petition. I know a lot of happy hackers are on this forum. Hacking isn’t great where I live. And a popular route which I have used for 20 years has been closed due to the new out of town owners. Their house sits next to an ancient lovely lane. They have put shingle over lane entrance and blocked with gates and locked them. CCTV cameras up. The council are aware but 16 months on .. have done very little. The owner is very aggressive and has even tried to run dog walkers over in her car. The local paper are now involved and are taking photos next week of me on my horse. Thanks guys. https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.change.org/p/people-of-sudbury-save-brook-field-lane?fbclid=IwAR3wUPYii6l7zBMw7zzPATDMLemoRLAQ6PRllObuMolqJ73s30Gn8MUUseo&h=AT3RRHxJZ1xXqc_kY-gukkcrFxgiWr0b_lUB4IElxGgt3REZRKARMEC7sGC_kB8Disz-IPY46tLgis7KazX-ZzqeT9phGBjZi2gAk-_EOUoIsaehYzIBBb9rp5sEuPw&s=1

signed - too many bridle paths are disappearing

 

[Rumtytum]

hi. She has admitted on camera that it’s not her lane. Her boundary ends in front of the house. The lane is a good half mile long. And links to the estate at the bottom. It’s a private lane in a way. But not her lane. No one knows who owns it. The council put up notices to establish and she tore them down. View attachment 77268View attachment 77269

I should have added I am totally on your and everyone else’s side. The woman is a nasty piece of work.

 

[splashgirl45]

i signed but it said it would send me an e mail to confirm, i didnt get one, did everyone else? if you did i will try again

 

[AmyMay]

The first thing to do is to get all the users of this path to complete an evidence form so that you can apply to the local authority for a Definitive Map Modification order so that it can be placed on the definitive map of your local County Council. The Definative Map is the map that records all Public Righs of Way in your area. If you need any help to create an evidnce form then please contact me at peter.natt@btinternet.com.

Great advice and offer of help.

 

[misst]

Signed. As someone else said too many rights of way are disappearing. Also I just cannot abide people who think it is ok to show aggression like that.

 

[exracehorse]

Do they work in the dark? Need infrared or night cameras I think. I’d imagine with right tools and heads covered could remove gates pretty quickly?

I’m not even sure if removing gates blocking an established right of way would be illegal?

. Do you fancy giving it a go ? ?

 

[exracehorse]

i signed but it said it would send me an e mail to confirm, i didnt get one, did everyone else? if you did i will try again

check you’ve put right email address in. I had that problem. Yes .. you should get an email x

 

[exracehorse]

The first thing to do is to get all the users of this path to complete an evidence form so that you can apply to the local authority for a Definitive Map Modification order so that it can be placed on the definitive map of your local County Council. The Definative Map is the map that records all Public Righs of Way in your area. If you need any help to create an evidnce form then please contact me at peter.natt@btinternet.com.

Hi. Yes we had over a hundred from local folk. They all were submitted to Nadine. And a Definitive Map requested. As we have proof it’s been used for generations.

 

[bouncing_ball]

. Do you fancy giving it a go ? ?

I think you need a couple of local lads with metal cutting tools.

 

[splashgirl45]

check you’ve put right email address in. I had that problem. Yes .. you should get an email x

well i have tried again and after i have filled in the next few pages it takes me to a section saying there are no updates....i havent had an e mail and i cant see why my e mail address is right i have signed lots of petitions and got the e mails so im stumped..