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WHAT A GREAT B LICENCE TOWING SET UP IDEA (for those without B+E) WITH ONE HORSE

DUSTER ESTATE 1.5 dCi 110 Ambiance 5dr 4X4 = https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/car-leasing/dacia/duster-estate/66246/
Gross vehicle weight 1875 kg
Max towing weight - braked 1500 kg
Unladen weight 1325 kg

IFOR WILLIAMS HB403 TRAILER = http://www.iwt.co.uk/products/horsebox/hb403/?tab=spec#tab
MAM (GVW) 1600
EMPTY 767

Total MAM/GVW = 1875+1600=3475 so under the max 3500 for B towing

MAX LOAD FOR TRAILER = 733 because of the 1500 tow capacity of the DUSTER
 
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ROG said:
WHAT A GREAT B LICENCE TOWING SET UP IDEA (for those without B+E) WITH ONE HORSE

DUSTER ESTATE 1.5 dCi 110 Ambiance 5dr 4X4 = https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/car-leasing/dacia/duster-estate/66246/
Gross vehicle weight 1875 kg
Max towing weight - braked 1500 kg
Unladen weight 1325 kg

IFOR WILLIAMS HB403 TRAILER = http://www.iwt.co.uk/products/horsebox/hb403/?tab=spec#tab
MAM (GVW) 1600
EMPTY 767

Total MAM/GVW = 1875+1600=3475 so under the max 3500 for B towing

MAX LOAD FOR TRAILER = 733 because of the 1500 tow capacity of the DUSTER
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I'm loving this Duster more and more!!

Just wondering, alongside the 4x4 there is a 4x2 Duster model, would that also be acceptable?
 
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Can I legally tow an empty iFor Williams Box trailer which is plated for 3500kg capacity with my Honda CRV which is legally allowed to tow 1500KG?

The trailer is empty and weighs 1000KG

My understanding is that as long as I do not exceed the MAM or GROSS TRAIN WEIGHT in old money is that I'm well within the law.

This caused quite a debate in our local this eve, with many saying it's an illegal combo which I find hard to fathom.

Driving licence held since 1970

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Can I legally tow an empty iFor Williams Box trailer which is plated for 3500kg capacity with my Honda CRV which is legally allowed to tow 1500KG?

The trailer is empty and weighs 1000KG

My understanding is that as long as I do not exceed the MAM or GROSS TRAIN WEIGHT in old money is that I'm well within the law.

This caused quite a debate in our local this eve, with many saying it's an illegal combo which I find hard to fathom.

Driving licence held since 1970

Thanks
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You have a B+E licence = ok
The max actual weight your vehicle can tow is 1500
The actual weight of the trailer is 1000
That means you can load a max of 500 into the trailer and be legal

What the trailer is plated at has no bearing on this with a B+E licence as long as with a 500 load it is plated at 1500+

There is no law or rule which states that the max plated MAM of a trailer cannot exceed the max towing capacity of a vehicle or the max plated GTW - plenty of internet myths though !
£1000.00 to the first person who can find such a law or rule = seriously

The best myth is the one where a person says that it has the capacity to exceed the max tow limit ..... well, my car has the capacity to do 70 in a 30 limit but I never seem to get done for that when doing 30mph ...... LOL
 
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You have a B+E licence = ok
The max actual weight your vehicle can tow is 1500
The actual weight of the trailer is 1000
That means you can load a max of 500 into the trailer and be legal

What the trailer is plated at has no bearing on this with a B+E licence as long as with a 500 load it is plated at 1500+

There is no law or rule which states that the max plated MAM of a trailer cannot exceed the max towing capacity of a vehicle or the max plated GTW - plenty of internet myths though !
£1000.00 to the first person who can find such a law or rule = seriously

The best myth is the one where a person says that it has the capacity to exceed the max tow limit ..... well, my car has the capacity to do 70 in a 30 limit but I never seem to get done for that when doing 30mph ...... LOL
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Thanks for the reply ROG, I emailed DVSA for clarification and their response was as clear as mud to me, see what you think:

Good Morning,

Thank you for your email enquiry dated 11th January 2017, concerning towing regulations.

Please find attached a link to towing regulation on the GOV.UK website. Your vehicle will have a manufacture plate showing the DTW which is the maximum combination of vehicle plus trailer. It is not the weight of the load it is the total capacity of the trailer that will need to be considered.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car


For driving licence details you will need to contact the DVLA drivers section on the following number 0300 790 6801.

I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Kind Regards,

Elizabeth O'Connell
Customer Service Centre Agent
Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency | The Ellipse, Padley Road, Swansea, SA1 8AN
Phone: 0300 123 9000 |
 
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I'm not following, she was from DVSA?
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Could be each of them is going to pass the buck to the other as it can be a licence/weight issue

I have had this before many times so my solution is always to email my MP who in turn get a definitive reply from the DfT
DVSA & DVLA are both under the DfT
 
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Hello Rog

Thoughts please.

Honda crv 2.2 diesel max tow 2000

So do I go with

Bateson Ascot unladen 925 can take over 16.2 horses BUT I will add I am only taking one horse 16hh 500kg.

or do I go with the
Ifor HB505 up to 16.2 in height but trailer it a bit lighter in weight at 905 kgs.

Many thanks
 
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Sags_Deer said:
Hello Rog

Thoughts please.

Honda crv 2.2 diesel max tow 2000

So do I go with

Bateson Ascot unladen 925 can take over 16.2 horses BUT I will add I am only taking one horse 16hh 500kg.

or do I go with the
Ifor HB505 up to 16.2 in height but trailer it a bit lighter in weight at 905 kgs.

Many thanks
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Cannot help as my knowledge is on licences and towing weight laws
 
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I'm confused now if I can legally tow. I have a Freelander which has a MAM of 2050kg and a max tow weight of 2000kg.

My trailer has a MAM of 1400kg and unladen it is 590kg.

However the axle weights of the Freelander are max rear axle load:1120kg and a max front axle 1050kg. Are these added up together? I'm back to being very confused again :-(/
 
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I'm confused now if I can legally tow. I have a Freelander which has a MAM of 2050kg and a max tow weight of 2000kg.

My trailer has a MAM of 1400kg and unladen it is 590kg.

However the axle weights of the Freelander are max rear axle load:1120kg and a max front axle 1050kg. Are these added up together? I'm back to being very confused again :-(/
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The axle weights will always total more than the GVW so as to allow for some flexibility for the placement of the load

Axle weights do not come into driver licencing rules

If you have a B licence then your set up is legal
GVW 2050 + trailer MAM 1400 = 3450 total so under the B licence max of 3500
Your trailer is 590 empty so allows for a trailer load of 810

590 is a very light trailer !! - what trailer is it ?


If you check the weight plate on the trailer you will find the two axle weights will also add up to more than the MAM
On a down plated trailer the axle weights will total much more than the MAM
 
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Please can you tell me if this setup is legal?

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1530 (Minimum Kerbweight)
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2105
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - 1395 (Ifor 401 downplated)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 770kg
 
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Please can you tell me if this setup is legal?

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1530 (Minimum Kerbweight)
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2105
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - 1395 (Ifor 401 downplated)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 770kg
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LEGAL
2105+1395=3500 so right on the B licence limit

Max load for trailer = 625
 
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Hi ROG,
Please could I check with you that I've done my calculations correctly for towing WITHOUT a B+E Licence?

Kia Sportage KX-3 gross weight 2140kg
403 Ifor Williams trailer - down plated from 1600kg to 1360kg
Horse weight therefore MAX 593kg (as unladen weight of trailer 767kg)

I just want to ensure I've got this all correct as there is so much confusing information out there.

Thanks!
 
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reenae said:
Hi ROG,
Please could I check with you that I've done my calculations correctly for towing WITHOUT a B+E Licence?

Kia Sportage KX-3 gross weight 2140kg
403 Ifor Williams trailer - down plated from 1600kg to 1360kg
Horse weight therefore MAX 593kg (as unladen weight of trailer 767kg)

I just want to ensure I've got this all correct as there is so much confusing information out there.

Thanks!
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PERFECT for B towing
 
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chestnuttyy said:
Please can you tell me if this setup is legal?

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1530 (Minimum Kerbweight)
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2105
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - 1395 (Ifor 401 downplated)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 770kg
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Hi Rog,

Got my weights slightly out, should actually be...

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1450
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2035
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - 1420 (Ifor 401 downplated)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 770kg

Horse is circa 550KG

All ok?!
 
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chestnuttyy said:
Hi Rog,

Got my wieght slightly out, should actually be...

1 - What licence they hold - B
2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle - 1450
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle - 2035
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle - 2000
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres - 1420 (Ifor 401 downplated)
6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer - 770kg

Horse is circa 550KG
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B licence so legal max total GVW/MAM = 3500

GVW 2035 + MAM 1420 = 3455

LEGAL for B towing

Max trailer load = 1420-770=650
 
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