The Egypt Horse Project ?

No, that was another one and sadly he died before she could buy him from the owner but needless to say I never got my money back. Still can't believe I actually thought she was telling me the truth but she assured me that's what they do at the zoo which I later found out was a downright lie
 
They are asking people to buy food now from their shop to feed the horses at TEHP because they are short of funds, well perhaps the money they have got set aside for the new sanctuary at Dahab could be used for this.
 
I just returned from Egypt. I went over to visit friends who are veterinarians. This rescue is a bit of a scandal...the Egyptians will not do anything about it as she is a foreigner....this girl is in way over her head IMO....what little I saw and heard (including seeing her FB stuff long before I visited) showed me someone who was both inexperienced and not realistic. The big scandal is that she took a sick foal - whom she decided was "dead" - albeit still warm some hours AFTER she decided that it had died.......(DUH!!!! Dead horses are cold and stiff by that time) out to the desert and burned it.....she burned a living foal to death people. The help was not being paid, the feed bills were not being paid, horses were getting by on "loaned" and scavenged food....but she used donated funds to go home to visit...

The horses that I saw at the Prymids, that I saw being hacked, were in reasonably good condition - yes, a few too thin for my taste...but these horses there are not born and bred and raised and kept the way our horses in the US/UK are!!!! They pretty much all work for a living, and are tougher and hardier than most....that is what Arabian horses - even the Ballady horses are Arabs or partially Arabs! - are known for...tough little horses who thrive where other breeds will fall apart.

There are other groups in Egypt doing good work....perhaps helping those groups, ex-pats as well, will help the animals falling through the cracks there....
 
wolfstraum said:
I just returned from Egypt. I went over to visit friends who are veterinarians. This rescue is a bit of a scandal...the Egyptians will not do anything about it as she is a foreigner....this girl is in way over her head IMO....what little I saw and heard (including seeing her FB stuff long before I visited) showed me someone who was both inexperienced and not realistic. The big scandal is that she took a sick foal - whom she decided was "dead" - albeit still warm some hours AFTER she decided that it had died.......(DUH!!!! Dead horses are cold and stiff by that time) out to the desert and burned it.....she burned a living foal to death people. The help was not being paid, the feed bills were not being paid, horses were getting by on "loaned" and scavenged food....but she used donated funds to go home to visit...

The horses that I saw at the Prymids, that I saw being hacked, were in reasonably good condition - yes, a few too thin for my taste...but these horses there are not born and bred and raised and kept the way our horses in the US/UK are!!!! They pretty much all work for a living, and are tougher and hardier than most....that is what Arabian horses - even the Ballady horses are Arabs or partially Arabs! - are known for...tough little horses who thrive where other breeds will fall apart.

There are other groups in Egypt doing good work....perhaps helping those groups, ex-pats as well, will help the animals falling through the cracks there....
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That is absolutely shocking, I heard she had abandoned 3 foals in the Uk when she went to Egypt, one of those foals died and the RSPCA were investigating her but she had gone.
 
I know that she dumped 3 NF foals in a field, one was sick and died, it was found in the field. The other 2 were put on a rescue site whilst she went to Egypt and left them in a field. She didn't have anyone wanting to rehome them, and told the woman she was sharing the field with, that she had asked for the RSPCA to come and shoot them as she was in Egypt and didn't want them anymore. The woman she was sharing with was really upset at this , and she was paying out for them as no money was left. The last I heard, someone took the 2. All that happened whilst she was busy setting up in Egypt.
 
Why are new people joining the forum just to say these things? I mean, how does that even happen? Does somebody tell you there's a thread about this and you run in? Are you existing members who want anonymity? Sorry, it's just... nowt ever looks as suspect as that does!
 
Floxie said:
Why are new people joining the forum just to say these things? I mean, how does that even happen? Does somebody tell you there's a thread about this and you run in? Are you existing members who want anonymity? Sorry, it's just... nowt ever looks as suspect as that does!
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Who cares? New people join this forum all the time. Many have read it for years and then perhaps something draws their attention and they register to have their say. Nothing wrong with that and probably how most of us joined in the first place :smile3:
 
I joined to join in a post that caught my eye just as Spring Feather says, I think also people who are not members have learned of this post and joined so they can tell us what they know, Im glad they did, it dosnt make their posts any less worthy.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I joined to join in a post that caught my eye just as Spring Feather says, I think also people who are not members have learned of this post and joined so they can tell us what they know, Im glad they did, it dosnt make their posts any less worthy.
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That's what spurred me on to joining 10 years ago too. And I agree, the new members comments are of interest and relevant to this discussion so I can't see any issue myself.
 
It was shared on the TEHP Q&A Facebook page. So some people have joined to have their say - some of the people behind the page are there in Egypt watching it all unfold so will be able to keep an eye on the horses, hopefully.
 
Are you lot following this on their The Egypt Horse Project page? I'm just reading through the post about Ash setting up elsewhere and its very, very worrying. Lots of seemingly reasonable questions appear to have been asked re the big move & they are just not giving the answers.
How can they get away with this? It seems even DHI have raised several concerns over this new venture of hers, yet its all just being ignored?!
I almost hope that Wendy person does come here to 'set the record straight' at least then things might get answered?
 
Ive seen the valid questions raised on TEHP page and Ashs mum has just either ignored them,been rude and attacked the person asking them, she is furious that having said everything is fine people hav'n't accepted that. TEHP are saying their donations are at an all time low but refuse to post proof of what is actually in the kitty and anyone asking is accused of asking negative questions and to take themselves off the page.

Ash is off to the beach at Dahab taking her personal horses and donkeys with her so why does she need funding for this ?, but more importantly those horses were purchased by supporters so surely they belong to the supporters not Ash or is it just the old and sick left behind that belong to the supporters?

It all reads like a mad comedy sketch but unfortunately poor animals are caught up in this madness of someone with a huge ego who is determined to do what she wants and will not listen to reason.
 
Tbh it's no wonder Ash is one confused girl. Her mother sounds like a real card.

Amongst all the other oddities and inconsistencies, they've just mentioned wages which have to be paid; including paying Ahmed 2 and Ash taking no wage. I thought Ahmed 2 had been fired? And do we really believe Ash takes not one penny from the coffers?

It also kind of irks me that they continually go on about how difficult life is, and how dangerous it is for Ash out there. It's her choice to be there. No one is forcing her to remain in Egypt. There are other real registered charities out there who are doing a very good job and are still able to work their finances properly, it's probably best that TEHP close and leave the hard graft to the more capable charities.
 
I can't really get my head around their logic. I rode in Dahab in February, with a reputable stables (that I send clients to for riding trips) and there just isn't the market there right now. Giving away free rides will just make it that extra bit difficult for the locals to make their money and to feed their families and horses. It is a beautiful place though so maybe Ash genuinely does just want to be there.

I have always felt that TEHP were a bit untrustworthy somehow, there has always been a doubt in my mind. It's just sad to think that donations may have been used for other purposes instead of to help the horses as the donors intended, but I guess I haven't followed closely enough to know exactly what's happening. I'll be following with interest!
 
Can someone explain what this is? We gave money to them before, but we are so busy we didn't completely follow, I'm worried we may have been sprouted some bull!
Or could someone direct me to somewhere I can read up on it?
 
https://www.facebook.com/RescueAnimalsVoice?fref=ts

This is a group which has lots of ex supporters and ex admins of TEHP, people who were not happy with the lack of clarity regarding funds, so many different bank accounts, no transparency, lack of updates on horses, horses disappearing, cruelty by staff etc, when they started questioning TEHP they were asked to leave.

Read it all, its backed up by facts not just peoples opinions.
 
wolfstraum said:
The horses that I saw at the Prymids, that I saw being hacked, were in reasonably good condition - yes, a few too thin for my taste...but these horses there are not born and bred and raised and kept the way our horses in the US/UK are!!!! They pretty much all work for a living, and are tougher and hardier than most....that is what Arabian horses - even the Ballady horses are Arabs or partially Arabs! - are known for...tough little horses who thrive where other breeds will fall apart.

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I have to say, when I went to the Pyramids, and I've been quite a few times, 90% of the horses were either lame or hat racks. I have worked with horses in hot climates and understand they hold less weight and the feed is different etc, but 90% of the horses tourists were riding and that were pulling carriages shouldn't have been worked.
 
The climate in Dahab is far hotter, this is where Ash intends to go to start her new venture, they keep changing their minds so often on the TEHP, earlier on they were saying they were taking quite a few as Ashs personal horses now they are saying that she only owns a couple. Talk about being confused and her mum is being so rude to anyone asking questions and saying she has answered them when she blatently hasnt.
 
Is TEHP connected to PFK? as i see in PFK on facebook theres a horse with TEHP on its numnah!
Thought they were 2 different organisations....
 
Does it really matter Floxie? I've often looked at this forum when looking for advice, some good threads on mud fever a while ago. I decided to join after seeing this thread about TEHP as I have serious concerns about the horses being kept there the the alleged misappropriation of donations. I used to be a regular donator but was blocked after asking questions on the whereabouts of a horse I had sent money for and hadn't seen her on there since
 
I see on their Facebook page now, any of the posts made yesterday asking for information have been deleted...
No genuine charity or rescue organisation would behave in that way, if tehp are genuine they would have no need to remove the questions & concerns made by the public... they would surely be trying to address them, if they have nothing to hide? Not wasting their time deleting things & labelling concerned onlookers as 'trolls.'
Smacks of a scam to me, and people seem to be falling for it hook, line & sinker :(
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201058513725

This is their latest fundraiser, here is a photo of an old horse who they took in and the admin said it had been well looked after by its owner, judge for yourself if you think thats true, this horse died a while ago so why are they using its photo to generate donations for food. Its almost a sick joke because this horse never had any judging by its skeletal condition.
 
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