Thundering
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If you read the original post I think some of you might see you are making up your own versions.
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Upthecreek
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Angry, impulsive, irresponsible. Personally I would not call them mentally unstable, loony or nutter. But that’s just my opinion.
Sossigpoker
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You could take her to small claims court for the damage, it just might not go in your favour. Receiving the court paperwork often gets people to pay what they own anyway.
So if you're prepared for the fact that you might not win , you could of course follow this path.
So if you're prepared for the fact that you might not win , you could of course follow this path.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
That's how people get away with doing bad things to others.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Sandstone I've been in court where a woman was charged with stabbing the tires on the car of someone she had a dispute with. There was CCTV. It was dark and she kept her face covered. It was almost certain that it was her, but it wasn't beyond reasonable doubt. She was found not guilty. If the police won't pursue this please do not sue this woman, your level of proof as you've written about it here is nowhere near enough to win the case.
And please don't carry out any counter actions of your own, the best you can achieve is to give her the satisfaction of knowing how much she has upset you, and the worst will be to find yourself in court for harassment.
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And please don't carry out any counter actions of your own, the best you can achieve is to give her the satisfaction of knowing how much she has upset you, and the worst will be to find yourself in court for harassment.
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Sandstone1
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Thank you, I have actually calmed down a little now! Dont worry I am not stupid enough to do anything back to her and bring myself down to her level. As it turns out there is a strong possibility that there is indeed some cctv. Its just going to depend on if its clear enough. The police are getting back to me later in the week so time will tell. I do hope if shes is on here and reads this she is at least sorry for her actions. Clearly something wrong with a person for reacting to one well deserved comment with vandalism.
I hope shes proud of herself and probably thinks shes got away with. Well as it turns out there is now a very good chance she has not.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
But if you read the first thread the woman didn't actually do anything to OP, she happened to have several small noisy dogs on leads in the same place/time as OP was walking her dogs. This is a saga of escalating annoyance and retaliation. I hope OP is sensible enough to walk away at this point, rather than continuing the escalation spiral.
equinerebel
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Unfortunately, that is circumstantial evidence at best. Unless you have direct proof, she cannot be prosecuted or found guilty of any crime committed against you or your property.
If you have CCTV of the crime however, then you may have a case. However, legal fees are likely to be above your excess.
Sorry this happened to you.
skinnydipper
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Sandstone said they were growling and snarling and pulling towards her dogs.
I think she did well to get her dogs to focus on her when they were being threatened by several aggressive dogs.
A person might be reassured that they were small dogs on a lead but it doesn't follow that a dog would and could instinctively defend themselves against the aggressive dog(s).
ETA. Whether reactive or aggressive dogs, small dogs or large, on a lead or not, it is really not very nice for the target dog
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windswoo
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Sandstone I've only said what I said because I've been in your situation.
There was a motorcyclist on the road driving really aggressively undertaking people and pulling wheelies - basically being a complete arse. He went to turn right and as I went past him I papped my horn at him. Big mistake - he turned the bike around and started following me up the road. I knew I was in trouble and with heading down the yard I really didn't want him following me there. Anyway we got to some lights and I had to stop, so he got off the bike and smashed in my passenger side window and then drove off.
Other people at the lights helped me out and even got a photo of the registration plate, but when I sent it to the police it was fake, so he knew he could get away with it.
I hope you do get the proof you need to be able to get the police to charge her - it just shows you do have to be careful what you say to people these days as sometimes it can quickly escalate.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
But if the dogs are not on an especially narrow path, are on leads and don't get loose from their handler, they are at worst mildly annoying to passersby and their dogs. OP actually said "if my dogs had got loose". Well that is her responsibility to guard against, not the other dog walker's.
I wouldn't have been impressed by the other walker's skills but it wouldn't have been any of my business and I wouldn't have commented, that could only have been expected to inflame the situation. Which does not mean that I agree with the other person's actions if indeed it was she who keyed the car.
Sandstone1
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It was a narrow path. The dogs were being horrible. Some of them on double leads. She was struggling to hold on to them. I .ade one comment. I was not rude or nasty and I am perfectly entitled to protect my dogs.
Even if I had been rude and nasty to her ( which I was not) The fact that she took it upon herself to damage someone else's property shows the mindset of her. She's a mother too. I wonder at the ethics she teaches her child if that's how she deals with criticism.
If you know anything about dogs a group like that would act as a pack and piled on mine had they got loose.
A lot of you are reading between the lines and making up your own stories.
Dogs are dogs whatever the size and should be under control and not causing any issue to .anyone else.
Even if I had been rude and nasty to her ( which I was not) The fact that she took it upon herself to damage someone else's property shows the mindset of her. She's a mother too. I wonder at the ethics she teaches her child if that's how she deals with criticism.
If you know anything about dogs a group like that would act as a pack and piled on mine had they got loose.
A lot of you are reading between the lines and making up your own stories.
Dogs are dogs whatever the size and should be under control and not causing any issue to .anyone else.
Sandstone1
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This is a woman in her 50s. She has children and is horsey. Had my dogs behaved the way hers did to mine I would have expected a comment to be made.
Because they are small it's supposed to be funny if the behave like that.
It's not long since a dog walker was killed walking a pack of small dogs.
Because they are small it's supposed to be funny if the behave like that.
It's not long since a dog walker was killed walking a pack of small dogs.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I know plenty about dogs in a group we have regularly walked up to 9 dogs altogether (at least 3 people). Why the fact that some of the dogs were on double leads, is relevant I do not know.
And I am sorry but I think it was rude of you to comment rather than concentrating on your own dogs. If her dogs had got loose or one of them had touched one of your dogs while on lead, that would have been a different matter. But as I have said I do not condone her alleged action either.
stormox
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It's all circumstantial. There is no concrete evidence to prove it was the lady with the dogs. Police won't do anything on a he says/she says case....you need impartial witnesses.
Sandstone1
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Oh. None of you were there so you don't know exactly what happened.
Double leads.... this meant she had two dogs on one lead meaning she had the strength of two dogs on one lead to cope with. I think four were on double leads. There were at least two if not 3 other dogs on single long leads which she was tripping over. All of the dogs were gobbing off at my dogs. Pulling towards them growling. My dogs were on.lead sitting by me looking at me as they have been taught to do. Her dogs were showing a lot of threatening aggressive behaviour. All that was said to.her was this. You should not walk so.many if you can't control them. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. She did without doubt 100% do the damage. There is now a strong possibility of cctv footage. As I had forgotten that the footpath joins on to somewhere that has cctv for security as its a type of un manned power station.
For some reason a few on here seem to.be determined to blame me. I would guess they are people who have rude snappy dogs.
I know what happened. I was there. The police are investigating and with any luck we will get cctv. If not then at some point I will come across her.
I do not need to justify myself any more.
I guess there is also the possibility that she's reading this too....
I have no more to say about it.
It's stressful enough as it is without having to defend myself from a load of strangers who think they know better.
I know plenty about dogs body language and have no doubt those dogs meant business.
I really do not care if you think I was wrong. I was there you were not. End of. Om logging out for a while as I've had enough.
Double leads.... this meant she had two dogs on one lead meaning she had the strength of two dogs on one lead to cope with. I think four were on double leads. There were at least two if not 3 other dogs on single long leads which she was tripping over. All of the dogs were gobbing off at my dogs. Pulling towards them growling. My dogs were on.lead sitting by me looking at me as they have been taught to do. Her dogs were showing a lot of threatening aggressive behaviour. All that was said to.her was this. You should not walk so.many if you can't control them. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. She did without doubt 100% do the damage. There is now a strong possibility of cctv footage. As I had forgotten that the footpath joins on to somewhere that has cctv for security as its a type of un manned power station.
For some reason a few on here seem to.be determined to blame me. I would guess they are people who have rude snappy dogs.
I know what happened. I was there. The police are investigating and with any luck we will get cctv. If not then at some point I will come across her.
I do not need to justify myself any more.
I guess there is also the possibility that she's reading this too....
I have no more to say about it.
It's stressful enough as it is without having to defend myself from a load of strangers who think they know better.
I know plenty about dogs body language and have no doubt those dogs meant business.
I really do not care if you think I was wrong. I was there you were not. End of. Om logging out for a while as I've had enough.
Goldenstar
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There’s no need for high legal costs of Op thinks she has enough proof and the police / cps don’t proceed it can done in the small claims court .
equinerebel
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Right, but the original post suggests they don’t have direct evidence, just circumstantial.
Sossigpoker
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As I said before, nothing stops you from pursuing your costs through the small claims court and if you get some CCTV footage as well , she might be worried enough to pay up.
I've won in small claims court with much less evidence (someone owed us money ) . 9/10 sending them a letter stating you will take them to court is enough to get people to pay up.
equinerebel
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It’s absolutely someone’s right, it’s just not something I would personally advise without CCTV. CCTV would change my opinion on this case - I hope OP gets it!
minesadouble
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The way I'm reading the situation is that OP wants the personal satisfaction of a criminal conviction rather than financial recompense for the damage.
I suspect the former result is unlikely.
I suspect the former result is unlikely.
Hormonal Filly
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Can you PM me what area of the country this is in?
We have a local horsey lady with several dogs, shes been to court for trying to ram horses off the road before and tried to hit my partner on a walk because we asked her to control her dogs (ours on a lead, hers off a lead, out of control, no recall and trying to attack our dogs on a lead) although she does have a long criminal record so I’m doubting it’s her. She would certainly do something like this!
We have a local horsey lady with several dogs, shes been to court for trying to ram horses off the road before and tried to hit my partner on a walk because we asked her to control her dogs (ours on a lead, hers off a lead, out of control, no recall and trying to attack our dogs on a lead) although she does have a long criminal record so I’m doubting it’s her. She would certainly do something like this!
Lois Lame
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Lois Lame
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How frightening and awful. The woman is clearly a nutter and best kept away from. Sounds like it's the same one.
TGM
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Although the dog walker had several small dogs with her, it has been reported that she was actually killed by her own American XL Bully. Quote from the Guardian: "Natasha Johnston, a 28 year-old dog walker, was mauled to death while walking eight dogs in Surrey in January. One of the dogs, an American bully XL that Johnston owned, was found to be responsible for her death after a forensic veterinary report and was subsequently euthanised."
SDMabel
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Without repeating too much what has already been said, even with potential CCTV - unless its very very clear and she is clearly identifiable without any doubt you will not get a conviction.
Speaking from experience (not myself but an ex partner ) it turned into a long drawn out process , that ended up getting no where and only dragging out the frustration.
Personally if the CCTV isn't crystal clear I would just go through my insurance, and have my phone on hand for future walks to capture her behaviour and the dogs to give to the police/dog warden.
Speaking from experience (not myself but an ex partner ) it turned into a long drawn out process , that ended up getting no where and only dragging out the frustration.
Personally if the CCTV isn't crystal clear I would just go through my insurance, and have my phone on hand for future walks to capture her behaviour and the dogs to give to the police/dog warden.
Sandstone1
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Just to let you all know that I had a long conversation the other day with a very helpful Policeman. They are taking the possibility of getting cctv footage seriously , There is cctv in the area it just depends if it covers the area needed and if so if its clear. They are in the process of trying to get footage from the security firm.
If not, there is the possibility of at least a visit from the police due to the dangerous dogs act and her pack of dogs behaving in a manner to give fear and apprehension.
Time will tell.
If not, there is the possibility of at least a visit from the police due to the dangerous dogs act and her pack of dogs behaving in a manner to give fear and apprehension.
Time will tell.
AmyMay
Situation normal
Thanks for the update.
BBP
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Regardless of if it was her or some other idiot doing it for no reason, someone clearly has damaged your car and I hope you get your CCTV. Try not to get your hopes up too much as some will have a short overwrite period, so they might only retain for 7 days before the footage overwrites with new footage. Good luck.
Sandstone1
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Too be honest I will be happy with a visit from the Police so she knows she has not got away with it.