Price of part loans

When I had a sharer she paid for the shoes, and rode on her days off (we were on opposite shifts so never had the same day off). She was a friend though, and totally no hassle.

As it was shoes she paid for then you could translate this into modern day costs.

The horse was on full livery, so no chores other than tidying up the stable and prepping for riding etc.
 
merlo89 said:
Personally, £20 a week for 3 days, half of the cost of shoes and doing the yard duties if owner can't make it even if it wasn't my set day.
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Why not put an advert out offering that then? There's sure to be some people out there who aren't skint themselves, Ester says she's had no trouble finding the type of share circumstances she wants. It's interesting you think people have been rude and presumptious. I actually think you posting wanting a share for peanuts was rude and presumptious.
 
Depending on how frequency of shoeing and cost of farrier that would work out about £25-30 a week.

If you are struggling to find a share in your price range why not put up your own advert, if you are very competent then you might get someone willing to take you on for less than they are advertising for.

merlo89 said:
Personally, £20 a week for 3 days, half of the cost of shoes and doing the yard duties if owner can't make it even if it wasn't my set day.
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Sugar_and_Spice said:
Why not put an advert out offering that then? There's sure to be some people out there who aren't skint themselves, Ester says she's had no trouble finding the type of share circumstances she wants. It's interesting you think people have been rude and presumptious. I actually think you posting wanting a share for peanuts was rude and presumptious.
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Most people have suggested that I do not know anything about the costs of horses. Even the experienced, owned horses all there life have suggested it is rather a lot!
 
merlo89 said:
Personally, £20 a week for 3 days, half of the cost of shoes and doing the yard duties if owner can't make it even if it wasn't my set day.
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I'd take your hand off for that, I want someone to ride my boy and initially planned not to ask for any contribution but was told by almost everyone I spoke to about it said it was better to ask for a minimum of £10 per day plus chores as any ride on a RS horse would be at least £25.
 
I think a lot depends on the horse. I shared one for 3 years when my job didn't allow me to commit to one of my own. He was a ridiculously hot warmblood with what could have been dangerous habits in the wrong hands. The owner was desperate because he was vile without work, so that was free.

A friend of mine happily pays £30 a week towards a bombproof, lovely hacking horse who she can take out pretty much any time she wants. It costs her £40 for just one hour at the local riding school.
 
People who charge tend to charge about a tenner a day. That doesn't come close to covering the daily costs of keeping a horse, even on DIY. Assume DIY livery at £30per week, bedding at £10, feed at £10, forage at £15, shoeing at £10, insurance at £10, a portion of the regular costs of teeth, vaccinations, saddler, physio, worming - you're already at over a hundred pounds a week on average, even without tack and equipment,replacement rugs when they get trashed, consumables like fly spray and mud fever cream - people who talk about the cost of livery as though it somehow equates to the cost of keeping a horse are deluded. Very few people actually add up the real costs.

OP, expect to pay a tenner a day for a decent share - unless you're good enough to be able to improve someone's horse for them, in which case it might well be free but there's an even chance the horse will be young / green / have issues.
 
Theocat said:
people who talk about the cost of livery as though it somehow equates to the cost of keeping a horse are deluded. Very few people actually add up the real costs. QUOTE]

I understand that livery is probably about 5% of the costs, however for the price I would be paying to loan, I could rent a stable and field on a yard with an arena and have bedding and hay for free.
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Well, firstly I'd be staggered if you can find a yard that does acceptable turnout AND a stable AND hay AND bedding for forty pounds a week - but that's not the point; the point is that even if you could, it still wouldn't be the total cost you'd be paying out each week, so why would you use that to compare to the price of the part loan?
 
ester said:
I fully understand costs :p
I still struggle to get my head round paying to help someone out to ride their horse for them and do their stable chores ;) so they don't have to. I never charged my sharer as she was helping me out too. I have never paid to ride perfectly nice horses for the many years I didn't have my own, and when I did when I was only seeing him weekends and I am a much better rider than I was then.
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this is exactly what i think.... i used to help people by exercising their horses and doing the chores and was offered money for doing so...i felt my reward was riding so was happy not to be paid..this was about 40 years ago and now everyone is looking for cash as they cant afford to keep a horse on their own...if someone rode my horse and did the chores i would just be happy for a day off!!!!!!
 
merlo89 said:
Personally, £20 a week for 3 days, half of the cost of shoes and doing the yard duties if owner can't make it even if it wasn't my set day.
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Half shoes is about ten pounds a week ... Totalling thirty pounds, or ten pounds a day.

So the shares you're looking at are charging what you're willing to pay; problem solved!

Edit - bad maths; it works out at £25 a week. Still only a difference of a fiver a week!
 
I've always worked on the basis of about £10 per day - more for a really nice horse on a very smart yard with no chores, a bit less if chores were needed.

However it's been a while since I've had a sharer and even longer since I shared and trawling through preloved and facebook last night looking for something else; there are a significant numbers of ads asking £17.50 or £20 per day.
 
I'm in North Yorkshire, and most people have said I'm basically being cheap (not offended), however the locations state most are down south, which is significantly more expensive then up north!
 
What cracks me up is that the same people who were telling me a few days ago that I need to pay someone to ride my horse, or offer a share for free, are now saying that £30 to £40 a week is a perfectly reasonable contribution. I am asking around half of that and it's negotiable for the right person.

Anyway, back to the point, About 15 years ago I was paying £60 a month for 3 days on a happy hacker who was limited by arthritis and COPD, and that was on the cheap side compared to what some people were charging.

I'm motivated more by time than money to have a sharer. It does help me out and give me a day off and I'd have to pay for my horse regardless On the other hand most sharers want a weekend day so I have to give up riding, and I also have to fit around them to a certain extent as well as paying all the bills, so why shouldn't I ask for a contribution?

As others have said, I'm not looking for someone to improve my horse. I just want someone who can't have their own for whatever reason and would like to exercise and care for mine competently a couple of days a week instead and give me a small contribution towards costs.
 
JulesRules said:
What cracks me up is that the same people who were telling me a few days ago that I need to pay someone to ride my horse, or offer a share for free, are now saying that £30 to £40 a week is a perfectly reasonable contribution. I am asking around half of that and it's negotiable for the right person.

Anyway, back to the point, About 15 years ago I was paying £60 a month for 3 days on a happy hacker who was limited by arthritis and COPD, and that was on the cheap side compared to what some people were charging.

I'm motivated more by time than money to have a sharer. It does help me out and give me a day off and I'd have to pay for my horse regardless On the other hand most sharers want a weekend day so I have to give up riding, and I also have to fit around them to a certain extent as well as paying all the bills, so why shouldn't I ask for a contribution?

As others have said, I'm not looking for someone to improve my horse. I just want someone who can't have their own for whatever reason and would like to exercise and care for mine competently a couple of days a week instead and give me a small contribution towards costs.
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Strange how this forum works ...

I have all the time in the world to give, mornings evenings, just not weekends!

I just do not understand how some people would expect me to pay £40+ to ride and do the stable duties (Muck out, haynets and feeds), when actually that's what you pay people to do!
 
Just to think I've been after someone to part loan for ages for free! Let alone asking them to pay anything, and still, nothing... Horse in question is fantastic just no one seems to be interested.
 
If you have plenty of time and experience maybe worth getting a part time job at a yard and then you would be paid to do the chores and may get a rides for free or paid as well if liveries need some help with exercising.


merlo89 said:
Strange how this forum works ...

I have all the time in the world to give, mornings evenings, just not weekends!

I just do not understand how some people would expect me to pay £40+ to ride and do the stable duties (Muck out, haynets and feeds), when actually that's what you pay people to do!
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merlo89 said:
Strange how this forum works ...

I have all the time in the world to give, mornings evenings, just not weekends!

I just do not understand how some people would expect me to pay £40+ to ride and do the stable duties (Muck out, haynets and feeds), when actually that's what you pay people to do!
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... but also strange that you do not appreciate that we all pay for the pleasure of doing our own horses too, and yes for the vast majority of us the pleasure is also in the stable duties which leads to yard time chatting with our friends and time grooming our horses which is a way of life, not just the riding as we have a real bond with our horses.
Many of us do not need to pay somebody else to do the stable work as we're happy to do it ourselves.

I personally choose to have one of mine on DIY , I can afford part or full livery but I don't want it because I want the relationship. I've had part & full in the past but the bond with the horse is simply not the same. Even with my one that is on full grass livery, our relationship has changed.

There are no "chores" in my eyes, these are all privileges that I'm paying for and if I did share then I'd expect somebody else to see these as privileges to and do the same, and indeed they have done when I've had sharers in the past.

Others may well see it a different way which is absolutely fine, there is no right or wrong answer but if your asking why so many people are asking £30-40 a week for a share what I've explained is potentially why!
 
"On another thread with someone struggling to find a sharer most of the posts were saying she should be expecting to pay for someone to do the exercise required so it does seem to vary very much on how the post is phrased/where it is coming from."

That would be me then. I have since employed a professional to hack out. Horse has been perfect albeit a few spooks. The bonus for me is that I can deal with the youngster knowing i don't have to worry about a novice on big horse. The professional loves the fact they are riding a nice horse for a change. :)
 
Shooting Star said:
... but also strange that you do not appreciate that we all pay for the pleasure of doing our own horses too, and yes for the vast majority of us the pleasure is also in the stable duties which leads to yard time chatting with our friends and time grooming our horses which is a way of life, not just the riding as we have a real bond with our horses.
Many of us do not need to pay somebody else to do the stable work as we're happy to do it ourselves.

I personally choose to have one of mine on DIY , I can afford part or full livery but I don't want it because I want the relationship. I've had part & full in the past but the bond with the horse is simply not the same. Even with my one that is on full grass livery, our relationship has changed.

There are no "chores" in my eyes, these are all privileges that I'm paying for and if I did share then I'd expect somebody else to see these as privileges to and do the same, and indeed they have done when I've had sharers in the past.

Others may well see it a different way which is absolutely fine, there is no right or wrong answer but if your asking why so many people are asking £30-40 a week for a share what I've explained is potentially why!
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All I said was that it was strange the difference in responses.

I do not expect someone to give me their horse if they are perfectly happy with their time spent and bond, most of the horses for part loan in my area, either lack time and wanted someone to give the horse love ( that part loan was free), or there horses are too difficult for them so have bought another and wanted someone to correct its ways ( again, was free) So I do not understand why people want so much money and yard duties doing when actually most who part loan struggle time wise or money wise, and it confuses me when they ask for both!
 
JulesRules said:
What cracks me up is that the same people who were telling me a few days ago that I need to pay someone to ride my horse, or offer a share for free, are now saying that £30 to £40 a week is a perfectly reasonable contribution. I am asking around half of that and it's negotiable for the right person.

Anyway, back to the point, About 15 years ago I was paying £60 a month for 3 days on a happy hacker who was limited by arthritis and COPD, and that was on the cheap side compared to what some people were charging.

I'm motivated more by time than money to have a sharer. It does help me out and give me a day off and I'd have to pay for my horse regardless On the other hand most sharers want a weekend day so I have to give up riding, and I also have to fit around them to a certain extent as well as paying all the bills, so why shouldn't I ask for a contribution?

As others have said, I'm not looking for someone to improve my horse. I just want someone who can't have their own for whatever reason and would like to exercise and care for mine competently a couple of days a week instead and give me a small contribution towards costs.
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I wasn't even asking for a contribution and was told the same.
 
JulesRules said:
What cracks me up is that the same people who were telling me a few days ago that I need to pay someone to ride my horse, or offer a share for free, are now saying that £30 to £40 a week is a perfectly reasonable contribution. I am asking around half of that and it's negotiable for the right person.

Anyway, back to the point, About 15 years ago I was paying £60 a month for 3 days on a happy hacker who was limited by arthritis and COPD, and that was on the cheap side compared to what some people were charging.

I'm motivated more by time than money to have a sharer. It does help me out and give me a day off and I'd have to pay for my horse regardless On the other hand most sharers want a weekend day so I have to give up riding, and I also have to fit around them to a certain extent as well as paying all the bills, so why shouldn't I ask for a contribution?

As others have said, I'm not looking for someone to improve my horse. I just want someone who can't have their own for whatever reason and would like to exercise and care for mine competently a couple of days a week instead and give me a small contribution towards costs.
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I wasn't even asking for a contribution and was told the same.
 
As explained perfectly by shooting star we all pay for horse ownership and still have to do the chores.

The clue is in the name really - a share or part loan.

If you "share" a horse, for me that includes sharing the good parts (the bonding and the riding) as well as the less good parts (poo picking! )

A part loan (which to me is pretty much the same as a share) is similar to a full loan but only a few days a week. If you had a full loan you would have to pay all the costs and do all the jobs. Why would a part loan be any different?
 
You say all examples are down south? Here's mine from about three years ago, before we bought the ponies. I'm in Durham:

Nice anglo-arab, evented at weekends with his 16 year old owner, who was going into A-levels so wanted a sharer to help keep him fit. Horse was as good as gold, and a bit of a school master. I took him for 3 days a week on DIY, so did stable duties on my days and paid for half his shoes too. 25 pounds a week, plus shoe money. So roughly 30 pounds a week.

So no, with the right horse the prices you are seeing are about normal for a decent horse. Assuming they are decent horses! We do get the 'loan' adds to back people's horses around here. Or even worse 'bring them on' when they are 2.
 
Theocat said:
Well, firstly I'd be staggered if you can find a yard that does acceptable turnout AND a stable AND hay AND bedding for forty pounds a week
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Prepare to be staggered then as it does exist. I'm in an expensive ish part of the country. Lovely Cotswold stone yard, huge fully rubber matted stables, auto drinkers, bedding and ad lib Forage, full turn out in a small herd with excellent grazing on rotated fields that are managed properly with sheep and cattle grazed after us so no poo picking.
 
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