Rearing horse

Dwyran_gold said:
You can also get antirearing bits, there’s a lot of designs I’m not sure how they work. Oakridge have a few new designs that are apparently effective without been harsh https://oakridgeequestrian.co.nz/wtp-bits/benefits-wtp/
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never heard of an “anti rearing bit” other than a chifney for leading and I’m not even keen on them.
Seems like a sticking plaster for a deeper seated issue; much like not being able to stop strong horse, so stick in a stronger bit.
Think this rearing and napping needs riding forward not stopped in the gob, these quick fixes are tempting for inexperienced rider/owners :/
 
mini barnes said:
never heard of an “anti rearing bit” other than a chifney for leading and I’m not even keen on them.
Seems like a sticking plaster for a deeper seated issue; much like not being able to stop strong horse, so stick in a stronger bit.
Think this rearing and napping needs riding forward not stopped in the gob, these quick fixes are tempting for inexperienced rider/owners :/
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yeah tbf I don’t think that links the right one but it’s the same bit, I just came across it while I was looking for training but for my youngster.
it’s meant to help with loads of problems and make the airways clearer. It’s a new design apparently. X
 
Wishfilly said:
I think it's this one that might be intended to be an "anti-rearing bit" https://www.oldmillsaddlery.com/en/WTP-Bits-WTP-Ring-Bit-Extended-Plate/m-48886.aspx It looks a lot like a bit with a chifney attached and it's not something I'd want to ride in.

I don't think any type of bit is likely to solve this issue.
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that’s the one I saw! Lol I had to click on it to see what it was all about because it looks like a tongue ?
although the link I posted is the same anti rear but without the ring x
 
Dwyran_gold said:
that’s the one I saw! Lol I had to click on it to see what it was all about because it looks like a tongue ?
although the link I posted is the same anti rear but without the ring x
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I know the one you linked says it is supposed to be an "anti rear" bit, but I can't see how that bit is supposed to specifically prevent rearing except for through avoiding pinching or rubbing the roof of the mouth- which I don't think is a common cause of rearing anyway. I can see how the bit you linked might possibly be useful for some horses, but I don't think it's a solution to rearing in general.

To be fair, I haven't seen the bits before, but after a quick bit of googling, I can't see how they intend to prevent rearing/head-shaking etc except for not causing pain in the mouth (which is no bad thing). I'd like to see an article which fully explains how they are supposed to stop rearing- which a quick google didn't leave me to.

I think it's possible they might be helpful in some situations, but I very much don't think they would be a cure all, and I probably wouldn't advise someone to use one without at least discussing it with an instructor/professional first.

I think the ones with the chifney style ring underneath would be more likely to stop rearing BUT would be very harsh and potentially dangerous if used in the wrong hands- so it's not something I'd recommend to anyone.

This is obviously just my opinion based on an initial look at the bits, though, and I'd be interested to hear more if anyone knows more about them.
 
Wishfilly said:
I think it's this one that might be intended to be an "anti-rearing bit" https://www.oldmillsaddlery.com/en/WTP-Bits-WTP-Ring-Bit-Extended-Plate/m-48886.aspx It looks a lot like a bit with a chifney attached and it's not something I'd want to ride in.

I don't think any type of bit is likely to solve this issue.
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That bit is a serious looking bit of kit, I’d also be sceptical of something that made all of those bold claims.

STOPS x, y AND z (yes, stops!) - translates to... “something you need if you are sh*tting your knicks at this horse you can’t cope with.”
This advert reads like barry Scott aka mr Cillit bang is shouting it.
 
Wishfilly said:
I know the one you linked says it is supposed to be an "anti rear" bit, but I can't see how that bit is supposed to specifically prevent rearing except for through avoiding pinching or rubbing the roof of the mouth- which I don't think is a common cause of rearing anyway. I can see how the bit you linked might possibly be useful for some horses, but I don't think it's a solution to rearing in general.

To be fair, I haven't seen the bits before, but after a quick bit of googling, I can't see how they intend to prevent rearing/head-shaking etc except for not causing pain in the mouth (which is no bad thing). I'd like to see an article which fully explains how they are supposed to stop rearing- which a quick google didn't leave me to.

I think it's possible they might be helpful in some situations, but I very much don't think they would be a cure all, and I probably wouldn't advise someone to use one without at least discussing it with an instructor/professional first.

I think the ones with the chifney style ring underneath would be more likely to stop rearing BUT would be very harsh and potentially dangerous if used in the wrong hands- so it's not something I'd recommend to anyone.

This is obviously just my opinion based on an initial look at the bits, though, and I'd be interested to hear more if anyone knows more about them.
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yeah I’d never seen them before, when I first came across them they were been trialed and were offering them for free for 30 days or something like that for feedback etc. I’m not a bit expert so I don’t know how they work but for what they claim it does is pretty good if it does do those things x
 
mini barnes said:
That bit is a serious looking bit of kit, I’d also be sceptical of something that made all of those bold claims.

STOPS x, y AND z (yes, stops!) - translates to... “something you need if you are sh*tting your knicks at this horse you can’t cope with.”
This advert reads like barry Scott aka mr Cillit bang is shouting it.
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The most generous reading I can give it is that the bit can stop some pain/breathing issues for horses with an unusually shaped palette- and therefore may stop associated issues such as head-shaking and rearing in those very narrow circumstances, but the claims in general are very bold, and probably very overstated.

Dwyran_gold said:
yeah I’d never seen them before, when I first came across them they were been trialed and were offering them for free for 30 days or something like that for feedback etc. I’m not a bit expert so I don’t know how they work but for what they claim it does is pretty good if it does do those things x
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See above. I do think the ones without the chifney style ring might stop pain in some circumstances which would help some horses.

But I can't work out how they are meant to help horses with e.g. back related pain that causes them to rear or that rear due to a behavioural issue. The claims seem very bold, and I don't really buy them. Lots of gadgets claim to solve all sorts of problems, but in reality only help with that problem in very limited circumstances.
 
Wishfilly said:
The most generous reading I can give it is that the bit can stop some pain/breathing issues for horses with an unusually shaped palette- and therefore may stop associated issues such as head-shaking and rearing in those very narrow circumstances, but the claims in general are very bold, and probably very overstated.
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I do agree -
One was just getting ones wind up! ?
 
Wishfilly said:
The most generous reading I can give it is that the bit can stop some pain/breathing issues for horses with an unusually shaped palette- and therefore may stop associated issues such as head-shaking and rearing in those very narrow circumstances, but the claims in general are very bold, and probably very overstated.



See above. I do think the ones without the chifney style ring might stop pain in some circumstances which would help some horses.

But I can't work out how they are meant to help horses with e.g. back related pain that causes them to rear or that rear due to a behavioural issue. The claims seem very bold, and I don't really buy them. Lots of gadgets claim to solve all sorts of problems, but in reality only help with that problem in very limited circumstances.
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absolutely but if the horse has had every avenue thoroughly examined medical wise then there no harm in trying... better a bit that might make a difference than PTS xxx
 
Dwyran_gold said:
absolutely but if the horse has had every avenue thoroughly examined medical wise then there no harm in trying... better a bit that might make a difference than PTS xxx
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if it had got to the stage where medical was ruled out, then where a pro can’t cope or PTS; Unfortunately I’m not sure a bit could magically fix it. I will happily 100% be corrected however!
 
Rearing is the ultimate "I won't go forward"; first there is napping, then running backwards, then rearing. Trying to address this with a bit is working on the wrong end. The bit shown is a fancy version of a racing spoon bit, which works to keep the tongue and soft palate in the correct place, combined with a ring, which does the same thing - both specialist racing bits. I can't see that having the slightest effect on a horse that wants to go up.
 
Cortez said:
Rearing is the ultimate "I won't go forward"; first there is napping, then running backwards, then rearing. Trying to address this with a bit is working on the wrong end. The bit shown is a fancy version of a racing spoon bit, which works to keep the tongue and soft palate in the correct place, combined with a ring, which does the same thing - both specialist racing bits. I can't see that having the slightest effect on a horse that wants to go up.
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cortez - articulating my thoughts concisely ?? Couldn’t quite fluff it out myself.
 
oldmill do a lot of kit specific to racing/trotting horses. I highly doubt they would ever recommend this to a novice etc. I just felt the need to say that incase anyone thought badly of the saddlery.
 
OP, if that is you on the fb post - you can’t make her take the pony back. Good on you for asking, but they said no, and with private sellers they only have to describe the horse honestly, which as you say they have done. Best thing now is the sell the horse on - or pay a professional to ride her. If she was better in her old home she may just need a bit of settling in time with a confident, calm pro. At the very least it will make her easier to sell on.
 
twiggy2 said:
I love that both the bits claim to be 'the only bit in the world to stop displacement of the soft palate'!
There are an awful lot of claims in those write ups.
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twiggy2 said:
I love that both the bits claim to be 'the only bit in the world to stop displacement of the soft palate'!
There are an awful lot of claims in those write ups.
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doesn’t it just! I love how it doesn’t say ‘help prevent’ just says ‘stops’ like it some kind of miracle cure for everything lol x
 
I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting, probably more of the bunny hops at a gate there was also a video of but this rear in particular was concerning and OP I really don't want you to get hurt by continuing.
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ester said:
I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting, probably more of the bunny hops at a gate there was also a video of but this rear in particular was concerning and OP I really don't want you to get hurt by continuing.
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I didn’t see that one. OP, if you are still there, please, please do not continue with this Horse.
 
ester said:
I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting, probably more of the bunny hops at a gate there was also a video of but this rear in particular was concerning and OP I really don't want you to get hurt by continuing.
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That's not good that horse looks really unstable and she's out with another horse too so its not napping because its hacking alone. She needs to stop riding the horse before she gets hurt. I wouldn't get on it.
 
If that's the pony in the photo, I feel really sorry for the OP. But the seller is absolutely not in the wrong. It was fully disclosed. The buyer was immensely silly to purchase this horse with a known dangerous vice. But I can't help but feel sorry for anyone with a horse that rears like that and I absolutely wouldn't let anyone on that horse. Full vet investigation before starting slowly with a pro.
Did the OP get the horse vetted? Nightmare scenario to be in, but again the seller is not at fault and should not be expected to take this horse back.
 
Dwyran_gold said:
absolutely but if the horse has had every avenue thoroughly examined medical wise then there no harm in trying... better a bit that might make a difference than PTS xxx
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I can sort of see where you're coming from here- but I just don't think it's likely to be true. If there's something causing discomfort in the horse's mouth, then medical examinations will pick this up, or if OP is using a bit that's likely to be uncomfortable for her horse, then I think a pro would pick this up very quickly. In my opinion, that bit could only possibly stop rearing due to a discomfort issue in the mouth- it's not going to have any effect on a horse that's going up for behavioural or other pain related reasons.

Having seen the picture Esther has shared, the rears really look quite dangerous, so I would argue there is harm in continuing to persevere- imagine if the rider and horse went over onto the cars behind them.

I am not saying PTS has to be the outcome- but if it is behavioural, then I don't believe gadgets are going to be the solution, and continuing to ride the horse is putting the horse, rider and other people in danger.
 
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Freck.19 said:
Thanks for your sarcastic, unhelpful comment. It doesn’t bother me that much that it made me not buy her, as I think I can work through it. I’d just appreciate some helpful answers/ tips or people with experience dealing with this.
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Thing is, its a bit terrifying you bought a horse knowing its issues and you dont have any experience of it or have any plan as to how to deal with it... Id never buy a horse with a particular issue that I didnt firmly believe I could sort without having to ask for advice straight away. To be fair, Id never buy a horse who reared or napped anyway, Ive had one who did this (not disclosed prior to buying and I dont return horses, I try to work it out) - bloody hard issues to fix! And the fact that the horse has only done the rearing/messing about once so far and you've already lost your confidence isnt a great start. If I were you, I think the only option is to hack out with someone else (the horse I had who reared and napped ONLY did it when hacking alone, never any other time so it could sort it) OR get someone else to ride it for a while but honestly by 14, it'll be a really hard habit to crack and even then I bet the horse will try it on nown and again so if you're not on top of it all the time you'll just end up going downhill again. When does the horse do this, is it ONLY on hacks? If so, Id honestly just consider not hacking. I pretty much gave up hacking one of mine on this basis - it wasnt fun and if a horse isnt really trustworthy on the road then its bloody dangerous to others as well, I just schooled instead and never took the horse out hacking. Problem solved in one way! Unless of course, you bought the horse solely TO hack...

Totally out of interest, why did you buy the horse OP? At £2,500 its not even cheap considering... you could have got something more sensible for that price? I honesntly just dont get why people buy horses like this when there's so many lovely horses out there without these issues.

On reading the facebook thing - it says clearly on the advert NEEDS COMPANY TO HACK so why oh why oh why would you take the horse on its first hack (or ANY hack) on your own?? But then again, that video screenshot shows the horse rearing in company too. That looks utterly terrifying with all those cars around if Im honest.
 
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Wishfilly said:
I can sort of see where you're coming from here- but I just don't think it's likely to be true. If there's something causing discomfort in the horse's mouth, then medical examinations will pick this up, or if OP is using a bit that's likely to be uncomfortable for her horse, then I think a pro would pick this up very quickly. In my opinion, that bit could only possibly stop rearing due to a discomfort issue in the mouth- it's not going to have any effect on a horse that's going up for behavioural or other pain related reasons.

Having seen the picture Esther has shared, the rears really look quite dangerous, so I would argue there is harm in continuing to persevere- imagine if the rider and horse went over onto the cars behind them.

I am not saying PTS has to be the outcome- but if it is behavioural, then I don't believe gadgets are going to be the solution, and continuing to ride the horse is putting the horse, rider and other people in danger.
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I completely agree, it’s like I said a bit further back in the thread, Personally it’s a no no for me, I wouldn’t have the confidence to ride a know rearing horse like that one but then I read she didn’t find the posts helpful and I remembered coming across that bit So thought I’d share, whether it works or not, how it works, I have no idea xx
 
Sadly, let this thread be a warning to any novice going out buying a horse without a trusted experienced person with them who would have told them not to buy it.
To be honest I wouldn't even want to ask a professional to ride it, just because they are being paid doesn't mean they should have to risk their neck.
 
she deleted her post and admin of the group address it , The girl is 18 apparently is a completely novice and the horse was advertised as a not a novice ride . Previous owner won’t take the horse back. As she stated in her Facebook post. To be honest my opinion is she completely over horsed herself and is now terrified of the horse and is trying her best to force the old owners to take the horse back. Hence badmouthing the previous owners on Facebook.

I hope someone reading will learn from this girls mistake and not make the same mistake. The op is now stuck with a horse that she can’t ride and will cost a lot of money to fix. I hope the horse doesn’t suffer as a result because i have got a feeling the horse will be past to piller to post.
 
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