Casey76
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That should be captioned “the two faces of Olympic SJ”Is it just me or does it look like this horse has worn it’s teeth away ?
That should be captioned “the two faces of Olympic SJ”Is it just me or does it look like this horse has worn it’s teeth away ?
She willfully and repeatedly abused a horse on live television for ego. And then had a temper tantrum and took that temper out on the horse. She deserves to be held up and called an abuser.Of course they don't have the right to behave like this and tbh I don't think there's anyone on here would suggest that they do but humans are not machines either. We make mistakes, we let our emotions get the better of us, we are flawed, fortunately most of us never have the experience of making a massive mistake or mess of things which is recorded and there on the internet for all to see forever. I can't imagine the anguish that this young woman must be feeling, she can't go back and do things differently and she is the subject of a lot of media attention and as you say in your post she will be judged! Regardless of how anyone else feels, I feel very sad for her but that does not mean I condone abusive behaviour towards any animal, in "Oldies world" the two things are not mutually exclusive.
Of course they don't have the right to behave like this and tbh I don't think there's anyone on here would suggest that they do but humans are not machines either. We make mistakes, we let our emotions get the better of us, we are flawed, fortunately most of us never have the experience of making a massive mistake or mess of things which is recorded and there on the internet for all to see forever. I can't imagine the anguish that this young woman must be feeling, she can't go back and do things differently and she is the subject of a lot of media attention and as you say in your post she will be judged! Regardless of how anyone else feels, I feel very sad for her but that does not mean I condone abusive behaviour towards any animal, in "Oldies world" the two things are not mutually exclusive.
A medal isn't worth the safety of both horse and rider in the slightest.
the armchair judges are acting as if all the riders were terrible
Non equestrians are up in arms about horses in the Olympics again- ......... It deeply saddens me how no matter what, horses will never truly be accepted as a qualifying sport to the general public. All they see is the exclusiveness of it.
Of course they don't have the right to behave like this and tbh I don't think there's anyone on here would suggest that they do but humans are not machines either. We make mistakes, we let our emotions get the better of us, we are flawed, fortunately most of us never have the experience of making a massive mistake or mess of things which is recorded and there on the internet for all to see forever. I can't imagine the anguish that this young woman must be feeling, she can't go back and do things differently and she is the subject of a lot of media attention and as you say in your post she will be judged! Regardless of how anyone else feels, I feel very sad for her but that does not mean I condone abusive behaviour towards any animal, in "Oldies world" the two things are not mutually exclusive.
How many riders being predictably terrible year after year are you prepared to accept? My own answer to that is zero. This competition is set up time after time knowing some horses will be abused (deliberately or accidentally) by less than capable riders. We don't, imo, have the right to plan to treat sentient beings that way, still less display it as world class sport, to millions.
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tbf i didn't see temper, i saw complete anguish in that athlete's face, from her posture and body language she appeared to be crying in desperation not in anger, she patted the horse at the end. the coach, i rewatched it and to me it was the coach appeared to be feeling something different. I thought the athlete looked pretty broken, she came into the arena looking defeated and carried on like that, she didn't look like she was losing her temper to me, losing her grip mentally, yes.
You are acting as if MP equestrian phase is the only equestrian olympic sport that has had mishaps.
I don't call it "mishaps" to give people 20 minutes to ride a horse they don't know before jumping 1m 20, when year after year it produces the same result. Honest horses abused for trying their best with riders who are not up to the task.
It's completely unnecessary. You can't win show jumping gold without show jumping. But the modern pentathlon is supposed to be a test of horsemanship and there are a million and one other ways to test that without socking a horse in the teeth over a fence because the rider is being carried as an ineffective passenger.
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Yes, I think they need to lower the jumps, or put in a different type of test for them (equitation or dressage) for it, but you glossed over the main point of my message about everything needs to be better and up to par, including MP. You are looking to bait arguments, as you've been on many pages of this thread with the same points. We hear you, many of us do agree to an extent already.
I'm going to move on as I've already expressed my points to you. Let's agree to disagree. Cheers.
Have you guys read this?
https://www.uipmworld.org/news/uipm...-welfare-and-athlete-safety-modern-pentathlon
At least concerns have been noted, what action eventually will be taken, who knows!
Have you guys read this?
https://www.uipmworld.org/news/uipm...-welfare-and-athlete-safety-modern-pentathlon
At least concerns have been noted, what action eventually will be taken, who knows!
I completely agreeWhen I saw that this morning I thought:
1. You’ve had decades to sort this out and you haven’t, and the current review has nothing to do with the main issue of horse welfare so don’t pretend otherwise and
2. If you are claiming that these athletes are at the top level of their sport, yet clearly so many are not at the standard required to jump a strange horse over a 1.20m course, then you have a funny idea of what top level means.
tbf i didn't see temper, i saw complete anguish in that athlete's face, from her posture and body language she appeared to be crying in desperation not in anger, she patted the horse at the end. the coach, i rewatched it and to me it was the coach appeared to be feeling something different. I thought the athlete looked pretty broken, she came into the arena looking defeated and carried on like that, she didn't look like she was losing her temper to me, losing her grip mentally, yes.
for the avoidance of doubt, since it seems like anything less than furious condemnation is taken to be taken as enthusiastic MP flag waving support, no, i don't think it should continue in its present form and no i don't condone horse abuse and no i wouldn't let anyone use my horses for it
As has previously been shown by many equestrians at the Olympics this year including 2 on the British team.
These so called pentathletes need to take a leaf out of a regular equestrians book.
The statement is making many of the right noises, isn't it. But will it be followed up by tangible improvements wrt to the equestrian angle?
UIPM OFFICIAL STATEMENT: HORSE WELFARE AND ATHLETE SAFETY IN MODERN PENTATHLON
The unpredictability of athletes riding on unfamiliar drawn horses, with only 20 minutes to establish an understanding, is part of the dramatic spectacle that makes Modern Pentathlon unique and compelling.
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They could start by eliminating anyone who falls off and anyone who gets 3 refusals. Disallowing the use of spurs and enforcing much stronger whip rules.The only thing I can realistically think of to do to improve riding in MP across the board would be to increase the amount of points on offer for it, or add in bonus points for style of riding, to make the riding phase more influential so that those not from the horsey backgrounds originally need to improve to be within a chance of being competitive.
Once mounted the count down begins. It is only permitted to change a horse after this if it is deemed lame by the officials. Nothing about if the horse is performing very poorly in the warm up arena or if it is getting upset or agitated.
Confirming that the horse is merely a tool, another piece of equipment.
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