AShetlandBitMeOnce
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If you have to register your details with a centralised body to own the dog as I said in my post, then you could easily just charge dog owners for the services. £x per dog per month?
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If you have to register your details with a centralised body to own the dog as I said in my post, then you could easily just charge dog owners for the services. £x per dog per month?
skinnydipper
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It is not reasonable to expect someone who doesn't have a dog to finance someone else's pet.
Yes, everyone should feel safe from dogs but that is the dog owner's responsibility.
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Clodagh
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A slightly silly and provocative question to ask on this forum?
CorvusCorax
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Is it? I just don't understand why people demand something be done, other people put forward suggestions, submit that it is working (better, not perfectly) in other countries (a cursory Google can find examples of people being fined and even jailed for not paying their licence) and then it's just more NOPE.
If banning breeds worked, then none of this would be happening.
Clodagh
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I think people have come up with many positive suggestions. None of which the powers that be will take heed of, but there is a will in people to try to improve the situation.
CorvusCorax
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Are all dog owners and breeders on board with the suggestions? Even if tightened measures may make things slightly difficult for them too, but for the greater good of all dogs and owners and the public?
Because that's always been a problem, I find that people think the ideas are great, until it might apply to them.
Because that's always been a problem, I find that people think the ideas are great, until it might apply to them.
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Personally no, I would do it/pay. I don't like that people think they should have any right to just go out and buy a living creature on a whim and never have.
Clodagh
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Well I can’t speak for the masses but most people on AAD are presumably responsible and are suggesting licensing and controls so I’m not sure many would be opposed to having to pay a fee or demonstrate some knowledge.
Moobli
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I would agree to a dog tax, run much the same way as car tax. You need a licence to own any dog and tax on a sliding scale to reflect the size/breed. It would need to be policed similarly to car tax too, with a centralised database so any dog warden (or whoever was employed to check) could easily access all the required information. Big penalities for those who aren't licenced and/or didn't have tax.
Smitty
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Along with a sample of its DNA and a requirement for PL insurance.
The Fuzzy Furry
Getting old disgracefully
Agreed.
Same as with equines without microchips and no passports, mandatory but very very rarely enforced.
Going further, it's very rare to read of anyone being caught using mobile whilst driving, just as rare as a standard police patrol...... no funding to enable either issue to be rectified.
CorvusCorax
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It's very rare to read because there aren't enough journalists in the world to sit in every county court every day of the week covering licencing sittings or listing every single minor motoring offence/fine, two lines doesn't do much to fill a paper and there's little public interest unless the crime or the fine is stupendous.
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
This guy has been jailed.
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dog-killed-baby-dad-jailed-26605677
Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dog-killed-baby-dad-jailed-26605677
bonny
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Wasn’t really an accident though
Nasicus
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YES! I'm forever being introduced to 'staffies' that look like they could bench press 100lbs nowadays.
SilverLinings
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I read an article a few years ago (just pre-pandemic) in which a MET policeman was interviewed about dangerous dogs and the increase in attacks. He said that young men were increasingly owning them as a weapon, as a police officer could stop and search someone they suspect is carrying a knife, and if they are found to have a knife they'd be in big trouble, but walking around with scary dog wasn't a reason to be stopped (and apparently actually deterred some police from approaching), despite it potentially being as - or more - dangerous.
If all dogs were licensed then maybe certain breeds could be made a legitimate reason for police to stop the owner (IF they suspected the dog may be being trained or used as a 'weapon'), and if the owner then couldn't then produce evidence of a licence/chip/insurance/etc then the owner could be fined/prosecuted/dog removed even if it wasn't deemed to be dangerous. This could help reduce the risk of certain types of people just ignoring the requirement for a chip/licence/etc.
If all dogs were licensed then maybe certain breeds could be made a legitimate reason for police to stop the owner (IF they suspected the dog may be being trained or used as a 'weapon'), and if the owner then couldn't then produce evidence of a licence/chip/insurance/etc then the owner could be fined/prosecuted/dog removed even if it wasn't deemed to be dangerous. This could help reduce the risk of certain types of people just ignoring the requirement for a chip/licence/etc.
Spotherisk
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happened to me with Rew, vets grudgingly accepted my honest explanation that he was bred by family.
IrishMilo
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It's sad. Staffies should be small, chunky but not bulky and well proportioned. Now all you have are either blues who look like they've been supersized or very leggy types.
The quality in the UK has been going down hill for years - the selection in France and Sweden is much, much better.
For what it's worth, I love them - they're my breed, but they can be shitbags. I've never had one that wasn't fantastic with children and people though. To be honest, that's why they're so popular.
skinnydipper
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At the risk of being accused of "victim blaming", attention needs to focus more on the owners and the home environment in which the dog is living.
skinnydipper
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Clodagh
Well-Known Member
Good news. All parents in this situation ( when the attack is in their home) should be charged with man slaughter.
Clodagh
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But that isn’t solving the problem. I agree it’s not the vets job to police it.
Clodagh
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That’s right, but sadly we enable unsuitable living conditions.
AShetlandBitMeOnce
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MurphysMinder
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I would fully support licensing, but honestly don't think it would work without the means to strictly enforce it , and that is unlikely to happen. Back in the day when we had dog licences it was the responsible owners who had them and the mutts who wandered the streets who were generally unlicensed. Having said that these latch key dogs always seemed to be very good natured, there may have been children killed but it didn't make the news as far as I am aware. Similarly with the current breeders license, responsible breeders are being made to jump through hoops, and in some cases give up, because of the license whereas the byb just churn out pups without a care. Latest gem apparently from a licensing authority is telling breeders they must rehome their old, retired dogs if they want to keep a puppy or buy a younger dog. This is all down to the supposed space allowed per dog.
GSD Woman
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I haven't made it through the entire thread but I have to throw out something about using a vet tech for something this serious. Many vet techs couldn't find their rear holes with both hands as far as knowing about dogs and dog behavior. The lack of actual hands on dog training and behavior from vet techs is quit scarey.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
I really don't understand why the mother wasn't charged, as she apparently was the one who left the baby and the dog alone together in the room, while the father was outside in the garden. The father certainly doesn't sound like the type of owner one would hope for, for any dog, or the type of father one would hope for, for any child but the mother also sounds irresponsible.
skinnydipper
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with a dog who had previously bitten one of her other children.
Meowy Catkin
Meow!
I've not seen it stated where the dog was when the Mother left the room. Maybe it was in the garden which would certainly fit better with the Mother not being charged?
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
The report linked to above said that mother went to the toilet leaving the dog and baby together while father was outside in the garden.