Taught Mr G to rear on command in-hand :)

video has now been removed by the OP - however i did manage to watch it before it was removed and I too was shocked when the horse struck out and was then rewarded.

This is not a safe activity to teach your horse :(
 
Blimey you really have had it tough from alot of people here!!

Nothing wrong with what you have done, but it's all about timing as others have said you have rewarded some negative behaviour, you may find it easier to get a clicker.... so you click the second a rear comes then feed the treat after!

One of my friends a very knowledeable lady with a 17.2 IDxTB was loose schooling hers once and the horse ran up to her and she raised both hands to shoe her away and this triggered a rear, then a word was placed with it, and she learnt from that day, that horse wouldn't have dreamt of doing it under saddle, or whilst being handled was literally whilse loose, so perhaps you need to rethink when you want the horse to rear as perhaps whilst attached to you isn't such a great idea, i am not sure, perhaps seek advice from a trainer?

i personally think teaching a horse to kiss you on the face with its lips is dangerous, imagine if it took your nose off lol
 
I removed the video because i could not tolerate anymore. Someone will proberly repate it in words though if you wish to know what happened to my future 'meat market rearer'.
 
Can you not see why we are mostly cross with you and dont think that was such a good idea?

I would imagine after watching your vid and the others you have uploaded that you are a novice. Teaching your horse to rear is not something a novice should be doing. I dont really understand why anyone would want to teach this but can appreicate that for the likes of the devils horseman stunt team it can be of benefit. But for an average low level young girl it seems to me you are playing with things you do not understand and it is likely that you will at some point get hurt. What will happen to your horse after that?
 
I haven't watched the video but when I was a child (many years ago!) my brother and me taught his little 12.2 pony to rear on command when being ridden He remained the safest child's pony ever and we thought it thought it was the best thing ever. We could imagine he was a splendid stallion!
 
Trot_On_Dressage said:
I would imagine after watching your vid and the others you have uploaded that you are a novice. Teaching your horse to rear is not something a novice should be doing.
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She's actually a very talented rider, with a current national title I believe? (Sorry if I'm getting you mixed up with someone else) :)

But I agree I'm afraid, silly trick taught badly :( I too knew a horse who was put down for rearing and badly injuring his owner - the same owner who had taught him that rearing and putting his front legs on her shoulders was a really cute trick when he was a youngster (and a hand reared one at that).
 
Lucinda_x said:
I removed the video because i could not tolerate anymore. Someone will proberly repate it in words though if you wish to know what happened to my future 'meat market rearer'.
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I know some of the comments seemed harsh but it wasn't just for the sake of being nasty, people genuinely saw something that could be dangerous to you and maybe not do your pony any favours in the long run, Of course people with trick ponies teach them the tricks but mostly they are people in circuses who have been brought up doing that sort of thing and have a different skill set to us 'normal' riders.
Perhaps you didn't see it from any other angle than you had a clever pony and he had learned quickly. Quite often that is the problem, they can be as quick to learn bad stuff as to learn good stuff.
Please see the advise for what it is and not just a chance to biatch at you.
 
Trot_On_Dressage said:
I would imagine after watching your vid and the others you have uploaded that you are a novice. Teaching your horse to rear is not something a novice should be doing. I
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A novice, Seriously?! I guess everyone has a different view on what a novice is but I wouldn't say this girl is one. Watching the vids I saw a confident rider having fun and competing her horses, nothing Novicey about her!
 
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I know some of the comments seemed harsh but it wasn't just for the sake of being nasty, people genuinely saw something that could be dangerous to you and maybe not do your pony any favours in the long run, Of course people with trick ponies teach them the tricks but mostly they are people in circuses who have been brought up doing that sort of thing and have a different skill set to us 'normal' riders.
Perhaps you didn't see it from any other angle than you had a clever pony and he had learned quickly. Quite often that is the problem, they can be as quick to learn bad stuff as to learn good stuff.
Please see the advise for what it is and not just a chance to biatch at you.
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Some of the comments were just plain bitchy and nasty, with the view to hurt her feelings !
 
Just a word of warning about teaching them kissing too, I nearly lost my top lip and cheek with this one, something I had done a million times before and thought nothing of. Trust me, when a horse bites and means it then it REALLY hurts and is incredibly powerful, can do a lot of damage! I will never put my face near a horse's mouth again and constantly watch the children when around them.
 
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"Op, if you stand by your opinion that training your horse to rear is so good my question to you is....Why have you removed the video?????????"

Poster clearly posted because she was excited about doing something new with her horse. Whilst several posters left negative comments with good intentions, there were several that were downright rude. Videos of our horses are pretty personal things. I don't think I'd leave a video of me and my beloved horse on show if I was given so much criticism!

Having met the OP and her gorgeous horse i would say they have a very close bond and her horse is a real star.

I can see that many people are concerned about what the OP is doing, and want to warn her against it, but those doing so with tact will probably be more successful in getting anyone to consider their actions .
 
rhino said:
I too knew a horse who was put down for rearing and badly injuring his owner - the same owner who had taught him that rearing and putting his front legs on her shoulders was a really cute trick when he was a youngster (and a hand reared one at that).
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Teaching a youngster to rear is, imo, unwise. Darach is the only one of mine who doesn't - because I don't know whether I will be able to trust him or not.

I taught Fergs because he had already displayed a tendancy to rear when stressed (out hacking as a 4 year old). I figured I had nothing to lose other than to teach him to balance better, and potentially get more control with a "stop" command. It has thus far worked...
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
Some of the comments were just plain bitchy and nasty, with the view to hurt her feelings !
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I can only remember reading one bitchy comment (although I've been skim reading so may have missed some) and I don't agree with it but I think the majority of us are genuinly shocked, so may come across bluntly. Teaching your horse to rear is one thing, which I would never do, but if she wants to do it, with the possible repecussions, that is her decision. I think what most people are shocked at the fact she cannot see she rewarded her horse for going to kick her. Maybe she didn't notice at the time but you can clearly see him stepping back, putting ears back and kicking out in the video. This is a dangerous thing for not just her, but anyone who comes into contact with the horse, and she needs to realise that.
 
Jess, if you want I will show you Fergs "buttons" when you come done? If you want to ride him after seeing what he does?

I often get asked how I differentiate it from rein back. The aids for rein back are completely different - legs back behind the girth, weight slightly forward. Walk on is a normal leg position / seat. Go up is a forward leg position with seat back / weight central. I can differentiate between those 3 without any problems. I can't, for some reason, reliably differentiate between rein back and turn on the forehand at the moment though ;)
 
Trot_On_Dressage said:
I would imagine after watching your vid and the others you have uploaded that you are a novice. Teaching your horse to rear is not something a novice should be doing. I dont really understand why anyone would want to teach this but can appreicate that for the likes of the devils horseman stunt team it can be of benefit. But for an average low level young girl it seems to me you are playing with things you do not understand and it is likely that you will at some point get hurt. What will happen to your horse after that?
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Now that was just mean and unjustified. Not the first time either.
 
tasteofchristmaschaos said:
I can only remember reading one bitchy comment (although I've been skim reading so may have missed some) and I don't agree with it but I think the majority of us are genuinly shocked, so may come across bluntly. Teaching your horse to rear is one thing, which I would never do, but if she wants to do it, with the possible repecussions, that is her decision. I think what most people are shocked at the fact she cannot see she rewarded her horse for going to kick her. Maybe she didn't notice at the time but you can clearly see him stepping back, putting ears back and kicking out in the video. This is a dangerous thing for not just her, but anyone who comes into contact with the horse, and she needs to realise that.
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Why are you telling me this?? Don't skim read, go back and read it properly, I have advised the owner to get a clicker so she can reward later, she needs to reward for the rear not the cheeky lashing out!... and I don't think she has argued that she shouldn't have rewarded for the kick I think she has been tryint to defend her actions for the rearing, but its not our business.....
 
i hope i havent hurt your feelings in my earlier post, i thought i was quite reasonable. there are some harsh comments which are uncalled for but i think we are all just thinking of your safety and your horse. have looked at your videos and he seems a cracking little chap, would hate to see him with a bad habbit!
 
JustFindingTheDecorations said:
Jess, if you want I will show you Fergs "buttons" when you come done? If you want to ride him after seeing what he does?

I often get asked how I differentiate it from rein back. The aids for rein back are completely different - legs back behind the girth, weight slightly forward. Walk on is a normal leg position / seat. Go up is a forward leg position with seat back / weight central. I can differentiate between those 3 without any problems. I can't, for some reason, reliably differentiate between rein back and turn on the forehand at the moment though ;)
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BH can't do turn on the forehand either. But he can rein back :) I'm a bit worried now that if I rode him I'd spend the whole time going up and down and confusing the heck out of the poor lad! :o
 
How was that mean Rockymum, it is the truth. Are we not allowed to say the truth anymore. The OP uploaded this video to an open forum.

I was trying to point out to this girl how dangerous her "trick is"

When i was a teenager if i taught any of my ponies to do this i would have been crucified by my mum and my instructor!
 
Oh I think he's a great pony, I too hope I wasn't too harsh in my earlier posts (don't think I was - just not keen on training that way for tricks :) ). Stick him in the post to me if you want, great pop in him :)
 
Trot_On_Dressage said:
How was that mean Rockymum, it is the truth. Are we not allowed to say the truth anymore. The OP uploaded this video to an open forum.

I was trying to point out to this girl how dangerous her "trick is"

When i was a teenager if i taught any of my ponies to do this i would have been crucified by my mum and my instructor!
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I agree about the rearing, and have posted my feelings earlier.

However calling her an "average low level young girl" is hardly appropriate. Looking at her other videos she is hardly novice and that is a cracking pony which I would be happy to own. Thats why I thought it was a shame to teach him bad habits.
 
Trot_On_Dressage said:
When i was a teenager if i taught any of my ponies to do this i would have been crucified by my mum and my instructor!
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Shame they didn't teach you basic manners at the same time :rolleyes:

TOD; you have a very abrasive manner on this board, it's not the first time you have upset or alienated people. Perhaps you could read over what you write before you hit the 'submit reply' button occasionally?
 
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