The Peel case horses - the lost ones

zaminda said:
Do people think if a petition was started to investigate the RSPCA, they would respond by hounding the person who started it? Having seen some of their tactics used on people, including the stories of them bullying elderly people it makes me wonder if that is the reason no one has started one, me included. I think I might start by contacting my MP, and go from there.
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The RSPCA would have no interest in 'hounding' any person starting a petition to investigate them, I think they have more things to worry about ;) They did infact commission their own independent review of their prosecution role, late in 2013. This was carried out by Stephen Wooler CB, (ex-HM Chief Inspector to the Crown Prosecution Service). The Wooler report was issued in Sept. 2014 you can read it in its entirety by googling RSPCA Wooler Report.

Back in Sept. 2015, A Select Committee of MP's was to be set up to examine the RSPCA's role in investigating and prosecuting cases of animal cruelty. There appears to be no updates on this committee actually being formed on the net.

The original thread regarding the RSPCA v Peel case can be read in the Equestrian news forum:- www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?708789-RSPCA-SHOOTS-11

The thread regarding the RSPCA being investigated can be found in Equestrian news forum on 22.09.15 started by Achinghips.

I think someone else on the forum tried to start a petition (think it's a post late in the RSPCA shoots 11 horses thread)

Hope this helps zaminda :)
 
ester said:
My colleague is a magistrate so far he is yet to come across a case presented by them which hasn't been targeted at a vulnerable person who was trying to do their best, following vets instructions etc but that the RSPCA felt fell short.
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As a magistrate (I no longer am one, I couldn't agree with the anti man family courts or the new costs that were given even if people could not pay) I did three RSPCA cases. In the first a local riding club President allowed one horse on his premises to starve to death. Not a vulnerable man at all, an active horse dealer.

In the second the RSPCA bent over backwards to help a couple with a GSD with digestive issues. When they refused to continue to feed the dog the only thing it could eat, Hills, they tried to get them to sign it over and were forced to seize it. In kennels, fed Hills, it recovered from being a hat rack with no medical treatment. They were as guilty as sin, not vulnerable at all, a working couple.

The third case was puppy farming importing lorry loads of dogs from Ireland. I signed the warrant to stop the van they were following and seize the contents, and I was back in court when it was first heard, but it was so serious it went to Crown.

I'm happy to accept that they sometimes get it wrong, disastrously so in the Peel case. But I'm absolutely certain that the majority of their prosecutions are absolutely correct and not of vulnerable people.

There are some which are of vulnerable people which they can't help. If someone is mistreating an animal but will not sign it over, then the only way for them to take possession of it and retain possession of it is to prosecute the owner. What else can they do - let an animal suffer because the owner is too ill to see how they are mistreating it?
 
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ycbm said:
As a magistrate........

..........I'm happy to accept that they sometimes get it wrong, disastrously so in the Peel case. But I'm absolutely certain that the majority of their prosecutions are absolutely correct and not of vulnerable people.
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My thoughts exactly ycbm, even if I've never been a magistrate.
 
the Peels should never be allowed to own any animals after the suffering imposed on those defenseless horses and sheep and dogs. cruel cruel cruel.
 
The list is 65 on AL including one poor mare that they've even admitted to not knowing where it is. If that is not a sign of uncaring hoarders what the hell is. How do you miss place a 17.2 horse??? Don't know how to put photos on here but what a stunning mare.

Dowland I'm Hello Dolly
17.2 Black Trakehner mare 2008
 
Mr Clovis said:
Cruel and too arrogant to admit they're wrong.
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They are like a bad penny. Always turning up.

Just reading that list on AL. Heron de la Forge, Taragun... those horses tried their heart out for that family and they ended up being shot far from home in unfamiliar surroundings. How could you live with yourself?

It was the fault of the peels. You load yourself up with horses, work away all week, don't engage staff to help but leave it all to your ailing and ageing husband and then try and say it isn't your fault? Why not ask for help?
 
Wella- Yeh looked like a stunning horse.
Was believed to be one of the corpses in the barn but was so decomposed was hard to prove. Peels dispute this, however as you said just seemed to have lost it?!
 
Sat and read this whole thread....it's truly disgusting that the Peels got away with this for so long...and how in hell did they get any of those animals back??!!
Do they still have them?? Have the RSPCA checked the conditions they are in now??
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
Sat and read this whole thread....it's truly disgusting that the Peels got away with this for so long...and how in hell did they get any of those animals back??!!
Do they still have them?? Have the RSPCA checked the conditions they are in now??
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It is disgusting that they got away with it but to answer the first question, as you have missed out some important parts in your reading, they got them back because the RSPCA messed up the prosecution, the second question yes they still have them as far as anybody knows and Evie was entered to compete on one fairly recently.

The final question I don't think the RSPCA would be allowed back on the premises for the foreseeable future considering what went on once the horses were "rescued" so it is unlikely there will be any monitoring.

Hopefully if nothing else they will have learnt that the horses cannot be left in such dreadful conditions, that they need to keep numbers down to a controllable level, that people will be watching and that however hard the Peels try to put it out of their minds, remain in denial, others will NOT forget those poor horses and will continue to try and find out what happened to the missing ones.
 
Well they have 14 back and not much land. Here's hoping they can't breed anymore and by keeping this thread bumped up no one sell them anymore :(
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
Sat and read this whole thread....it's truly disgusting that the Peels got away with this for so long...and how in hell did they get any of those animals back??!!
Do they still have them?? Have the RSPCA checked the conditions they are in now??
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The RSPCA have no right of entry into anyone's property. Whether we agree or not, the Peels were not banned from keeping animals and the conviction was overturned, so legally they are in the same boat as the rest of us. The RSPCA can apply to the magistrates for a warrant to enter, which must be executed by the police, IF they have evidence that there are animals suffering, a failed past prosecution is not admissable as evidence to get a warrant. So I very much doubt that the RSPCA will be welcomed on their property and the magistrates will need solid evidence to grant a warrant. Any organisation which attempts to bill someone for services which they patently did not supply, cannot expect to be welcomed in by the people they tried to fleece. No matter what wrongs the Peels did the RSPCA also behaved dishonestly
 
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