RSPCA originally formed by pro hunt Conservative MP

JanetGeorge said:
That's a bit contradictory, isn't it? A couple of posts ago you were saying the draghounds hunted a trail with no problems! :rolleyes: Now they're regularly attempting to follow a fox scent and have to be called off (let's hope the huntsman didn't stop for a pee!):D
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I don't understand your problem understanding me Janet.

Let me give you an example. On Saturday the hounds found fox in a covert and their voices gave the game away completely. The owner of the pack, who was field mastering that day, smiled and joked about how well the hounds were working and then said "shame that's not the line they should be following" as the Huntsman and whips were in the process of calling them off. A minute or two later, they were put onto the right scent, and off we all went after them.

It is not a "problem" that they find fox and are called off, it's quite good fun to hear their excitement and to see the level of control that our Huntsmen and Whips have over them.

I do not see how you could define something that is bound to happen in the course of taking a pack of foxhounds through woods and across open country as a problem, hence I do not understand your confusion.

In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that you might be arguing with me for the sake of it :D ?
 
JanetGeorge said:
MOST drag hunts use foxhounds who proved poor scenting hounds - the MUCH stronger scent used for draghunting suits them - and because the drags are laid over 'prepared' lines, it's less likely a fox will pop up in their path.

Hunts which ARE hunting legally have plenty of problems, believe me. Hounds will see/scent a fox and they're off! If the huntsman or whipper-in are close enough they can stop them pretty quickly - if they're not (and hunt monitors are at hand) chances are they will be prosecuted!

You really don't know much about hunting, do you!
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Well then the answer is simple.

Don't hunt with hounds.
 
cptrayes said:
I don't understand your problem understanding me Janet.

Let me give you an example. On Saturday the hounds found fox in a covert and their voices gave the game away completely. The owner of the pack, who was field mastering that day, smiled and joked about how well the hounds were working and then said "shame that's not the line they should be following" as the Huntsman and whips were in the process of calling them off.
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Funny - I don't know of many draghunts who lay trails through coverts! And what if the huntsman had been caught up getting back some rioting hounds. And there'd been hunt monitors in the wood who got just a couple of minutes of video of hounds hunting a fox with no-one trying to stop them at that precise time?? Of course, if the huntsman arrived on the scene to STOP hounds the video would have been turned off!
 
JanetGeorge said:
Funny - I don't know of many draghunts who lay trails through coverts! And what if the huntsman had been caught up getting back some rioting hounds. And there'd been hunt monitors in the wood who got just a couple of minutes of video of hounds hunting a fox with no-one trying to stop them at that precise time?? Of course, if the huntsman arrived on the scene to STOP hounds the video would have been turned off!
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Again, surely the answer is to stop hunting with hounds?
 
I don't know about any one else but I'm certainly not going to give up my lifestyle just because of the possibility that at times people may think we're hunting illegally when we're not...
 
Full circle.

What a logical cunning plan. Get rid of the hounds, get the RSPCA to neuter them & keep them until they die & bingo - a whole species of animal has been erradicated due to 'animal rights nutters.'

What clever kind people they are.
 
Hunters said:
Full circle.

What a logical cunning plan. Get rid of the hounds, get the RSPCA to neuter them & keep them until they die & bingo - a whole species of animal has been erradicated due to 'animal rights nutters.'

What clever kind people they are.
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Get a grip.

Ridiculous. That's like saying that by dog fighting being banned that pit bulls have died out in this world. :rolleyes:

Excuses excuses excuses. What an absolute load of bile.
 
Hunters said:
The huntsman could clearly be seen trying to stop the hounds.

Long & short of it, the anti was found guilty & after the verdict, previous convictions were read out & they were as long as your arm.

A fee months later, the anti had appealed the decision & so back to court we all went. Upon seeing us all once more prepared to go through it all again, the anti cancelled the appeal.

So yes you can do something about antis & trespass but it's a long & drawn-out process.
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Good, I'm glad people are fighting back. I'm not involved in hunting but the way the anti's behave is nothing short of terrorism. Perhaps hunting folk should wear balaclavas and carry a shot gun each :)
 
SarahColeman said:
An even dumber question from me lastchancer :) If the hunts are not breaking the law why are they doing all they can not to be monitored. If they are law abiding the monitors can prove this for them and trail hunting may not be banned after all.
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But they are balaclava wearing thugs. If they were officially employed by the government then the hunts would have no choice but to accept them, much like trade standards are tolerated, and the tax man ect. If someone whom you know already hated you started to follow you around wearing military gear, a balaclava and clutching a camcorder, would you not be a little alarmed?
 
The anti that was found guilty of aggravated trespass with us, was also involved in the digging up of the body of the grandmother who was related to the guinea pig people.

Somehow in their minds, digging up a corpse is ok.
 
JanetGeorge said:
I'm not interested in lawbreakers being 'clever' - what I AM concerned about is hunts that are doing their utmost to hunt within the law ensuring they take care - video their trail laying etc - so that IF they find themselves facing charges because of an accidental riot on fox they'll be able to PROVE without doubt that it WAS an accident!

That is fine Janet. The Heythrop were prosecuted because they believed they were above the law and could hunt foxes illegally in the full view of filming monitors the arrogant so and so's. They were rightly prosecuted and it is people like them that will ruin legal trail hunting for all of you who wish to enjoy the hounds working a false trail. The ONLY way forward or you could say last chance for mounted hunts is synthetic scent and robust control of hounds with no fox deaths. If not the packs will be gone in the near future.
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lastchancer said:
But they are balaclava wearing thugs. If they were officially employed by the government then the hunts would have no choice but to accept them, much like trade standards are tolerated, and the tax man ect. If someone whom you know already hated you started to follow you around wearing military gear, a balaclava and clutching a camcorder, would you not be a little alarmed?
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No. If he/she is clutching a video camera I would guess the balaclava was for protection tbh. I originally would have agreed with government supported monitors but not any more. The hunts can not be trusted and trail hunting is being used as an excuse for killing foxes. Unless trail hunting is controlled via the scent etc then it is time for it to be banned full stop.
 
Hunters said:
The anti that was found guilty of aggravated trespass with us, was also involved in the digging up of the body of the grandmother who was related to the guinea pig people.

Somehow in their minds, digging up a corpse is ok.
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To describe this individual it is not sufficient to describe them as anti foxhunting in a ludicrous attempt to stereotype those who go out watching, monitoring or indeed sabbing the hunts.
 
Having seen responses on here. Is it any wonder the monitors are out in force when there are a significant number of you that openly state you will continue to break the law. This attitude not only ruins the 'sport' for your fellow 'hunters' who abide by the law but also results in prosecutions being brought, which you then criticise the RSPCA for doing! Rather hypocritical don't you think. If you want to continue breaking the law don't moan when you get caught!!!! Which is of cause what this whole heythrop situation is about? If you didn't break the law the RSPCA wouldn't have to'waste' money prosecuting you!
 
SarahColeman said:
To describe this individual it is not sufficient to describe them as anti foxhunting in a ludicrous attempt to stereotype those who go out watching, monitoring or indeed sabbing the hunts.
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Sorry to tell you this, but you're wrong. The average sabs are easily stereotyped. They justify the committing of crime by their loathing of those who hunt, and their ludicrous beliefs that those who hunt are class structured and upper class based. They care nothing for the welfare of those animals which they claim to support, and their lack of respect for the rights and privacy of others, let alone the laws of this land, set them aside as anarchic thugs. Their claims to represent justice , order and animal welfare are simply preposterous. Their actions are a complete rebuttal of their claims.

We don't tend to get your heroes here in Norfolk, much, but if we did, then I would willingly set aside my time to film and monitor their activities. Monitoring would be the ideal way to demonstrate to the generally bemused public that your chums are not actually as they seem. ;)

Alec.
 
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SarahColeman said:
Why suggest giving them to the RSPCA now when you are under pressure?? You usually just kill the hounds!
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How you can make such a statement when your friends have called hounds across a public highway, with fatal results, would stretch credulity. It begs the question whether they were your friends, or you're actually part of their movement.

The behaviour and stance of those who you seem to support, is such that I'd have thought that any caring person would feel just a little embarrassed. Perhaps you feel no sense of shame.

Why anyone considers you worthy of discussion, is beyond me, and you'd be right, I don't! ;)

Again, Good night.

Alec.
 
JanetGeorge said:
Funny - I don't know of many draghunts who lay trails through coverts!
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We often do. Both our drag packs like to make the day as like fox hunting as possible. Both packs lay trails through patches of woodland, which I thought were called coverts though no doubt you will swiftly correct me on that if I am wrong :D

On this occasion though, the trail was not laid through the woodland, the hounds just caught a scent from where they were in the field beside it and gave chase.

You really are arguing about this just for the sake of it, aren't you Janet? I'm game if you are.


And what if the huntsman had been caught up getting back some rioting hounds. And there'd been hunt monitors in the wood who got just a couple of minutes of video of hounds hunting a fox with no-one trying to stop them at that precise time??
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Why would no-one be trying to stop them? If ours go off after the wrong scent there are two or three people after them immediately.

The answer for fox hunts is straightforward Janet. Have a camera on the huntsman. It will then be clear that he is attempting to call off the hounds. They are cheap as chips and any hunt that has no intention of hunting fox would be daft, in my opinion, not to do this.

The answer for drag packs is that of course we are never sabbed, because we never kill fox. Our hounds are called off, and obey.
 
Countryman said:
....I'm certainly not going to give up my lifestyle just because of the possibility that at times people may think we're hunting illegally when we're not...
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But no-one is asking you to.

They are asking the hunts that are hunting fox illegally to give up doing that.

If you are hunting legally then that will have no effect on your lifestyle whatsoever, will it :confused:
 
cptrayes said:
But no-one is asking you to.

They are asking the hunts that are hunting fox illegally to give up doing that.

If you are hunting legally then that will have no effect on your lifestyle whatsoever, will it :confused:
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I think he was responding to Moomin's hysterical comment about not hunting with any hounds and just going for a glorified hack...
 
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