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[KEK]

Yep she and JK are in Australia and she’s been saying it how it is. Have not heard her mention CDJ but lots of good chatter.

 

[conniegirl]

6 non auto qualifiers i think.
1) Lottie Fry - 78.913
2) Carl Hester - 77.345
3) Isabel Freese - 76.397
4) Therese Nilshagen - 73.991
5) Emma Kanerva - 73.680
6) Sandra Sysojeva - 73.416

 

[KEK]

French horse had a nicer frame

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

6 non auto qualifiers i think.
1) Lottie Fry - 78.913
2) Carl Hester - 77.345
3) Isabel Freese - 76.397
4) Therese Nilshagen - 73.991
5) Emma Kanerva - 73.680
6) Sandra Sysojeva - 73.416

I think the French rider who just completed will now go on 5th on that list. It was a lovely test I thought.

 

[SAS56]

Dalera is lovely but does remind me of a spider

 

[piebaldproblems]

Nicky commented that Sertorius looks to find trotwork easier than the canter and you could see that reflected in the frame, with the head dropping behind the vertical in the canter but not so much in the trot.

 

[conniegirl]

I think the French rider who just completed will now go on 5th on that list. It was a lovely test I thought.

no, they will get one of the auto qualification spots. top 2 in each group go through automatically and the top 6 not already qualified also go through

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

no, they will get one of the auto qualification spots. top 2 in each group go through automatically and the top 6 not already qualified also go through

Of course! Sorry, doi!

I quite like how they've set it up in groups but got confused by it.

 

[piebaldproblems]

Not Dalera’s day today, not a harmonious test at all.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Dalera is lovely but does remind me of a spider

Much less settled than the previous horse.

And yet scoring so much higher

 

[conniegirl]

Much less settled than the previous horse.

scoring much better though

 

[SAS56]

Not Dalera’s day today, not a harmonious test at all.

Perhaps she has decided that she has done enough to retire?

 

[Maxine67]

Forgive my ignorance but I thought the idea of spurs was to give aids with smaller leg movements, quite a lot of the riders seem to have quite exaggerated movements, can anyone explain why?

 

[conniegirl]

82.06%

 

[SAS56]

Dalera looks very tired

 

[piebaldproblems]

She’s ridden a very accurate test with perfect transitions but surely the constant tension should have been penalised more?

 

[SAS56]

Forgive my ignorance but I thought the idea of spurs was to give aids with smaller leg movements, quite a lot of the riders seem to have quite exaggerated movements, can anyone explain why?

It's a combination of poor riding, some horses less sensitive to the leg and poor training of the movements. Look at Carl Hester, his legs barely move and yet others have legs like pendulums especially asking for flying changes .... lol

 

[piebaldproblems]

Well I feel like I’ve watched enough dressage to last me a year.

So see you all on Saturday for the special!

 

[piebaldproblems]

GB currently in Bronze and a Polish rider qualifying, not a bad day’s work.

 

[Crazy_cat_lady]

I really think the floor-based BMX stuff could be a viable dressage alternative for people who can't/won't deal with their sport involving a living being.

I find BMX way more exciting to watch, the tricks are ridiculous!

 

[Maxine67]

It's a combination of poor riding, some horses less sensitive to the leg and poor training of the movements. Look at Carl Hester, his legs barely move and yet others have legs like pendulums especially asking for flying changes .... lol

Thank you that makes sense, I remember watching dressage years ago and hardly being able to see leg aids at all

 

[Burnttoast]

Forgive my ignorance but I thought the idea of spurs was to give aids with smaller leg movements, quite a lot of the riders seem to have quite exaggerated movements, can anyone explain why?

Should be possible to train changes to a movement of the seatbone. The only time I ever did one-times was because I wriggled about slightly and inadvertently in the saddle. The horse's owner, who was training me, found it hilarious. I was very pleased lol (just to be able to say I'd done them) but a lot more careful about my wriggling after that. I imagine if a horse's attention is taken up almost entirely by the discomfort in its mouth/head, large and obvious aids are needed to get through to them.

 

[Maxine67]

Should be possible to train changes to a movement of the seatbone. The only time I ever did one-times was because I wriggled about slightly and inadvertently in the saddle. The horse's owner, who was training me, found it hilarious. I was very pleased lol (just to be able to say I'd done them) but a lot more careful about my wriggling after that. I imagine if a horse's attention is taken up almost entirely by the discomfort in its mouth/head, large and obvious aids are needed to get through to them.

That's what was puzzling me, surely in these very sensitive horses the aids should be practically invisible

 

[Barklands]

That's what was puzzling me, surely in these very sensitive horses the aids should be practically invisible

Agreed. However, I did wonder of the heat was particularly affecting a lot of the top horses today and yesterday. Although with some riders there is rather a lot of flapping regardless of the weather

 

[SEL]

Should be possible to train changes to a movement of the seatbone. The only time I ever did one-times was because I wriggled about slightly and inadvertently in the saddle. The horse's owner, who was training me, found it hilarious. I was very pleased lol (just to be able to say I'd done them) but a lot more careful about my wriggling after that. I imagine if a horse's attention is taken up almost entirely by the discomfort in its mouth/head, large and obvious aids are needed to get through to them.

At least you got something fancy - I just got fabulous extended trot the one and only time I've ridden a top level horse.

Didn't matter what I thought I was asking, extended trot was what I got!!

Couldn't sit to it either so kudos to a patient horse who wondered why the idiot had been dumped on his back.

Still totally fascinated by the BMX tricks. Bonkers.

 

[LEC]

It's a combination of poor riding, some horses less sensitive to the leg and poor training of the movements. Look at Carl Hester, his legs barely move and yet others have legs like pendulums especially asking for flying changes .... lol

some horses are naturally not as hot which Carl loves hence his legs don’t need to move as much. It’s nothing to do with poor training, some horses also shrink in the ring, some drop the leg and some find some movements easier than others and it gets highlighted in the piaffe/passage which needs a lot of energy from the horse. Some horses also get fatigued.
Making blanket statements like this drives me mad.

 

[LEC]

Should be possible to train changes to a movement of the seatbone. The only time I ever did one-times was because I wriggled about slightly and inadvertently in the saddle. The horse's owner, who was training me, found it hilarious. I was very pleased lol (just to be able to say I'd done them) but a lot more careful about my wriggling after that. I imagine if a horse's attention is taken up almost entirely by the discomfort in its mouth/head, large and obvious aids are needed to get through to them.

With endless time like the classical bunch have because it’s about the purity of the training then this is correct because it’s not about competition and needing to do set movements in a set pattern like a GP test. The reality in a fast paced GP test this isn’t so feasible so the change is done with weight in seatbones and backed up with leg.

 

[Burnttoast]

With endless time like the classical bunch have because it’s about the purity of the training then this is correct because it’s not about competition and needing to do set movements in a set pattern like a GP test. The reality in a fast paced GP test this isn’t so feasible so the change is done with weight in seatbones and backed up with leg.

Perhaps, but he was a horse competing for his country in his discipline (WE) and I don't think 'endless' time was taken in his training. Just the time required. He wasn't an ancient schoolmaster, he was about 12 at the time. It's also obvious that some riders need to 'back up' their seat aids a lot more than others - it's not as if tickling your horse's stifle with your spur should be necessary if you are among the elite.

 

[Burnttoast]

At least you got something fancy - I just got fabulous extended trot the one and only time I've ridden a top level horse.

Didn't matter what I thought I was asking, extended trot was what I got!!

Couldn't sit to it either so kudos to a patient horse who wondered why the idiot had been dumped on his back.

Still totally fascinated by the BMX tricks. Bonkers.

Oh yes I've definitely been in that position as well

 

[Burnttoast]

With endless time like the classical bunch have because it’s about the purity of the training then this is correct because it’s not about competition and needing to do set movements in a set pattern like a GP test. The reality in a fast paced GP test this isn’t so feasible so the change is done with weight in seatbones and backed up with leg.

Also quite interesting that you distinguish between 'purity' of training and what's required for competition. I guess we do all accept that competitive dressage ceased to be anything other than quite grubby a long while back, though.