SEL
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Even though I know the result. watching it on IPlayer still with my heart in my mouth!
The thread of all Olympic Threads
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Honey08
Waffled a lot!
Wasn’t Tim Stockdale’s son picked?
GT_02
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He was travelling reserve, I think.
Bellaboo18
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He's the reserve
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
Ah thanks.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Thankyou, I seem to be having trouble working out if the lists I’ve seen are our time or Paris time . As it’s only one hour it seems less easy to be sure, must be an age thing
teapot
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Does the dressage start at 9 our time tomorrow , Teapot where are you please
Sorry sorry, I went for a glorious evening's walk.
9am tomorrow morning and start list is here: https://olympics.com/OG2024/pdf/OG2024/EQU/OG2024_EQU_C51(D)B_EQUODRESTEAM----------GPSP000100--.pdf
Becky at 10.10am, Carl at 12.05pm, and Lottie at 2.05pm
teapot
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If anyone's interesting in show jump design, fences from today https://olympics.com/OG2024/pdf/OG2024/EQU/OG2024_EQU_C03B_EQUOJUMPTEAM----------FNL-000100--.pdf
The lavender field one is gorgeous!
The lavender field one is gorgeous!
Equi
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I’m surprised the lavender one didn’t catch more out, it took me a few looks!
pistolpete
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Random thought anyone else think the male gymnastics commentator sounds like Johnny Vegas?
myheartinahoofbeat
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He's great isnt he? he's been going for years, I think his name is Mitch ...
Sanversera
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So far we've had the olympic flag upside down, how appropriate for a distress signal,the seine pollution, and now men battering women in the boxing ring and the blasphemous opening ceremony.
Bellaboo18
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So you're a glass half full person then.
There's been lots of positives of the games.
The flag upside down, woops, embarrassing, worse things happen.
Do we know Imane Khelif was born male? I can't find anything that says they were.
I thought the opening ceremony was crap but I'm not concerned about it being 'blasphemous'.
daffy44
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That lavender fence was beautiful! Actually I loved the design of all the fences, they worked very well in that stunning arena.
Supertrooper
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Everytime my OH hears him he mentions it
OrangeAndLemon
Afraid of exorcism
Not a man. She's a woman and she didn't batter anyone. She has a pretty average record and no one complained about her not being feminine enough when she got battered by the Irish boxer a few years ago.
She's from Algeria so is absolutely not transgender.
The boxing rules of weight categories tend to result in some equality across those in each weight category. That means boxing is probably the sport (where men and women compete separately) best able to ensure fairness with athletes who have a genetic condition giving them an advantage over other athletes.
ETA that doesn't mean I don't think there are some issues that sports have to face about testosterone being used as a performance enhancer vs genetic condition.
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JennBags
HHOSS Wonder Woman
I'm absolutely loving these Olympics, I think France is doing a fantastic job.
Every time I come to this thread to join in, it moves on so quickly I can't keep up
I'm quite often watching on catch up so don't want to read it as I go as I don't want to see the result. Can we do the hat trick tomorrow?
Every time I come to this thread to join in, it moves on so quickly I can't keep up
I'm quite often watching on catch up so don't want to read it as I go as I don't want to see the result. Can we do the hat trick tomorrow?
teddy_
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Imane Khelif was assigned female gender at birth. She failed a gender test due to a medical condition.
OrangeAndLemon
Afraid of exorcism
But they won't say what the test was. This is what I mean when I say that sport's governing bodies need to investigate properly and provide some consistent guidance for decision making.
Parrotperson
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Born to intersex has lived as a woman since birth.
There are 6 types of humans according to chromosomes.
- X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
- XX – Most common form of female
- XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
- XY – Most common form of male
- XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
- XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
It’s really interesting. And it really isn’t binary.
daffy44
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I'm often watching on catch up too, so I make sure I stay away from this thread until I'm ready!I'm absolutely loving these Olympics, I think France is doing a fantastic job.
Every time I come to this thread to join in, it moves on so quickly I can't keep up
OrangeAndLemon
Afraid of exorcism
And that's before you get to androgen insensitivity
YourValentine
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She is female, she identifies as female, the IOC is satisfied she is female. End of discussion.
Any perceived genetic/medical advantage she may or may not have is no different to Michael Phelps having excellent conformation for swimming. It still takes skill and hard work to win medals.
Any perceived genetic/medical advantage she may or may not have is no different to Michael Phelps having excellent conformation for swimming. It still takes skill and hard work to win medals.
Bellaboo18
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As much as I agree with you and I feel so terribly sorry for her, I don't think 'she identifies as female' can be used as an argument here.
DressageCob
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She's a woman, but that doesn't necessary end the dialogue.
For me the issue is one of safety. In athletics this type of condition just gives a biological advantage. Being stronger, having more testosterone, better bone density etc is an advantage. In other sports it may be dangerous, if the level of strength and force attainable is disproportionate. There's a reason boxing isn't mixed. So I can see that rules may be required to ensure bouts are safe (not fair, since that's not the issue IMO).
However, I don't see any evidence that was the case here. The Italian woman got punched but not floored. The Algerian woman had previously been defeated by women, which suggests there wasn't a clear advantage. The Italian woman has previously quit part way through with another competitor, when she was losing, due to twisting her ankle. If you look at the videos it looks contrived.
For me the issue is one of safety. In athletics this type of condition just gives a biological advantage. Being stronger, having more testosterone, better bone density etc is an advantage. In other sports it may be dangerous, if the level of strength and force attainable is disproportionate. There's a reason boxing isn't mixed. So I can see that rules may be required to ensure bouts are safe (not fair, since that's not the issue IMO).
However, I don't see any evidence that was the case here. The Italian woman got punched but not floored. The Algerian woman had previously been defeated by women, which suggests there wasn't a clear advantage. The Italian woman has previously quit part way through with another competitor, when she was losing, due to twisting her ankle. If you look at the videos it looks contrived.
teapot
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As much as I agree with you, Phelps wasn't punching people. There's a safety issue with boxing, but think that's a discussion for a seperate thread.
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Peregrine Falcon
Looking forward to cooler days
Just watching the round up programme. Love hearing Nick and Andy's commentary again, it's fabulous.
Interviewing them now.
Interviewing them now.
Bellaboo18
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I thought they came across really well
conniegirl
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The IOC’s test is to look at the competitors passport.
It is down to governing bodies to dictate and enforce other standards. Unfortunately the governing body for boxing (The IBA) is russian and suspended by IOC so it defaults to IOC. Both boxers failed the IBA gender test because they have a Y chromosome.
The italian woman is an olympic boxer, she stopped the bout because she feared for her safety, after just 2 punches. Do you think she has never taken a punch? That she just waltzed up and said “sure i’ll give it a go”.
For a boxer to give up her olympic dreams after just 2 punches says a lot about the opposition and not in a a good way.
The sport is separated by sex for safety reasons not just to ensure fairness.
Its a female class, not an “anyone who isn’t male” class.
SEL
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^^^^ well summed up.
There are some excellent articles on the chromosome diseases which lead to women who have the XY chromosome but do not obviously have male characteristics. It isn't one for this thread but ultimately they are biologically male. It is usually - but not always - picked up in puberty.