Mule
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The old adage, look before you leap - although perhaps not on HHO whereby judging by these posts here, very few know anything about either breed.
ETA: The Spanish & Portuguese horses are probably the original "dressage" horse. What you see in competition nowadays may be getting the modern marks but it's very untrue to say that "Andalusians can't do dressage" - and yes they CAN extend - it's about the training, nothing to do with the breed. Next thing people will be spouting nonsense such as they can't jump!
To be fair, posters were saying this in the context of British Dressage which prioritises extension before collection - even at low levels you are asked to show extended strides but never collected strides. In this context, a horse that finds extension harder is likely to be marked lower than a horse who finds it easy. Were the system different, the result would be different. I don't think it's nonsense to say that Andalusians/PREs find collection harder than extension. Yes you can train them to improve it, but if a poster asks us about our opinions on the suitability of a breed for modern dressage then it is hardly surprising that this natural trait is mentioned. Andalusians/PREs can be fabulous horses, can be schooled to an extremely high level but their natural action is not prioritised for dressage.
As a mare owner I can honestly say having a stallion around would piss the hell out of me.
Makes it hard for people around you, I imagine especially so at a livery yard.
But hey if you have your own land go for it?
Out of interest why not get a mare? They are wonderful! Some can be mareish but if you put the work in and take the time to forge a bond you have a partner who will work to the death for you. (Unless they're in season, which can be a pain with some female equines, so it's worth asking about that when you go to view a horse - ask to see their feed room, if there's a supplement geared towards calming mareish mares you can guess the horse is a pain, regardless of what the owner says).
So was I if you read my post correctly - you are wrong though about extension -if anything iberians "generally" find it EASIER to collect and harder to extend. That though is a myth... have you been to a breed show?
Their natural action IS prioritised for true dressage.
and as the owner of a stallion your attitude stinks.
ive trained my boy not to misbehave, to keep his brain between his ears and concentrate on me.................you can just do the same with your mare
i dont like mares for my own horses and dont enjoy training them, i much prefer geldings and stallions....my choice.
and as for the comment that having 2 stallions together is a death wish.......also not true. I teach a young girl who has 4 stallions and 1 mare on the same yard with zero problems. Boys are fine together in general as long as you dont put them in a situation where they can fight over a girl.
none of that is really relevant to the OP, the hysterical attitude to testicles just drives me up the wall!
and as the owner of a stallion your attitude stinks.
ive trained my boy not to misbehave, to keep his brain between his ears and concentrate on me.................you can just do the same with your mare
i dont like mares for my own horses and dont enjoy training them, i much prefer geldings and stallions....my choice.
and as for the comment that having 2 stallions together is a death wish.......also not true. I teach a young girl who has 4 stallions and 1 mare on the same yard with zero problems. Boys are fine together in general as long as you dont put them in a situation where they can fight over a girl.
none of that is really relevant to the OP, the hysterical attitude to testicles just drives me up the wall!
My ideal horse is a PRE because when you walk into a warm up ring your horse doesn't look the same as the average warmblood. They have a certain presence when they are in a room, I love the way they move and always have done ( i have wanted a PRE Andalusian since I was about 3) I like how they have history about being cavalry horses and bullfighters. They are a breed of horse that beauty is not only skin deep in them they have beautiful minds and personalities as well, This is why I would love to have an Andalusian horseI'm glad you said that. Stallions tend to be demonised unfairly.
OP you might want to change your user name. It took me 30 seconds to find a fair bit of information about you, and at 13, you need to be a bit smarter with your internet use.
Are none of your current horses suitable? Your grey looks to be a lovely horse. Why do you want a PRE? It might be that lots of horses will fill your criteria without the sharpness and hang ups that some PREs come with.
and as the owner of a stallion your attitude stinks.
ive trained my boy not to misbehave, to keep his brain between his ears and concentrate on me.................you can just do the same with your mare
i dont like mares for my own horses and dont enjoy training them, i much prefer geldings and stallions....my choice.
and as for the comment that having 2 stallions together is a death wish.......also not true. I teach a young girl who has 4 stallions and 1 mare on the same yard with zero problems. Boys are fine together in general as long as you dont put them in a situation where they can fight over a girl.
none of that is really relevant to the OP, the hysterical attitude to testicles just drives me up the wall!
and as the owner of a stallion your attitude stinks.
ive trained my boy not to misbehave, to keep his brain between his ears and concentrate on me.................you can just do the same with your mare
i dont like mares for my own horses and dont enjoy training them, i much prefer geldings and stallions....my choice.
and as for the comment that having 2 stallions together is a death wish.......also not true. I teach a young girl who has 4 stallions and 1 mare on the same yard with zero problems. Boys are fine together in general as long as you dont put them in a situation where they can fight over a girl.
none of that is really relevant to the OP, the hysterical attitude to testicles just drives me up the wall!
My attitude doesn't stink - the only stallion I've tried to ride/work my horses around was a complete *******, made doing anything with my girls impossible, the owner specifically requested that i stop lunging so she could ride past(!), in fairness I think it was young but rider could not control it properly, and if OP is really 13 surely they won't be able to either? Particularly a big fit dressage stallion??
My attitude doesn't stink - the only stallion I've tried to ride/work my horses around was a complete *******, made doing anything with my girls impossible, the owner specifically requested that i stop lunging so she could ride past(!), in fairness I think it was young but rider could not control it properly, and if OP is really 13 surely they won't be able to either? Particularly a big fit dressage stallion??
and as for the comment that having 2 stallions together is a death wish.......also not true. I teach a young girl who has 4 stallions and 1 mare on the same yard with zero problems. Boys are fine together in general as long as you dont put them in a situation where they can fight over a girl.
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That was me - but you misread the post, i didn't say it was a deathwish, it was a practicality comment from experience with very well trained stallions and experienced handlers, i said what would you do if two stallions decided to go for each other, knowing that the OP is 13, and doesn't always have adults on yard (correct me if i'm wrong).
OP i think you seem very sensible and experienced for your age, and i know this sounds patronising, it really isn't meant to be, but you are only 13, don't go for a PRE stallion right now, gelding by all means, they still come with heaps of presence. There are so many other options, hold fire for a few more years. I totally get why you like them, i love them too, for their presence, sensitivity and agility. I hope you find what you are looking for!
School exams aren't for another two years and I understand about the whole boys things but I'm not really that eligible for a boyfriend anytime soon lol I'm not really part of the 'popular crowd' I understand what you are saying tho. I want to be a riding instructor so my life will always be geared around horses.I posted earlier in this thread as the owner of a PRE. I also own a TB and a WB.
Op, you are obviously doing well, but I think most posters have advised caution to you for good reasons.
Playing Devils Advocate here, but you have school exams, then more major exams, not to mention boys, which usually means all interest in horses lost. You need to get past all these major life milestones before you even consider causing your parents greater expense of a horse you probably don't need. At 13, you can't yet be that honest with yourself so others will do it for you.
Edited to add all credibility you may have had has gone IMHO in your previous post regarding "you buying it" and metal poles.