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A few of you mentioned wobblers, I'm not a vet but In my heart I really don’t think this is the issue, he is coordinated, can turn tight circles, will react to a tail pull ect.
If he broke his pelvis he would have done so at Liphook as he didnt do any of this jogging, locking ect until i sent him there for his breathing issues, he came back a different horse. I said on here that he keeps jogging when i got on him and wouldnt walk. it was put down to a horse feeling better but if i had been more experienced i think i would have thought more. When i collected him i was told he was cheeky and i know he can be but the more i think about it the more i wonder if he was a twit and injured himself there. I know that sounds crazy but he never jogged before then. He was poorly with his breathing, he was trying to kill me with his behavior but all everyone kept saying was he is so good and calm to ride that he was worth fighting for. That horse never came back, the joggy hard to ride one returned.How much have you got left on the insurance ?
You need to spend it with the right vet .
That’s a specialist in work ups who understands what’s possible and not possible in terms of costs .
BTw is there any evidence he may have broken his pelvis because that what he looks like , a horse I know who was returned home from another yard with a broken pelvis .
I know this is all questions for vets but i am just taking it all in and thinking out loud.
The physio (vet recommended, the best they said) was also extremely happy with my little cob when she came to see him in December. He wasn't going 'right' which is why she came out and basically she couldn't find a single thing really. He didn't really show any neurological issues or any tense areas, she was happier with him than my other horse! She wrote down he felt nice and not needing to revisit.. I went away feeling its me riding him wrong, yet he continued to act unhappy.
When the vet re visited within a matter of weeks, we x-rayed his full body as a last resort and it showed severe neck arthritis and hock arthritis. She was a excellent physio, but just shows they can't tell whats happening underneath but it was idea as the vet was struggling himself to find the issue until x-rays showed us. To add, he is co-ordinated.. you wouldn't ever think he had neck issues. It really can affect any horse and especially cobs.
I haven't red all of the replies, has he been in for a full work up yet at a vets? The videos make me think something neck related.. its so much more common than we think, a specialist told me that last week. Specially considering she mentioned neurological.. Do you ever notice if he trips in front?
If he broke his pelvis he would have done so at Liphook as he didnt do any of this jogging, locking ect until i sent him there for his breathing issues, he came back a different horse. I said on here that he keeps jogging when i got on him and wouldnt walk. it was put down to a horse feeling better but if i had been more experienced i think i would have thought more. When i collected him i was told he was cheeky and i know he can be but the more i think about it the more i wonder if he was a twit and injured himself there. I know that sounds crazy but he never jogged before then. He was poorly with his breathing, he was trying to kill me with his behavior but all everyone kept saying was he is so good and calm to ride that he was worth fighting for. That horse never came back, the joggy hard to ride one returned.
I really dont think so, i had him a year before he went to liphook. The jogging isn't like he is trying to run off or prance, its possibly slower than walk, its just strange. He honestly never did that once before. He did it from the very first time i got on him when he came home. His breathing issues weren't fixed right away so it wasn't like he was suddenly cured.Alternately, and speaking as an allergic asthmatic, if you cant breath well, you will be very docile. Maybe fixing the breathing issue has allowed the true forward thinking joggy nature to surface? Maybe he never was truly quiet? Just speculating.
I really feel for you OP. I was in a situation last year with a horse who had a bit of a question mark on her background and I had various professionals tell me that there was nothing wrong with her and that she was sound. But I had a horse that under saddle was exhibiting the signs of a very uncomfortable animal.
If it were me, I would send him in for a complete lameness investigation. Perhaps starting with a full body bone scan to see if they can pick up any areas of activity that might give a clue as to where there is an issue (if it’s a bone issue, that is) and then start scanning.
Bone scans pick up areas of increased activity e.g. heat etc. They will pick up soft tissue injuries too. Painfully expensive, but useful
Bone scans pick up areas of increased activity e.g. heat etc. They will pick up soft tissue injuries too. Painfully expensive, but useful
I think your understanding is a bit limited.
Bone scans use a radioactive tracer that identifies areas of bone turnover. They don’t detect heat, but on the scans any active areas are called hotspots so can understand your confusion. They are not a scan that can diagnose soft tissue damage, they are for bone. You really get a very limited ‘image’. That said if you have a hotspot it can sometimes direct you to image surrounding soft tissue using different diagnostics - eg high suspensories at point of insertion can sometimes show some localised bone turnover.
If he broke his pelvis he would have done so at Liphook as he didnt do any of this jogging, locking ect until i sent him there for his breathing issues, he came back a different horse. I said on here that he keeps jogging when i got on him and wouldnt walk. it was put down to a horse feeling better but if i had been more experienced i think i would have thought more. When i collected him i was told he was cheeky and i know he can be but the more i think about it the more i wonder if he was a twit and injured himself there. I know that sounds crazy but he never jogged before then. He was poorly with his breathing, he was trying to kill me with his behavior but all everyone kept saying was he is so good and calm to ride that he was worth fighting for. That horse never came back, the joggy hard to ride one returned.
Neck possibly has a bit part to play or it is secondary to something behind.
eyes- i like the curve ball idea but its not his eyes, he often sets towards objects on purpose, if there is a cone or a barrel in an area he often makes a b line for them just to kick them over. He knew the bush was there.
Feet, possibly, vet said he was slightly foot sore on one of his fronts on hard ground but wasnt concerned.
Scats- When you say suspensory is this below his hock? would you think the issue is above or below the hock?
YCBM - its got something to do with putting the weight back i am sure of it. He is insured. The Arthritis is by no means severe, its very early stages which makes me wonder if this is secondary. regardless i doubt the injections have helped if he has done this within a week.
I will research wobblers but i think i have looked at this before and it doesnt seem right, its a response to pain. if you add the below video to the equation, this is him sleeping, he does this a fare bit. he doesnt lay down but will roll a lot. Its like he cant lock something he should be able to. Or its sleep deprivation which is what vet suggested before but could it all be linked? The clip was after he was let out of box rest so the poor thing was exhausted, i would say he probably does this 1 - 3 times a day. Vet not concerned
To add he is asleep in this clip, starting to go into REM, he isnt just stretching, he falls and it wakes him up slowely. i'm sure that clear but ive been told a few times he is stretching *roles eyes*
He is insured and i really want answers.
Just to clarify, some have mentioned wobblers. others have ,mentioned neck and neurological issues....the term wobblers is often used as shorthand for neck issues, but there are many other causes, many of which will be negative for the classic tests.
....wobblers is a specific condition of instability of the neck vertebrae which means that when the neck is moved in a certain way, pressure is applied to the spinal cord causing odd gait/balance anomalies particularly of the hind quarters.
....injuries to the neck, causing bony changes such as facet joint arthritis.....or soft tissue swellings....or disc problems, can also cause neurlogical or gait anomalies, but because the actual vertebrae are stable, the specific wobbler tests may be negative.....however certain movements such as that shown in your 1st video can cause pinching/pressure. The 2nd video could also show issues deep in the C6/C7 region, as lying down/getting up may trigger pain, and hence reluctance to lie down/stay lying down and hence sleep deprivation.
....if the neck has not been fully examined, please don't discount it as the primary site of issue. Also be aware that, contrary to what you might expect, some issues will show on X-ray/some on bone scan....but not necessarily on both!..and some need other tests to show up!.
Get him tested for Degenerative suspensory ligament desmitisI’ve made up my mind, I’m going to ask for my vets to refer him to rossdales for a ridden work up, I tried to get a minute of trot out of him on grass and he just locked on the left today, a bit abnormal behind so that’s that, yesterday he didn’t show me anything clear and today he did. I’ll arrange a day off to take him and stay with him whilst it’s going on and take it from there.
May mission fix Strawberry commence!
I’ll keep you all posted x