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well cheers guys due to this MASSIVE thread and me having to read the whole thing............................i've missed half of the new CSI!!!

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hairycob said:
Moosea,

Moomin is going on the description that Natalieshort has posted asking for advice - if you read the post would you really come to the conclusion that the horse was not lame? Really, honestly, truly would you not think it?
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I don't know - I haven't seen it
 
moosea said:
I suppose you were born with all knowledge then?
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No, I went to riding schools for years and attended courses, pony club (as a viewer because I didn't have my own), then got an older experienced horse which I rode UNDER THE SUPERVISION of my riding instructress (it was her horse), then I took him on full time after years of riding and looking after him UNDER her supervision. I then progressed and started competing locally, before he eventually died aged 40 years. I then had an 11 year break in horses, other than to do a degree in Equine Science, and bought my current horse two years ago.

I would have never taken on a youngster at the stage where I couldn't identify lameness or have basic knowledge of ailments.
 
Moosea - read the bl**dy description of the horses action & Natalieshorts own description of her abilitry then put your head on the block before you condemn people who take the bother
 
Moomin1 said:
No, I went to riding schools for years and attended courses, pony club (as a viewer because I didn't have my own), then got an older experienced horse which I rode UNDER THE SUPERVISION of my riding instructress (it was her horse), then I took him on full time after years of riding and looking after him UNDER her supervision. I then progressed and started competing locally, before he eventually died aged 40 years. I then had an 11 year break in horses, other than to do a degree in Equine Science, and bought my current horse two years ago.

I would have never taken on a youngster at the stage where I couldn't identify lameness or have basic knowledge of ailments.
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So you built your experience up? over time?
 
moosea said:
So you built your experience up? over time?
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That's how most people get experience yes. And I still wouldn't class myself as experienced enough to bring a youngster of that age on without a lot of other help.

I find it unbelievable people could even suggest or support the idea of someone who in their own words IS A COMPLETE NOVICE to take on a yearling/youngster, particularly one which will not have been best handled and has probably just been pulled from the field.:eek:
 
moosea said:
I can't diagnose lameness from a forum post
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You're missing the point entirely - it is not about whether the horse is lame or not - it is the point that she says she is a complete novice and doesn't know what navicular is. The whole fact that her 'experienced' friends have suggested it could be navicular and yet she ponders as to whether that requires EVEN MENTIONING to a vet is not someone who has the knowledge, IMO, to actually own any horse at her stage in time, never mind a youngster.
 
moosea said:
I don't know - I haven't seen it
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Whether the horse is lame or not is neither here nor there, the crux of the matter is that the OP is unable to tell (this by her own admission), she also said that the horse 'hopped' on one leg when she brought it in from the field, if this is the case then the lameness is pretty advanced, yet she still wondered if she should point it out to the vet! Sorry but even the most novice of people would have the common sense to know that something was not quite right, but our OP did not notice a thing until other liveries pointed it out, correction, she did notice it but thought nothing was wrong with it.

Is this really a good owner for a poorly started youngster? I think not.
 
No. She isn't lame it's an infection because of how her old owner kept her in a **** sodden stable! NOT LAME! She was an ex trotter and apparently this is what she is used to. I shouldn't even be telling all of you this because it is none of your business! I thought some of you would be decent enough to give me advice and yes some are, but not you lot! You jump at any chance to give people **** over the Internet, you need to get a life! Really boring now
 
"S'teamed cant spot a bargain when its right in front of her"

Lolling way too much at this...
I'd have several of her ponies off her before you can say 'bargain' :D
 
My horse was LAME because of a skin INFECTION. Horses can be LAME because of an abcess which is an INFECTION. Lameness is a SYMPTOM not a complaint in itself. If you don't know that it's agood job the dealer didn't turn up.
 
Natalieshort said:
No. She isn't lame it's an infection because of how her old owner kept her in a **** sodden stable! NOT LAME! She was an ex trotter and apparently this is what she is used to. I shouldn't even be telling all of you this because it is none of your business! I thought some of you would be decent enough to give me advice and yes some are, but not you lot! You jump at any chance to give people **** over the Internet, you need to get a life! Really boring now
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Natalie, the horse 'sounds' lame due to the infection. Very basically a horse is considered lame if it can not walk/trot/move 'properly' or function is limited in one or more of it's legs..... a horse can be lame for many reasons x
 
Natalieshort said:
No. She isn't lame it's an infection because of how her old owner kept her in a **** sodden stable! NOT LAME! She was an ex trotter and apparently this is what she is used to. I shouldn't even be telling all of you this because it is none of your business! I thought some of you would be decent enough to give me advice and yes some are, but not you lot! You jump at any chance to give people **** over the Internet, you need to get a life! Really boring now
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She IS lame through an infection, I see you are blaming the previous owner but have had the horse 4 months? Did you not spot she was uncomfortable before this? Does she have a punctured sole or is it thrush? Or don't you know?
 
Natalieshort said:
No. She isn't lame it's an infection because of how her old owner kept her in a **** sodden stable! NOT LAME! She was an ex trotter and apparently this is what she is used to. I shouldn't even be telling all of you this because it is none of your business! I thought some of you would be decent enough to give me advice and yes some are, but not you lot! You jump at any chance to give people **** over the Internet, you need to get a life! Really boring now
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Oh please god this gets worse.

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Moosea you said you couldn't diagnose lameness from a forum. I gave you a description of lameness that was no less clear than the description Natalieshort gave. If you really can't see that I doubt you could if it was a live horse in front of you.
 
hairycob said:
Moosea,

Moomin is going on the description that Natalieshort has posted asking for advice - if you read the post would you really come to the conclusion that the horse was not lame? Really, honestly, truly would you not think it?
And do you really think that a novive is the best person to take on a very poor baby with unkown issues? Honestly - do you realy think that is a good idea for horse or owner?
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If a novice consults a good equine vet gets an experianced person to help her with the handling then why should it be a disaster it's not the same as a novice saying I bought this thin poor six yo racehorse and I am going to retrain him it's ok because I have had a twenty year old to ride.
Handling horses is not rocket science and one thing I don't like on here is when less experianced people are ridiculed and this thread has verged on that at times Natalie may not be the most experianced HHOer but this filly needs handling the correct food a health check apporiate worming under veterinary supervision and someone to care for her .
When I was a welfare officer I saw many horses who needed a knight in shining armor they usually did not get one I became cynical in the end but I hope perhaps for this little horse there are better times ahead, and from the look of her it's not going to be worse.
 
What the hell has it got to do with you? This is making me laugh now! LOL! If you actually see my horse you wouldn't be saying all of this :) infact I should put a before and after picture up! Rub it in your faces abit! Oh and ACTUALLY "amaranta" she isn't lame through an infection I'm sure the vet has more knowledge than you ;)
 
Amaranta said:
Whether the horse is lame or not is neither here nor there, the crux of the matter is that the OP is unable to tell (this by her own admission), she also said that the horse 'hopped' on one leg when she brought it in from the field, if this is the case then the lameness is pretty advanced, yet she still wondered if she should point it out to the vet! Sorry but even the most novice of people would have the common sense to know that something was not quite right, but our OP did not notice a thing until other liveries pointed it out, correction, she did notice it but thought nothing was wrong with it.
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I've known people who've hunted three times a week that couldn't tell their horse is lame!!

The horse was 'hopping' .. but she came here, god knows why, to the largest bunch of un-supportive nasties in the horse world ... and asked for advice... to try to help her horse.

Amaranta said:
Is this really a good owner for a poorly started youngster? I think not.
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Probably not the best outcome for the filly, but possibly a little better than where she is now?
 
hairycob said:
Moosea you said you couldn't diagnose lameness from a forum. I gave you a description of lameness that was no less clear than the description Natalieshort gave. If you really can't see that I doubt you could if it was a live horse in front of you.
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Well you'd be wrong then.
 
Natalieshort said:
I don't know who the hell some of you think you are! Saying I ride my lame old horse! What a *******ing evil thing to say?! I might be a novice but I'm not freakin cruel!! Some of you are just CRUEL! Get out of your own arses and get out more, bloody boring old farts! Doing a separate thread about the little filly for the people who actually care!
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Natalieshort said:
No. She isn't lame it's an infection because of how her old owner kept her in a **** sodden stable! NOT LAME! She was an ex trotter and apparently this is what she is used to. I shouldn't even be telling all of you this because it is none of your business! I thought some of you would be decent enough to give me advice and yes some are, but not you lot! You jump at any chance to give people **** over the Internet, you need to get a life! Really boring now
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us boring old farts are the ones that usually end up picking up the pieces after stroppy teens like yourself bite off more than they can chew:rolleyes: one thing you'll find on this forum, and in the big wide world is that people will gladly give advice and support to people who bother to listen. perhaps you should take some of your own advice re head and arse !
 
Natalieshort said:
What the hell has it got to do with you? This is making me laugh now! LOL! If you actually see my horse you wouldn't be saying all of this :) infact I should put a before and after picture up! Rub it in your faces abit! Oh and ACTUALLY "amaranta" she isn't lame through an infection I'm sure the vet has more knowledge than you ;)
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So why was she 'hopping' on one leg if she was not lame to the point that the other liveries suggested navicular? Do you know where the infection is sited? Is it in her foot?
 
Goldenstar said:
If a novice consults a good equine vet gets an experianced person to help her with the handling then why should it be a disaster it's not the same as a novice saying I bought this thin poor six yo racehorse and I am going to retrain him it's ok because I have had a twenty year old to ride.
Handling horses is not rocket science and one thing I don't like on here is when less experianced people are ridiculed and this thread has verged on that at times Natalie may not be the most experianced HHOer but this filly needs handling the correct food a health check apporiate worming under veterinary supervision and someone to care for her .
When I was a welfare officer I saw many horses who needed a knight in shining armor they usually did not get one I became cynical in the end but I hope perhaps for this little horse there are better times ahead, and from the look of her it's not going to be worse.
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thank goodness someone is talking sense x
 
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