rextherobber
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I just meant, he's not shut up in the barn all day, he is at least outside - turnout doesn't seem a priority with her anyway, so it could be worse. I totally agree pts is the kindest thing for him.
this is just about the most arrogant piece I have read in a long time.
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meleeka
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He hasn’t been in the pen since January as far as I can tell because of bandages and has been hand grazed for 1-2 hours instead, so still 22 hours stood in the barn.
suestowford
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Do you think this old horse does have Cushings? I know it makes them prone to infections & laminitis, so perhaps he does. I would hope that a horse owned by a vet would have at least been tested for it.
I am lucky enough to use a brilliant equine vet and I think if I'd had this horse, our vet would have suggested that it was probably time to let him go. But it is very difficult to face up to that when there's so much history there. I had a pony for nearly 20 years and had to decide between colic surgery and pts not that long ago, and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done.
I am lucky enough to use a brilliant equine vet and I think if I'd had this horse, our vet would have suggested that it was probably time to let him go. But it is very difficult to face up to that when there's so much history there. I had a pony for nearly 20 years and had to decide between colic surgery and pts not that long ago, and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done.
AandK
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It’s so hard to let go of our beloved oldies, but if he were mine, I would be saying goodbye, quality of life for the horse trumps my attachment, no questions.
I had a similar dilemma with my 26yo last year, I decided against an op to remove what had become a large tumour on his head. I couldn’t let his last months be ones with vet visits, more discomfort and restrictions. I let him go with the sun on his back and me telling him how much I loved him.
I’m also not a fan of fund raisers for vet bills, doesn’t sit right with me. I’m shocked how many have donated already… As someone else said, just because we can, doesn’t mean we should.
I had a similar dilemma with my 26yo last year, I decided against an op to remove what had become a large tumour on his head. I couldn’t let his last months be ones with vet visits, more discomfort and restrictions. I let him go with the sun on his back and me telling him how much I loved him.
I’m also not a fan of fund raisers for vet bills, doesn’t sit right with me. I’m shocked how many have donated already… As someone else said, just because we can, doesn’t mean we should.
meleeka
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The subject of cushings is why I really dislike her page. She doesn’t believe in Prascend and says that symptoms can be controlled by clipping and restricting grass and cushings doesnt cause laminitis anyway. I felt that post was incredibly misleading and irresponsible, especially coming from a vet. You’d hope she’d have tested him for it, but who knows.
suestowford
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I have another here who has been on Prascend for 8 years. He had raging hormone levels at diagnosis but Prascend has kept all of that under control since then. He'd be dead without it.
I've no time for a vet who would dismiss such a life-saving medicine.
I've no time for a vet who would dismiss such a life-saving medicine.
lizziebell
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The whole debacle with Harry doesn’t sit right with me. She posted a series a couple of years ago about the right time to say goodbye to your horse, and the pts options available to owners, and it was a well articulated piece of writing. She’s also posted a few times about “doing the right thing” for your horse and not by you. Yet she’s doing the complete opposite with Harry of what she was advocating and preaching to her flock!
NinjaPony
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Wtf, what kind of vet is telling people that Cushings doesn’t need prascend? That is mad and really dangerous. Does she actually understand what Cushings is and how it works? I feel sorry for her horse.
Mrs. Jingle
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Is this (the Go fund me begging posts) ethical for a practising vet to do? I appreciate that she didn't actually set it up herself but she is 'incredibly' grateful for all the donations. I bet she is! Her posts about the horse previous to the Go Fund me fiasco were giving enough hints to her followers that she wanted someone else to fund his treatment, all the sycophantic posts about donating to her fund had me cringing with embarrassment on behalf of her cult followers.
I would have far more sympathy if she practiced what she has preached in the past and has the poor old horse PTS. What a horrible woman she is. So narcissistic.
I would have far more sympathy if she practiced what she has preached in the past and has the poor old horse PTS. What a horrible woman she is. So narcissistic. nutjob
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If I were rich enough to own 7 horses and my own land / stables I would be totally humiliated to beg for money from people who are probably less well off than she is but live within their means. If someone set one up for me - and I've had vet bills which make your eyes water - I wouldn't accept it. I'd rather get a loan, sell stuff and stop spending on luxuries like arena hires etc. Begging should be for people as a last resort who don't have food, shelter etc. Then again, more fool those who want to fund someone else's luxury lifestyle instead of donating to more worthy causes.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Surely sharing the link for the go fund me appeal on her business FB page is breaching her professional guidelines? But of course, she absolutely wouldn’t set one up for herself, but as someone has been so kind as to set one up for her…
Currently the sum raised is £2585. That poor old horse should have been let go long ago.
I absolutely wouldn’t ever do one of these, and Harry will have surgery and everything he needs, regardless…..but one of my incredibly kind followers asked to set up a page, and several people asked, so here it is.
No hate or nastiness, please; this wasn’t my idea, and of course I will pay for everything and anything he needs, as I’ve chosen to keep all of my oldies, so they are my responsibility!
But I couldn’t not share this when someone has taken time out of their evening to set it up, and obviously every little helps. I truly don’t expect anyone to donate, and I promise to post some more interesting vet stuff in return, and less Mabel spam
Currently the sum raised is £2585. That poor old horse should have been let go long ago.
I absolutely wouldn’t ever do one of these, and Harry will have surgery and everything he needs, regardless…..but one of my incredibly kind followers asked to set up a page, and several people asked, so here it is.
No hate or nastiness, please; this wasn’t my idea, and of course I will pay for everything and anything he needs, as I’ve chosen to keep all of my oldies, so they are my responsibility!
But I couldn’t not share this when someone has taken time out of their evening to set it up, and obviously every little helps. I truly don’t expect anyone to donate, and I promise to post some more interesting vet stuff in return, and less Mabel spam
TheMule
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She should have (and still could) said 'Thank you so much, it's really kind, but I can fund his treatment myself therefore I'll be passing any money raised onto xxxx charity to help horses in actual need'
paddy555
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I do remember the post you refer to meleeka. I looked it up at the time and I don't know if she is necessarily wrong. I suspect she was basing her comments on the link below, scroll down to "discussion"
I'm sure there are many different views on this and I am not defending nor agreeing with her just saying I guess this is what her comments are based on. I could be wrong.
If I was her and had that view then I would be TRH testing,, especially as she is a vet and it would be easy for her to do. Perhaps she already has. I don't suppose anyone dare ask as they will simply be deleted from here page.
if certainly made mine prone to infections. The prascend was almost cheaper than the antibiotics of which he demanded a double dose
I agree about history etc etc and I am certainly not over zealous at PTS but I think the time came for Harry quit a while ago very sadly.
Off the topic of Harry but I do wonder now if one of the younger ones went down with colic and would have a very good chance with surgery. That would be 10k or so. What would she do for money then? She seems to have several horses and, on the face of it, little means to pay for specialist vet bills. Alternatively why worry when her "followers" will cough up.
cauda equina
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Indeed!
I wonder what it feels like to be one of her clients, faced with a big bill from her - will they get out the begging bowl too?
Mrs. Jingle
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I bet she wouldn't even consider instalment payments for any clients, let alone wait while they set up a Go Fund me page.
Upthecreek
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What she is doing is morally wrong in so many ways. I do not know how a practicing vet with their own yard and 7 horses, can accept donations towards a vet bill for a horse that has already been through so much treatment. Very sad.
misst
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It is hard to let an oldie go - but FFS surely she can see it is time. Our 27 year old girl had cushings for a few years. She did get laminitis eventually. She lived to eat and hated being on her own. She was "locked" in her field shelter so she could have over the fence visits from our youngster and see all the others. She had a massive bed in the field shelter and soaked hay. She broke out overnight on week 3 (she was brilliant at escaping stables, fields, anything!). She ate the grass in the field and was worse again of course. Back in the shelter for a few weeks then turned onto a small dirt patch in front - got worse. PTS same day - 27, lived to eat, wanted company, had cushings - it is a no brainer. It was awful for us but she had 2 hours of lush grass after 4 bute. She was so happy. It was early summer (June) and it was warm. What more does an old horse need? How can a vet who owns an old horse and says "my oldies are my responsibility" not see this. What is she keeping him for? It will happen again, and again, and again........
meleeka
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I do remember the post you refer to meleeka. I looked it up at the time and I don't know if she is necessarily wrong. I suspect she was basing her comments on the link below, scroll down to "discussion"
I'm sure there are many different views on this and I am not defending nor agreeing with her just saying I guess this is what her comments are based on. I could be wrong.
If I was her and had that view then I would be TRH testing,, especially as she is a vet and it would be easy for her to do. Perhaps she already has. I don't suppose anyone dare ask as they will simply be deleted from here page.
if certainly made mine prone to infections. The prascend was almost cheaper than the antibiotics of which he demanded a double dose
I agree about history etc etc and I am certainly not over zealous at PTS but I think the time came for Harry quit a while ago very sadly.
Off the topic of Harry but I do wonder now if one of the younger ones went down with colic and would have a very good chance with surgery. That would be 10k or so. What would she do for money then? She seems to have several horses and, on the face of it, little means to pay for specialist vet bills. Alternatively why worry when her "followers" will cough up.
Yes that’s what she was saying, which wasn’t necessarily wrong, but misleading to her followers who didn’t bother looking at the research and just took what she said. There were many comments from those who hadn’t even tried Prascend, because of horror stories, the cost, or those that just couldn’t be bothered, feeling perfectly justified.
Chianti
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This is so wrong on so many levels. If you start by looking at the horse, his past medical history, present quality of life and likely future, then that's bad enough. In these circumstances you have to ask yourself ' Who am I doing this for?' I think the answer in this case would be she's doing it for herself. Then there's the whole ethical aspect of someone who looks like she lives a very affluent lifestyle- multiple horses, nice yard, plenty of time to compete- when others would be working - and she's quite happy to take money from people who very probably are in a worse financial situation than her but who have been guilt tripped into donating. If she loves the old boy so much then sell one of the youngsters or sell her transport - I would imagine that would more than pay the vet's bills. I didn't have a very high opinion of her before but this is appalling. I hate these things. I knew someone whose mare had a foal. The foal got ill and had to go into hospital. Like this case a friend set up a JustGiving page for the vet's bills and the contributions soon mounted up. The owner was having a dressage saddle hand made at the time, had a trailer, and only worked part time but couldn't raise the money for the vet's bill. I suppose there are people who can live with themselves whatever they do as long as they can get what they want.
paddy555
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I'm afraid that is exactly what you get with a cult. We saw the same thing with Strasser. She was a vet therefore she was right.
Natalie says somewhere as a thank you she will post more articles however you can obtain that sort of info from most vet's pages. You can obtain a lot more from specialised papers or places like UC Davis etc.
If is really up to her cult followers if they are too thick to research their questions properly. Also if they want to give money to maintain their place in the cult.
Yes horses will suffer, Horses suffered with the Strasser cult as most didn't question her, horses suffered and people told a lot of lies. Horses may well suffer if they don't get prascend because of what a vet says. .
Miss_Millie
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This is incredibly messed up. Go Fund Me exists to support people who are in genuine need, due to an unexpected accident, tragedy etc. Not a vet on a big salary with her own yard, who can afford to go competing and own multiple horses. Who literally said herself that she would be paying for the treatment regardless, e.g. she can afford it without a fundraiser - so why allow it to happen?
Why/how did people know that she was selling her haygain to fund the treatment? Makes it sound like she was digging for 'support' from her fans?
Everything about this seems very unethical to me.
Why/how did people know that she was selling her haygain to fund the treatment? Makes it sound like she was digging for 'support' from her fans?
Everything about this seems very unethical to me.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
she stated on her post re. what she was going to do with him post CT
'I’ll be selling off some bits to fund this, and my beautiful Haygain (in immaculate condition/looks new) will be the first to go, if anyone is looking….send a PM if so!'
'I’ll be selling off some bits to fund this, and my beautiful Haygain (in immaculate condition/looks new) will be the first to go, if anyone is looking….send a PM if so!'
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
It’s from another post on her professional FB page.
Despite not actually currently having the funds, I cannot put money into the decision of whether he has one more chance at life.
I’ll be selling off some bits to fund this, and my beautiful Haygain (in immaculate condition/looks new) will be the first to go, if anyone is looking….send a PM if so!
teapot
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Can you sell something that was donated to you through formal sponsorship?
Crazy_cat_lady
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Why are people donating to it???
Sounds like it's time to PTS - it says this is their final try, what will happen to the funds of those that donated if that decision is made?
Also they've upped the target, so what will happen to the excess?
It says she was going to sell some stuff, she's got enough sponsorship stuff she could sell if she's struggling that much
Sounds like it's time to PTS - it says this is their final try, what will happen to the funds of those that donated if that decision is made?
Also they've upped the target, so what will happen to the excess?
It says she was going to sell some stuff, she's got enough sponsorship stuff she could sell if she's struggling that much
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
With a piece of kit of that value I would expect it to have been loaned not gifted. i think the company has gone bust meanwhile. She may need to be careful that the administrators don't knock the door wanting it back.
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Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Haygain went into administration in January this year.
If she owns the hay steamer outright, then of course it is hers to sell. If it was loaned to her as part of a sponsorship deal from a company that is in administration then that’s trickier as to whose property it currently is.
If she owns the hay steamer outright, then of course it is hers to sell. If it was loaned to her as part of a sponsorship deal from a company that is in administration then that’s trickier as to whose property it currently is.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
because she gives them so much, apparently.
Miss_Millie
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You would be surprised at the incredibly expensive items companies will give to to 'influencers' - they probably saw her big social media following and made an agreement that they would gift it to her if she said in a post or two how great it was and encouraged other people to purchase one.
There are actually strict transparency rules under the ASA about advertising on social media, but it seems quite prevalent that people will advertise gifted items without stating that it is a paid partnership or gifted/sponsored.
I'm not sure in her case if she bought it herself or if they gave it to her.
teapot
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There was a dedicated post in July 23 showing what the company had 'provided' her with - provided being her choice of word.