Vibes for me... Am about to get nasty and violent :(

Following on from Oberon, I do very similar. I've never beaten up my horses - they've had smacks on the shoulders and the bolshiest has had my foot in his gut before when he barged over the top of me. But I can turn around and face them, and use my 'fun is over' voice and they will all back away from me and instantly know I mean business. If I then march over to them then they'll turn tail and leg it, before creeping back over after a few minutes to try and make nice again. I am very much their leader, and I earned that without ever 'pasting' them.
 
planete said:
All these replies are really a waste of time. You cannot teach people to read horses and react right with split second timing over the internet.
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True - although it is useful for people at least to realize (if they didn't already) that split second timing is what's needed. Delayed punishment is worse than useless.
 
I really can't be bothered to read all the replies but you shouldn't have a youngster. End of.
As for psyching yourself up for a fight/beating your horse. I am pretty appalled. I have youngsters and have had bolshy, big unhandled horss too and have never had to do this.
Get yourself some professional help with your horse or sell it. You shouldn't have it with that attitude.
 
PR, you are very fond of calling people stupid. I wonder, would you do that if they were standing in front of you? QB is blatently not a stupid person. I think you are very, very rude.

Not fond of saying stuff like that, wish I didn't have to.

This like everything else is a training issue, nasty and violent have no place in training, neither does punishment.

I feel for a young horse, not someone contemplating being violent.

People may think I'm rude, I don't really care, but my horses know I'm not rude, nasty or violent towards them.
 
OP you need a new mentor before your youngster is ruined. A firm, no nonsense approach is miles away from planning a pasting.
There's nothing fluffy about being quiet, kind and fair. You only need to shout and slap when the horse doesn't understand or is frustrated over another issue. Owner/trainer problem, not horse's problem

Get the horse out with some others. Individual turnout should be banned for youngsters.


The trainer and YO do not seem like the kind of people to emulate.
 
I really do wonder if those with SUCH strongly worded and expert opinions actually have much experience with youngsters? And by experience I do mean more than just a couple!
 
starbar said:
I really can't be bothered to read all the replies but you shouldn't have a youngster. End of.
As for psyching yourself up for a fight/beating your horse. I am pretty appalled. I have youngsters and have had bolshy, big unhandled horss too and have never had to do this.
Get yourself some professional help with your horse or sell it. You shouldn't have it with that attitude.
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You know absolutely nothing about me or my horses, and I could respond further but would probably be banned

horserider said:
OP you need a new mentor before your youngster is ruined. A firm, no nonsense approach is miles away from planning a pasting.
There's nothing fluffy about being quiet, kind and fair. You only need to shout and slap when the horse doesn't understand or is frustrated over another issue. Owner/trainer problem, not horse's problem

Get the horse out with some others. Individual turnout should be banned for youngsters.


The trainer and YO do not seem like the kind of people to emulate.
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I am not planning a pasting... i did not go up to him tonight and beat the living crap out of him for no reason, in fact I did not touch him because he was well behaved and respectful. I do plan to react if he is naughty... my choice, he will know that the reaction is a response to bad behaviour because it will be timely and relative. You are welcome to come and shout/slap/wave at my horse if you want... I will video it and put it on youtube... do you really think I haven't done it? Yes its an owner problem, I have a horse thats being a tit, and yes its a horse problem, its his character to be this way at times. I am not trying to emulate anyone, I am not following anyones instructions. When I discussed this with my trainer, I already had come to the conclusion that I would probably have to actually hit him as he doesn't respond to anything else, growling or hitting with hand may help but when he decides to turn and hoof you its not safe... a crop/lunge whip does not have to be any
harsher, but it gives you distance for safety. My trainer merely reiterated what I was already thinking.


As I said he was much better yesterday and this morning, it could be that the electric fence incident was enough to shock the bejesus out of him and bring him down a few pegs, he was much more docile and respectful, we are continuing to walk with a rope through the mouth and a lunge whip in hand but he has done nothing wrong so it has not been used... did not even have to growl at him

right off to prep for interview
 
Good god Queenbee, you deserve a medal :D

I actually dont think you will be very good at the nasty and violent. Any normal person would not have had your patience and tolerance on this thread :p
 
Lol seems that everyone's got there *lets shoot QB down* hats on atm...

I think by the sounds of it you've all read a little too much into the whole "pasting", think QB feels it's like that but tbh all she means is probably a tug on the chifney (without cutting his tongue off or making his mouth bleed :eek:) and a bloody firm *GET UP* followed by - if he needs it a smack on the shoulder..

I can't see QB beating him up to the point of abuse (!!), tbh all youngsters try it on - you get the occasional lovely one who dosen't try it on .. but tbh you can either pussy foot around a naughty horse saying "no, no, stop that" and end up in hospital - like i did (bolshy youngster took off whilst being led to field, i ran to cut her off and had my hands up saying woah .. and bolshy youngster mowed me over, kicked me in the head, flipped me over backwards, knocked me out for 5 minutes and i was rushed to hospital in an ambulance - still cannot remember anything from that day or the day before/after).

all i did was put her in a chiffney (after reading how to use it and consulting my instructor) and gave her a tug, followed by a whack on the shoulder and a *GET UP NOW* and she is now (after about 6 months of leading her in and out of the field in a chiffney) is a lovely lovely mare - anyone can lead her in (children as well) and she's been out of the chiffney a year now.. (so far so good :D :D).

QB - Like others have warned, be careful and seek advice on proper use of the chiffney (i've heard some horrid stories of mis use of them) but don't pussy foot around him or you could end up injured --> it's really not worth it.. horses are big beasties and tbh i don't think MUCH you could do (in the way of whacking them on the shoulder/under the tummy) could hurt them.

:)
 
OP I'm with you. Although I don't agree with violence against any animal. Youngsters and other horses will try it on, to see what they can get away with. Personally I think a lot of posts on here are being totally unfair. I'm sure that if a horse they were riding was misbehaving they would give it a smack on the shoulder so I don't see how its any different on the ground. There is nothing worse than a dangerous horse, and he sounds dangerous. They know their strength and should not be frightened of you but respect you and your space. Good luck OP :)
 
SpottyTB said:
Lol seems that everyone's got there *lets shoot QB down* hats on atm...

I think by the sounds of it you've all read a little too much into the whole "pasting", think QB feels it's like that but tbh all she means is probably a tug on the chifney (without cutting his tongue off or making his mouth bleed :eek:) and a bloody firm *GET UP* followed by - if he needs it a smack on the shoulder..

I can't see QB beating him up to the point of abuse (!!), tbh all youngsters try it on - you get the occasional lovely one who dosen't try it on .. but tbh you can either pussy foot around a naughty horse saying "no, no, stop that" and end up in hospital - like i did (bolshy youngster took off whilst being led to field, i ran to cut her off and had my hands up saying woah .. and bolshy youngster mowed me over, kicked me in the head, flipped me over backwards, knocked me out for 5 minutes and i was rushed to hospital in an ambulance - still cannot remember anything from that day or the day before/after).

all i did was put her in a chiffney (after reading how to use it and consulting my instructor) and gave her a tug, followed by a whack on the shoulder and a *GET UP NOW* and she is now (after about 6 months of leading her in and out of the field in a chiffney) is a lovely lovely mare - anyone can lead her in (children as well) and she's been out of the chiffney a year now.. (so far so good :D :D).

QB - Like others have warned, be careful and seek advice on proper use of the chiffney (i've heard some horrid stories of mis use of them) but don't pussy foot around him or you could end up injured --> it's really not worth it.. horses are big beasties and tbh i don't think MUCH you could do (in the way of whacking them on the shoulder/under the tummy) could hurt them.

:)
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Thanks Spotty xx I am used to chiffneys... had to use one on him when he was a colt and waiting for gelding. Promise I wont break his jaw or anything :o also, since he is generally rugged, the whip wont even bleeding hurt him, although i dont think it would if he wasn't rugged! More the feel and the loud sound but if he gets very bad I will dope him, clip him and flog him raw:eek::eek::eek::p:p:rolleyes:
 
As my horse will confirm, and he is not a youngster, there is only one cure for naughty equines and that is work, work and more work! good for you for wanting to get a hold of him now. good luck.
 
For what it's worth, I have had many many youngsters, from birth to 6 or 7 year old.

I have had a few big beasties that have had a hiding from me. Well timed and quick. Not a prolonged attack, just a bloody hiding. The same way a dominant mare would do to an out of control herd member. They have then, by me, been sent into a corner on their own to realise the herd leader has kicked them out the herd. Gives them time to realise its not a safe place to be and a change of attitude is required.

None have been scarred for life, they are all well behaved, and just as well as they are all 16.2HH +. I can not have dangerous babies at that height and weight.


So I will now sit back and get ready for the pasting from you all....popcorn anyone?
 
Queenbee said:
Thanks Spotty xx I am used to chiffneys... had to use one on him when he was a colt and waiting for gelding. Promise I wont break his jaw or anything :o also, since he is generally rugged, the whip wont even bleeding hurt him, although i dont think it would if he wasn't rugged! More the feel and the loud sound but if he gets very bad I will dope him, clip him and flog him raw:eek::eek::eek::p:p:rolleyes:
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No probs QB, good to hear your familiar with them.. its my bible when Gem turns into a dangerous moron (luckily not anymore), i agree completely with them - if used by the right person but family don't agree with them at all.. so we have the whole chiffney vs not debate all the titme :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lol don't say that last sentence to loudly, people might actually believe you ;).. :cool:
 
Tbh none of my business what you do...but id like to see you correct my horses with a pasting lol...there would be one person pasted ...i have a youngster who has tried and tested boundaries but has quickly been reminded without any harm or force and shes a dream...i dont think this behaviour would have happened had you had continued reinforcement throughout, my oldest two can still test the boundaries but with the mare its better to ask and reinforce my status with moving her feet than pasting her because i know i would end up losing badly, i cant understand anyone who would think right now im going to get brutal i could understand someone maybe losing there temper in the heat of the moment but i cant see how you going in with a right your going to get it attitude will help at all...i hope we dont see a im in hospital now thread off you soon !!
 
My youngster became bolshy for a few weeks earlier this year, slowly pushing the boundaries as far as he could get away with. I didn't even realise he was doing it at first it was so gradual, until one day he barged past me when I was leading him in, took me totally by surprise, dragged the rope from my hand almost knocking me flying and beggered off up the field. So the next time I fetched him in I had I had my sj whip (short with 2 flaps of leather on the end so nice and 'slappy' sounding) tucked in the top of my boot - he started to pull a bit, then tried to push past me, so I grabbed my whip and gave him a belt on the chest. One decent, sharp slap, the second he started pushing me, and growled "Giiiiive Uuuuup!". He leapt backwards, stood stock still for a second looking at me all surprised, then came and stood at my side with his head lowered like he was saying "Christ! Sorry mum", and walked up to the yard with me like a little lamb. He's never done it again :)
(another one here who didn't read your OP as "I'm steeling myself for a full blown, unprovoked assault on my horse next time I see him" :) you know your boy well enough to know how much 'force' is needed, and when to use it. I'm an advocate of one decent, hard, well timed slap, over dozens of half-hearted tugs on leadropes or pokes at shoulders, any day. Horse will know when he has pushed you too far, and won't do it again)
Similar approach with mum's gelding, who would chew the stable doors if he was tied outside on the yard. We knew he was going to do it, so I hid in the stable next door to him armed with a couple of rubber o/r boots. I let him chew for a few seconds then popped up, lobbed the o/r boot at him and bobbed down again quickly. He jumped out of his skin as had no idea where the boot had come from! I waited another minute til he started to chew again, peeked over the door and pelted the other boot at his bum, then bobbed back down. Mum was watching across the yard and said his face was a picture - he caught on that it was "the stables" chucking boots at him if he chewed the door pretty quickly, and hasn't done it since :p :D
Best of luck with your young lad, and also for your interview :)
L x
 
QueenBee: did he live out with other horses whilst he was away for breaking? If he's now come home to live back in solitary confinment, he will be extremely unhappy.

To be honest, if he lives by himself I'm not in the slightest bit suprised he's turning into a problem. He's 3.5 yrs old and has not a single friend in the world :( Very sad. No wonder he's turning all his emotions and pent up frustration you! You've read what Roo is live WITH friends, I dread to think what he'd be like with no friends. A bulshy bulshy neurotic wreck I think.

Your intital post is very misleading and doesn't put you in a good light at all :eek: You specifically talk about getting into a fight (intentionally) and beating your horse! Thankfully most on here do know what you're normally like but it's not suprising it's been taken the wrong way. YOU said it, it's not even just been implied.

I'm all for giving a bulshy brat a sharp shock. You often don't even need to hit them: just yelling and running at them with arms waving is enough to make them think their world is about to end. HOWEVER, it's a short term, instant reaction that does not solve the long term, deeper rooted issue. It MUST be backed up by further, calmer ground work. That is maybe something you should get help with as, if it's got to this stage, it's obviously not worked properly.

And PLEASE give your 3yr old some friends. Turning him out with a couple of dominate mares (turning him out with something he'll just bully won't help in the slightest) will most likely sort the issues overnight.
 
He is not in solitary confinement he has horses on every side and grooms with 2 of them over the gate an hedge he also gets play time in the school with other horses. He didn't give a flying duck about being in 'solitary confinement' for the first god knows how long since moving there and he will be fine when worked. There is no way I'm moving him from the yard he is at its the best yard I've been at in every way in my opinion and I trust the people there with him if I'm away. I have good hacks for him, good facilities and a wonderful friendly yard where I am happy and for the most part he has been happy and relaxed and going really really well.
 
Also can't quote as on phone but no I didn't say I was going to pick a fight unprovoked I said he was going to be reprimanded, and I wouldn't pick a fight when the yard was busy, as I I wouldn't be handling him and putting myself in a situation where I may have to reprimand when people were there as it isn't safe! Perhaps that's clearer although why no one actually read the word 'reprimanded' in my original post but saw 'pick a fight' in flashy red neon is beyond me!
 
He still lives by himself. He cannot run about with other horses. He cannot get his ass kicked for being a cheeky brat (THE most valuable lesson a young horse learns). He can't even stand nose to tail, dozing. He has no friends.

His behaviour can be fixed with ground work and good handling but you're really built yourself a mountain to climb by having him by himself!

And you clearly said you were going to 'paste' him. Which, without actually going to look up the slang dictionary, means 'to pick a fight with and beat'. No bloody wonder people got the wrong end of the stick!
 
I feel like everyone has really ran away with what QueenBee is classing as a 'pasting'. I haven't read all the reply's but she clearly has stated that she isn't going to walk over to her horse and beat the s**t out of it; it's just going to get a few quick wacks after the crime is committed!

I for one have no issue with this and personally with my own horse I have always found a growl and a jab in the shoulder with my elbow has stopped the behaviour faster than trying to assert my control by getting him to move his feet. Now im not saying that keeping a horse busy after they have been naughty wont work, but all horses are different and none of you know apart (from the OP herself) whether this is just a naughty teenager, or malicious threatening behaviour that needs to be responded to in a way that would reflect how he would be reprimanded by a herd leader. Personally, I doubt any clobbering from a human could match a kicking session in the ribs by a pissed off boss in a herd.

Just my 2 cents, but hey what do I know anyway!
 
Totally agree with all those that have said about company.

I had issues with my lad and company when sent for starting so made the decision to keep him on his own at home.He seemed fine,for over two years he seemed fine,and I defended fiercely my decision to keep him alone on the basis he was not bothered.

I could not have been more wrong,and am happy to hold my hands up and say so.

Won't go into detail as would be here all day,but in his ridden work and general demeanour he has changed so much for the better since I got my second horse.Much more settled and just seems happier in his own skin.My other horse isn't even overly nice to him,bit of a bully TBH but clearly company of his own kind (even not very good company;)) is a lot more important to his well being and balance than i ever realised.

Chuck him out with some others,give it a couple of weeks and I bet you will have a horse with a totally different attitude.

Don't kid yourself with the 'he's been fine up to now' argument either.I swore my lad was fine for over two years,turns out he wasn't he just didn't know how to make it clear to me.

Not going to comment on your plan too much your horse your choice,but pick your battle wisely,you'll just have twice as much ground to make up if you lose.
I would not be paying any trainer whose only advice was to resort to a 'pasting' have to say,any idiot can come up with that.Shouldn't the best trainer in the area have a few more ideas and methods than that??

Good luck with your lad,if you get it right now you'll have a biddable and trusting partner for life:)
 
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Is there a reason he can't go out with others. Grooming over a hedge is not sufficient interaction, and doing it over a gate OS dangerous. But it's not just the grooming aspect. It's the physical interaction that so important for all horses, but particularly young ones.
 
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